I wonder if anyone on this list is familiar with the working of the Jewish Board of Deputies. The deputy for Exeter in the 1850's was a man named Joseph Lazarus who lived in London and who, according to census records, had been born in London. He married an Exeter woman, Caroline Davis. My question is, would marriage to an Exeter woman be enough to qualify him to be chosen as a deputy for Exeter ? Who would chose the deputy ? Was it more likely for a deputy from the represented city to be chosen, or someone who lived in London ? There was a Lazarus family in Exeter who were active members of the Exeter congregation and two men of that family turn up in Joseph's house in one census, but as visitors rather than relations. I'm trying to get handle on whether or not Joseph is likely to have more ties to Exeter than just his marriage (which connection could, perhaps, account for the Exeter men to be visiting him while in London.) Eve wishing it would rain in Toronto or clear up

For the benefit of listers, Moses Louis (Lewis) Pyke's father, Lewis Eleazer Pyke, died in London. The Sydney Morning Herald, Wed., Apr. 2, 1851, p. 4, published the following: PYKE DEATH At his residence, Leadenhall-street, London, Mr. L.E. Pyke, Deputy Reader of the Great Synagogue, aged 75 years. The deceased held important offices in this Synagogue over a period of thirty-five years; died regretted by a numerous circle of relatives and friends, and his remains were followed to his last resting place by a large number of the leading and influential members of the Jewish faith. I have some other references to Australian descendants, if anyone is interested. Best wishes. Terry Newman Sydney, Australia

Many thanks Keira for the Australian Crawcour data. My 5th cousin removed Patrick Coppel in Melbourne produced a major data base on the Crawcour lines which contains data world wide. In addition Pat wrote the Crawcour history for the AHJS November 2007 edition. Pat and I hold major collections of GRO; wills/portraits/photos/family trees etc on the lines. There is also a dated ( 2005) website on the lines including Hart/Solomon/Phillips data- my lines include Salaman/Courlander and numerous others. I keep promising to write about my Hart and Jacobs lines ( numbers of who settled in Australia) but have yet to do so- I like the research more than the writing! Thanks to everyone for their help. Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

Many thanks to Terry for sending me more data on the Pyke lines. My Hart and Pyke line connections include: Bernard Hart m Rachel Pyke 1889 Woollahara NSW Their children: Esther R V Hart b 1890 Annie 1891-92 Aaron H C b1893 Bathurst Doris A b 1896 Paddington NSW Rachel Hart nee Pyke d 1944 Rookwood. I have no record of the family post the above dates and would welcome any other information. Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

Dear David and Angela The data I have on the Pyke lines is reasonably detailed but as I previously said I did not do the research. The lines connect to many families including Alexander/Barnett/Abrahams/Benjamin. I have asked Chris Pyke who is descended from the original Moses line to look at the BJ messages and respond when he has time. My chief interest is in the Bernard Hart/Rachel Pyke line and I know of the children who were born to Bernard and Rachel and also the deaths of Rachel and Bernard. I need to buy the Australian records and will do so. My distant cousin Dave Simpson ( of the Jacobs cousins) did an excellent job putting the Pyke data into different versions but given the data is from Chris Pyke it is for him to give permission for wider access. The Hyamson family tree shows Moses Pyke d 1792 m Elsa d 1790 or 94 and the children from the marriage plus their lines- there is separate data on Joseph Pyke and Sarah Magnus and their children. My thanks for your responses. Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

My thanks to Terry and Debbie for their help in tracing the Moses Pyke and Esther Hart lines in Australia. I do have data on the various lines in Australia but the research is not my own. Any further data would be very welcome. From other research I know that numbers of my other Hart/Crawcour/Cantor/Goldsmid lines settled in Australia with several families in Melbourne and the Victoria area. Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

I have been helping Phil trace the Pyke and Hart family and I have found Lewis Pyke on the Census in 1841, his death, his wife on the 1851 census but I can not find Moses on the 1841 or 1851 English Census or his marriage. According to Esther Pyke's death certificate she married aged 29 in London, which would be about the 1852 mark. We traced their immigration, they travelled to Australia on the Salem in March 1854, with daughter Charlotte age 1. I can not find Charlotte's English birth certificate or an Australian one (in case she was born on the ship). We would love to find the Index for the marriage in England, can anyone help with that or Charlottes birth index. I did find a Morris J Pyke on the 1851 census in Leeds as a Fancy Goods Seller but don't think that was him. Thanks Debbie Bozkurt (Outer Hebrides) On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 5:47 AM, Terry Newman <tnewman@wix.com.au> wrote: > For the benefit of listers, Moses Louis (Lewis) Pyke's father, Lewis Eleazer > Pyke, died in London.

Dear Phillip, Is this Eleaser's father? London Gazette 11473 for 1774 Moses Pyke , Pencil man, Fireball Court previously Gravel Lane. There is also a Susannah Pyke the paramour of Isaac Cohen recorded in the Old Bailey records for 1762. sincerely David Alexander Puycelsi France Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] MOSES PYKE AND ESTHER HART ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

Do you have the following burial (from the Susser Great Synagogue transcripts) of Lewis Eleazer and Moses Louis ancestors? The continuity of names is very evident. GSBUR 359/2718 1817 [19 Feb] PYKE Eleazar [Lezer b. Moses SHNOOK] Nº 10 Goodmans Stile; Parish of St Mary Whitechapel I have other records - which you probably already have - but am happy to send off list. Angela

Phillip I'm sure you are aware that Woolf Lewis Pyke settled in Sydney around the 1840's. Many descendants are in Sydney and other places of Australia. Terry Newman Sydney, Australia

Hear hear, Jeremy! Jill <If we can help our poor, overloaded administrator in this one simple way, life will be truly idyllic for her.>

Need some help. I am doings some research for an article about Jewish settler families with a Daylesford, Victoria, connection. Found a David Moses DAVIS from Poland who in 1866 married an Isabella Fanny EMANUEL born in Sydney in 1843, daughter of Abraham and Elizabeth EMANUEL, who may have come from England. David and Isabella's son Abraham Moses DAVIS was born in Daylesford in 1869. The Davis family went from Daylesford to Melbourne and then Abraham turns up back in Daylesford for he married a Jocelyn Hilda SOLOMON in Daylesford in 1904. She most likely was born in Ballarat. (There was a Maurice Henry SOLOMON and wife Theresa MOSES who may or may not have been her parents for they were in Ballarat at that time.) If any of this means anything to anyone please contact me off line. Keira Lockyer in sunny Daylesford-Hepburn Springs where we are celebrating the Swiss Italian heritage of the region.

Dear M. Koss, I apologise for not knowing your gender, but in response to your recent posting which consisted of 28 exclamation marks (did you really mean exclamation marks instead of question-marks?) and the complete posting from Sherry regarding snipping, I believe our over-worked and under-paid administrator is getting slightly hot under the collar at having to cut out all the extraneous parts of previous postings that people repeat underneath their own posting. If I am reading her mind correctly (and it's certainly difficult from 6,000 miles away) I think she would like BJ'rs to reproduce only the salient sentence rather than hitting the return button and include the whole of the previous posting, This may even include the previous poster's ISP's advertisement. Grrrrr! I think I am reading this right and Sherry isn't referring to sniping which I am very glad to see is something we all avoid like the plague on this discussion group; many of you go well beyond the cause of duty to assist your fellow genealogists. If we can help our poor, overloaded administrator in this one simple way, life will be truly idyllic for her. Thanks, -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Dear Listers For any researchers who have Pyke and Hart lines I have data on the family of Moses Louis Pyke 1808-1894 ( parents Lewis Eleazer Pyke and Charlotte Wolff) who married Esther Hart 1821-1881( parents John Hart - jeweller- his first name may have been Henry and mother Clara maiden name unknown). I also have copies of Pyke family trees from the Hyamson collection and data on the Pyke lines from Chris Pyke. Esther Pyke died 1881 Melbourne. The children of Moses and Esther were:Charlotte/Clara/Louis/Matilda/Marian/Angel/Rachel. The family arrived in Melbourne in 1854 with only one child Charlotte age 1. Rachel Pyke age 15 in 1881 married Bernard Hart son of Aaron Hart and Rebecca Hart nee Crawcour my 3x great grandparents. My thanks to my distant cousin Debbie ( of the Jacobs cousins) for her help tracing the Moses/Esther lines. Any researchers who are interested in the families are welcome to contact me. Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

May I refer listers, at this point, to the fact that Jeremy wrote an article for B-J News 11 (page 5) explaining how to use Excel for genealogy. It seems logical that if people are interested in this aspect of "storage" they should use what has already been written. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/BJ%20News/B-J%20News.htm Hopefully this will answer everybody's questions (and if it doesn't then they can either email Jeremy off-list or websearch for self-help articles/classes on how to use certain software). Best Sherry

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Sherry in France <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com <British-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 3:32 pm Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN Snipping People, start snipping, please. I am really fed up with asking and asking and asking you to snip back the original parts of a post on your replies. I am going to start rejecting emails, which means putting EVERYONE on moderation. It will mean my stress levels will go up, my workload will go up and you risk not seeing posts for days whilst I attend to them and then allow then through, or bat them back to you. There are only so many times I can ask you to do something, before I snap and tonight I am close to snapping, so please sort yourselves out or I will have to do it for you. For newbies who don't understand the above rant and wonder what they have joined, email me privately if you want support, because it is not my intention to put people off posting. I just need people to obey the few rules we have. I look forward to seeing some suitably trimmed posts. Sherry (Duty Admin) Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again to those who have responded to my question about editing cells. I confess that at this point I am not using a spreadsheet for genealogy but for plotting a novel I'm writing. However, I did start a spreadsheet - as yet unfinished - to plot the where- and when- abouts globally of peripatetic families in my ancestry. Jeremy, I'm curious to know how you use a spreadsheet for Jewish Chronicle entries. I've found a great many of those doing searches and one day will have to subscribe and download them, but I thought I'd just enter the data straight into my genealogical program (if I ever figure out how to use the current version). (When I find a rich husband {preferably not someone else's} I will order all the bmd certificates and use a spreadsheet for them. At that point I should also be able to retire and split my time between writing and genealogy.) Eve

Dear Eve I find it is easiest to click twice in the cell. That lets me edit. Maybe it would work for you. Theresa Birmingham UK ____________________________________ Protect Kids Online - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/protection

Dear Eve, Coming third around the curve, I concur with Kathy. I always edit using the text box in what is called the Formula Bar. This is one of the two or three menu bars at the top of your screen. I hope you do get used to using it because it can be a powerful tool for organizing and sorting your data. As I have written before, I use it to organize and index the 500 plus Jewish Chronicle announcements in my various families. I also use Excel to catalog all my BMD certificates, one spreadsheet for each event. Good luck. -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

People, start snipping, please. I am really fed up with asking and asking and asking you to snip back the original parts of a post on your replies. I am going to start rejecting emails, which means putting EVERYONE on moderation. It will mean my stress levels will go up, my workload will go up and you risk not seeing posts for days whilst I attend to them and then allow then through, or bat them back to you. There are only so many times I can ask you to do something, before I snap and tonight I am close to snapping, so please sort yourselves out or I will have to do it for you. For newbies who don't understand the above rant and wonder what they have joined, email me privately if you want support, because it is not my intention to put people off posting. I just need people to obey the few rules we have. I look forward to seeing some suitably trimmed posts. Sherry (Duty Admin)