Sheila, What is the easiest way to access this site? Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Miriam Pollak Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:16 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re finding GGGrandmothers' Maiden name Dear Sheila, Did a quick search of a free BirthsMarriages&Death site. They have a marriage of a William George Morton taking place in the 4th Quarter of 1845 at Shoreditch, vol 2, page 420. There are a number of choices for the partner (as that entry contains about 5 couples). However, I would plump for Sophia CUFFLEY as Sophia is close to Salome (which may have been a familar name, rather than the name she was given at birth). I hope that this helps. Miriam Pollak Cambridge

We have decided to have a mini-theme for the next edition of B-J News (Tu B'Av). We already have two short pieces around the theme of engagements, betrothals and marriages. If anyone would like to submit anything on this theme (or any other) please send to jewish@slanda.fsnet.co.uk The issue will not be devoted entirely to the theme, so if you have something else feel free to submit it. Previous submissions include, jokes, announcements, book reviews, Internet site recommendations, research stories, successes, failures, brick walls, how to... or almost anything. Submission deadline was published as 27th July, but I am moving that weekend, so I am asking if people can submit by 20th if possible, or email me and let me know and I will try to "fix something" to make sure everyone is happy! Best Sherry

Hi Sheila, a well known commercial site (not the big A one) has the regimental BDM lists. I found some of my missing ones there (born Malta and South Africa), though I didn't end up needing to get the certificates. It might be worth trying a look up for the marriage there, as you suggest the groom William George MORTON was in the British forces (as he was 'stationed' there). The certificate should give - as a minimum - the brides surname! Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

We have been searching for ages for our GGGranmothers Maiden name. As someone already asked you a similar question and the answer was to order a childs Birth Certificate, but the child was born in Gibraltar and we haven't been able to find necessary numbers to order Cert. My GGG's name was SALOME and left several cyrilic language books when she died. We wondered if she had been born Jewish, she spoke German at home. She married ( not sure where) her husband, WILLIAM GEORGE MORTON was stationed in Gibraltar in the Army and their daughter ELIZA was born there in 1848. They went back to the UK and SALOME died in Briton Ferry and was buried in NEATH Glamorganshire, in 1851. Forgive me if this is a too awkward request but we have to try everything, don't we? With Thanks from Sheila Dixon in New South Wales Australia.

Please tell us why you think Salome was Jewish. Cyrillic is Russian and could have been used by anyone living in Russia. Also, there were German farming settlements in Russia where they still spoke German. These settlements were not Jewish. Jackye Sullins < My GGG's name was SALOME and left several cyrilic language books when she died. We < wondered if she had been born Jewish, she spoke German at home. < Sheila Dixon in New South Wales Australia.

I took a quick look through the GRO army births indices on the FMP site and could find nothing about Eliza MORTON born 1848 Gibraltar. I also looked for a marriage of William George MORTON in the GRO army records but didn't find one. Sorry Ann Macey

Are you saying that you are looking for the maiden name of Salome, mother of Eliza MORTON, born abt 1848, in Gibraltar? If so, Eliza's birth certificate should give that information. The birth certificate will be registered under the appendices to the GRO Index. Beyond the England and Wales returns there are other returns for things like consular and army events. If William MORTON was in the British army at the time of Eliza's birth he would have had to have registered the birth with the army. Try somewhere that holds the normal GRO Index on film/fiche. Certificates must be ordered centrally from ONS in Southport, as there are no locally held copies of entries. The other thing to try is William's army records which should be available from The National Archives at Kew. It should state the date and place of marriage and the births of any children... best, Sherry On 17/04/2008, Sheila Dixon <sdi39142@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > We have been searching for ages for our GGGranmothers Maiden name. As someone already asked you a similar question and the answer was to order a childs Birth Certificate, but the child was born in Gibraltar and we haven't been able to find necessary numbers to order Cert. My GGG's name was SALOME and left several cyrilic language books when she died. We wondered if she had been born Jewish, she spoke German at home. She married ( not sure where) her husband, WILLIAM GEORGE MORTON was stationed in Gibraltar in the Army and their daughter ELIZA was born there in 1848. They went back to the UK and SALOME died in Briton Ferry and was buried in NEATH Glamorganshire, in 1851. Forgive me if this is a too awkward request but we have to try everything, don't we? With Thanks from Sheila Dixon in New South Wales Australia. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>She married ( not sure where) her husband, WILLIAM GEORGE MORTON was stationed in Gibraltar in the Army and their daughter ELIZA was born there in 1848.....< Do you know anything about William George Morton's military career? That might disclose where he was posted prior to Gibraltar and where he might have married Salome. Salome appears to have been a very popular name in the UK in the 1840's but I have never previously come across it in Jewish records Angela

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Seeking inspiration in my search for Charlesand Elizabeth LEWIS > Dear Genners, with all these LEWIS names floating around, I wonder if > anyone has a record of a Lazarus LEWIS alias Lewis LAZARUS alias Lewis > ABRAHAMS twin brother of David ABRAHAMS. His sister Fanny ABRAHAMS married > a BARNETTt of Barnetts in the Lane, which was either a famous meat or fish > business. He died in about 1940 at Nightingale house having returned from > an abortive time in s. Africa where he lost all his money. He had a wife > and child but 1 believe the baby died young and very tragicaly. He was > probably born in about 1860s. in London. He was known to our family as > Uncle Lewis or Louis. I dont know if he was a real uncle. > > Best wishes, Louise in London. >

Hi Steve, You don't say if you have your grandfather Lewis's birth certificate? That would give you his mother's maiden name. That in turn would tell you if the Isaac LEWIS/Betsey EMANUEL marriage in 1875 is the correct one and would enable you go backwards with more confidence. In any case it can sometimes be easier to find a "missing" marriage if you have two surnames to search on, rather than just the one. Regards Elly On 15/04/2008, Steve Lewis <slewis@slewis.co.uk> wrote: > My great grandfather was Lewis Lewis and in the 1881 census he was 2 > years old living with his parents Charles and Elizabeth at 141 East Rd, > Shoreditch, London. That tallies with what I've been told by one of his > nieces - that he was born on 1 May 1879. > > I need to find his marriage to > Elizabeth between 1871 and 1877 when his oldest child Amelia is born. > Of course, there's no record of marriage in East London between a > Charles Lewis and an Elizabeth between 1871 and 1877, so here's where my > challenge really starts ...

Angie, I don't think the sending of long gen reports on specific individuals is of general interest. I can't do it and then moan at other people for doing it! Gen reports are definitely an off-list item. If the recipient then wants to paraphrase and let the list know what other names they found from it i.e. "re COHEN I now know that other families involved were LEVY, SMITH and BLOGGS if anyone thinks they have a connection feel free to email me" that's fine for the whole list. So, will you paraphrase for the list? Love Sherry On 15/04/2008, Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> wrote: On the one hand I agree that it might be boring for other people, on the other hand, seeing surnames of people connected to that family might help someone find a link for their family

Hello Geneva, from frosty Viersat, France! Welcome to the list. Yes, you are exactly right, one of the main purposes of the list is to share such information and see if we can get a solution between us. I think you have enough to make what you have told us reasonable as a hypothesis. I understand your need to verify a bit more though. I have a couple of questions: Do you have a) the marriage authorisation and b) the burial of Isaac LEWIS (AKA Charles)? The former would give the patronymic. The gravestone, assuming there is one, would confirm the same. The birth place York...is that the city or the county? If you have been using the LDS index of 1881 they have a nasty habit of mixing counties up with cities. At one time, almost a quarter of the population lived in Yorkshire! Also: Elizabeth's mother is Amelia and you say Charles' eldest daughter was also named this. I would check forward for Barnet & Amelia and try to establish if she died before the birth of Amelia (d/o Charles) HTH, let us know how you get on, because I am sure most people would be interested. Best Sherry On 15/04/2008, Steve Lewis <slewis@slewis.co.uk> wrote: > Hello from snowy Geneva, Switzerland. >

I will be happy to do so as soon as we have gotten over Pessach ...... Happy Pessach to one and all Angie Israel --- Sherry in France <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Angie, > > I don't think the sending of long gen reports on > specific individuals > is of general interest. I can't do it and then moan > at other people > for doing it! > > Gen reports are definitely an off-list item. If the > recipient then > wants to paraphrase and let the list know what other > names they found > from it i.e. "re COHEN I now know that other > families involved were > LEVY, SMITH and BLOGGS if anyone thinks they have a > connection feel > free to email me" that's fine for the whole list. > > So, will you paraphrase for the list? > > Love > Sherry > > On 15/04/2008, Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> > wrote: > On the one hand I agree that it might be boring for > other people, on the other > hand, seeing surnames of people connected to that > family might help > someone find a link for their family > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas > to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to > use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Hello from snowy Geneva, Switzerland. I'm a newbie here, so I hope it's appropriate for me to share here my challenge with my research on my great grandfather's parents. To explain the problem (and to help me walk it through in my own mind), I've summarised here what I know. My great grandfather was Lewis Lewis and in the 1881 census he was 2 years old living with his parents Charles and Elizabeth at 141 East Rd, Shoreditch, London. That tallies with what I've been told by one of his nieces - that he was born on 1 May 1879. My father once told me that his grandfather had brothers called Moss and Mark and a sister Amelia, so again, I'm fairly confident that's him together with other siblings Barnet, Abraham, and Joseph. His father is Charles, a fruiterer aged 36, born in York. He also appears in the 1891 census (as Louis), and again in the 1901 census, where his father, Charles, seems to have suffered some amnesia and was now born in London. Depending on the year, Elizabeth's age is 6-8 years less than Charles'. In the 1871 census, the only Charles Lewis from York of the right age is a "Traveller in Pictures" lodging at 8 Mount Street, Whitechapel. So if this is the right Charles Lewis, I need to find his marriage to Elizabeth between 1871 and 1877 when his oldest child Amelia is born. Of course, there's no record of marriage in East London between a Charles Lewis and an Elizabeth between 1871 and 1877, so here's where my challenge really starts ... My hypothesis: I know that Lewis Lewis also had a son called Charlie. I know that Charlie's real name was Isaac, so is it possible that Charlie was named after his grandfather Charles, and similarly his his grandfather was really called Isaac? Searching for a marriage between an Isaac Lewis and an Elizabeth between 1871 and 1877 in East London gives a possible candidate: Isaac Lewis marries Betsey Emanuel in mid-1875 in the City of London. The marriage certificate reveals that they were married at the Great Synagogue on 18 Aug 1875. Isaac is a Traveller (match 1: for "Traveller in Pictures") and his father is Levy Lewis a Commission Agent. His and Betsey's address at the time of marriage is the same (perhaps they are already living together, or boarding with his in-laws?) Betsey's father Barnet Emanuel is a fruiterer (match 2: Charles' entrée to the trade, perhaps). Betsey is now only 4 years younger than Isaac (can I count that as match 3: is it really so suprising that unlike him, she got "younger" with age). You can probably see that I feel like I'm clutching somewhat at straws - can anyone reading this see any way that I could verify my hypothesis? If I'm on the right track, I seem to be home and dry with Barnet. 6 years earlier in the 1881 census, he and daughter Betsey (Elizabeth in the census) are living at 18 King St. Elizabeth's mother is Amelia (match 4 for Charles' oldest daughter). 10 years before that, in 1871 (when Barnet[t] is an orange merchant) and in 1861 (when Barnet is an orange dealer), they are living at 9 King St. However, having stetched credibility as far as I feel I can to find Charles's marriage, I've now hit a dead end with Levy Lewis - no trace of him or Isaac/Charles' birth in Yorkshire in around 1844. A family rumour says that the name Lewis was derived from Levy because Lewis was a better name for trading. I can imagine that Charles Lewis was a better trading name for a Traveller in Pictures than Isaac Levy. But my searches on Isaac or Charles Levy have proven no more fruitful. So if anyone reading this can offer me some inspiration, I'd be very grateful for any suggestions on where to look next and whether, in your collective experience, I have already looked too far in my search for a solution. Steve Lewis

Yes, Angie, there were, I have sent a list privately to avoid boring everyone/clogging the list. If anyone else has an interest in this family, mail me and I will forward my mail to Angie, to you. Best Sherry On 14/04/2008, Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > Im trying to find out information about Israel Levinson and his daughter Fanny Levinson who married Barnet Neviasky in 1888. Did Israel have more children that survived - what were their names?

Sherry - thanks for the info. On the one hand I agree that it might be boring for other people, on the other hand, seeing surnames of people connected to that family might help someone find a link for their family ......... Have a good day. Regards Angie > Yes, Angie, there were, I have sent a list privately > to avoid boring > everyone/clogging the list. Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Dear community, Would a British passport used to travel to the U.S.A. in 1901 have had a photograph of the identified person? Would it be possible to access the passport information and photograph now? Would it be difficult or prohibitively expensive? Thank you for your kind erudite help! Richard May < ferdlilac@yahoo.com > Buffalo, New York, U.S.A.

Dear community, Would a British passport used to travel to the U.S.A. in 1901 have had a photograph of the identified person? Would it be possible to access the passport information and photograph now? Would it be difficult or prohibitively expensive? Thank you for your kind erudite help! Richard May < ferdlilac@yahoo.com > Buffalo, New York, U.S.A.

Just running a test, please DO NOT reply. Thanks Sherry

Hi, Im trying to find out information about Israel Levinson and his daughter Fanny Levinson who married Barnet Neviasky in 1888. Did Israel have more children that survived - what were their names? Thanks in advance. Regards Angie Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ