Hi John, Welcome. I think we need just a bit more than this. You say you have signficant details on the LEWIS family, so presumably you want to explore some of the other lines? We would need to know what you already have, and what you feel you want next so that we can tell you the sort of things you might be able to do when you come to London. Best wishes, Sherry On 08/05/2008, John Meyers <meyersje@bigpond.net.au> wrote: DORN from Jersey about 1860.Have significant details on LEWIS family. Solomon LEWIS whose daughter Matilda, born 1838 was my GGM. Have birth certificate and census records for LEWIS family. In London for 2 weeks in August to find more details.

Hi Steve, I like your logic, but remember for births they can be registered quite a while after the event. Not the same for marriages which are always registered in the quarter they occured (except really rarely if a marriage took place in the last few days of the quarter) or deaths, where you have 5 days and can't bury without the certificate, so have to be quick! So, sometimes you have to look a quarter or two later than the even for the birth registration... Hope you have picked the right certificate...could be an expensive quest, if you have to order too many! Sherry On 08/05/2008, Steve Lewis <slewis@slewis.co.uk> wrote: > > I think (based on the census being in April), that Charles/Isaac would have > to be have been born between April 1844 and March 1845 which would rule out > a couple of the ones you listed.

Hi Louise I don't think there's any connection - there are no Greens (apart from one who I think changed his name from Talochki) and no Levy Greens that I'm aware of in my family. Steve On 08/05/2008, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Dear Steve, I have an Amelia Levy Green daughter of amelia Levy Green and > Ephraim Levy Green in my family tree. Is there any connection? With best > wishes, Louise----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lewis" < > slewis@slewis.co.uk> >

Thanks Sherry I think (based on the census being in April), that Charles/Isaac would have to be have been born between April 1844 and March 1845 which would rule out a couple of the ones you listed. But the two in Mar 1845 in Whitechapel seem like good candidates - marginally more likely, I think, than the Marylebone one from Dec 1844. So, on spec, I've ordered the birth certificate for the most likely one. I'm just not sure how I'm going to know if it's the one for the Isaac LEVY who later changed his name to LEWIS, since I don't have anything from his later life that gives any indication of his parent's names other than the names of his children (see my last post). Steve On 07/05/2008, Sherry with Sky <SherryELanda@sky.com> wrote: > > Hi Steve, > You could go for the simple option: the GRO index! > Sept 1845 > LEVI Isaac Liverpool 20571 > Dec 1844 > LEVY Isaac Marylebone 1[16]53 > Mar 1845 > LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2104 > LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2604 > Sep 1845 > LEVY Isaac St Martin 1119 > Mar 1846 > LEVY Isaac East London 2216 > LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2658 > LEVY Isaac East London 2228 >

Dear Louise, I presume the people you mention are these: 1 Ephraim Levy Green b: 1809 d: 13 Apr 1874 in 4 St. James Place, Aldgate, London E1, England . +Amelia Hart b: 1815 m: 03 Feb 1836 in Great Synagogue, Dukes Place d: 24 Nov 1885 in 4 St. James Place, Aldgate, London E1, England ........ 2 Amelia Green b: 1851 in Aldgate, London E, England d: 12 Jan 1924 in 27 Marylebone High Street, London W1, England ............ +Julius Marks b: 1838 in Poland d: 13 Apr 1911 in 165 Cambridge Rd, Bethnal Green I'm interested in the family of Julius Marks who had 9 children with his first wife Martha. Danielle Sanderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> > Dear Steve, I have an Amelia Levy Green daughter of amelia Levy Green and > Ephraim Levy Green in my family tree.

A new entrant keen to explore LEWIS, DORN and MEYERS who went to Australia and New Zealand. DORN from Jersey about 1860.Have significant details on LEWIS family. Solomon LEWIS whose daughter Matilda, born 1838 was my GGM. Have birth certificate and census records for LEWIS family. provide details off list. In London for 2 weeks in August to find more details. Any advice on likely first steps, please. John MEYERS NSW Australia

Hello kind people (yes, I'm asking for a favour) .. I've located the best candidates for the parents of Isaac/Charles LEWIS (believed to be LEVY): Abraham and Louisa LEVY who married in 1827. I selected them because: a) the age of their son Isaac (6 in 1851, 16 in 1861) matches the age of Isaac/Charles LEWIS (26 in 1871 and 36 in 1881) b) Louisa died in Dec 1877 and Isaac/Charles' son Lewis was born in May 1879 (2 years later) c) Abraham died in 1894 and Isaac/Charles' son Abraham was born in 1889 (5yrs _before_)* * I know that seems a bit early, but Isaac/Charles had already set a precedent when he named his first daughter: - mother-in-law Amelia died in 1878 and daughter Amelia was born 1877 (1yr _before_) - also father-in-law Barnet died in 1879 and son Barnet was born in 1880 (1 year later) I have a photo of their marriage entry from the Great Synagogue register and I'm wondering if someone could read the hebrew script for me. If so, please let me know - I can send it by email. Steve

Dear Steve, I have an Amelia Levy Green daughter of amelia Levy Green and Ephraim Levy Green in my family tree. Is there any connection? With best wishes, Louise----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lewis" <slewis@slewis.co.uk>

I don't know if it's worth the hassle of registering for the Times sample..it is a slow, stubborn and unfriendly site with a contrary search engine Ann Jensen Australia

The site says that if you don't receive the email you should contact customer services and they give an email address custserv@timesonline.co.uk I hope this helps. Ann Macey in sunny and warm Newport Gwent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Richardson" <erchrdsn@pathcom.com>

First I want to thank those who offered assistance and suggestions in my search ... and particularly Elly Smith whose suggestion has come up trumps. I just received the birth certificate for Charles and Elizabeth's son Lewis LEWIS and at the time of his birth in 1878 they were living at the same address as they were in the 1881 census which reassures me that I have the right person. Better still, his parents are recorded as Isaac LEWIS and Elizabeth née EMANUEL. This confirms that Charles and Isaac are the same person. Goodness knows why he and Elizabeth/Beysey have to keep changing their names on all these records - didn't they think of the confusion it would cause me later! Thank goodness they left this one piece of evidence that links their identities together. Now that quandry is behind me, I just have to identify Charles/Isaac's parents. As I think I mentioned before his father was recorded as Levy LEWIS on his marriage certificate, but no such person seems to exist, at least not of an age that could have fathered Charles/Isaac in 1845. With the family rumour that he changed his name from Levy, it seems my best bet is to assume he started life as Isaac LEVY and perhaps record his father's name that way to somehow reflect the name change. Any suggestions as to how I might go about finding his parents will be very grateful received. Steve

Hi Steve, You could go for the simple option: the GRO index! Sept 1845 LEVI Isaac Liverpool 20571 Dec 1844 LEVY Isaac Marylebone 1[16]53 Mar 1845 LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2104 LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2604 Sep 1845 LEVY Isaac St Martin 1119 Mar 1846 LEVY Isaac East London 2216 LEVY Isaac Whitechapel 2658 LEVY Isaac East London 2228 Best wishes, Sherry On 07/05/2008, Steve Lewis <slewis@slewis.co.uk> wrote: > As I think I mentioned before his father was recorded as Levy > LEWIS on his marriage certificate, but no such person seems to exist, at > least not of an age that could have fathered Charles/Isaac in 1845. > With the family rumour that he changed his name from Levy, it seems my > best bet is to assume he started life as Isaac LEVY and perhaps record > his father's name that way to somehow reflect the name change. Any > suggestions as to how I might go about finding his parents will be very > grateful received. > >

I missed part of this thread. Do you know for sure that he was born in England? Jackye Sullins > Hi Steve, > You could go for the simple option: the GRO index!

I agree. It's a disaster. I registered and then it wouldn't let me back in. I did confirm my registration so nothing should have gone wrong. I then sent an email to which they responded two days later asking for my registration username, password and email address. That was two days ago! The little I saw of the search engine was awkward to say the least. I couldn't find the archives either. Jackye Sullins >I don't know if it's worth the hassle of registering for the Times > sample..it is a slow, stubborn and unfriendly site with a contrary search > engine > Ann Jensen > Australia

Dear Eve, Yes I had the same problem with the Times and eventually just gave up. David Alexander Puycelsi > I have had no luck registering. The Times is supposed to send an e-mail so one can confirm one's registration but none has been sent, though I've tried the "If you haven't been sent the confirmation e-mail click here" button several times. I tried reregistering but because the system already has my e-mail it won't let me. Anyone else had this problem and managed to solve it ? Eve Richardson ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

Jill Hyams wrote: > Listers may be interested to know that issues of The Times newspaper, > 1785-1985, are available online and free to search/view for an introductory > period at http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/. > > You just need to register > I have had no luck registering. The Times is supposed to send an e-mail so one can confirm one's registration but none has been sent, though I've tried the "If you haven't been sent the confirmation e-mail click here" button several times. I tried reregistering but because the system already has my e-mail it won't let me. Anyone else had this problem and managed to solve it ? Eve Richardson

Jackye You should receive an email asking you to verify your email address. If you don't, try logging in again, & you should get a message with the option of requesting the verification email to be re-sent. Once you get the verification email and click on the link, you should be OK but you will probably have to sign in again! The same thing happened to me this morning but I can now access the records. Sounds convoluted, I know, but I think they're having teething problems. I'll also send this reply to the list in case other people have the same problem. Jill <I registered but can't seem to locate the archives.>

Listers may be interested to know that issues of The Times newspaper, 1785-1985, are available online and free to search/view for an introductory period at http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/. You just need to register. Jill Staines, Middx

I have not done a 1st of the month message this month, but there are a few things I need to say: There is an update to http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/1870s%20auths.htm thanks to Susan McPhedran for providing some extra information which spurred me to relook at some entries and find some more data. If you have a provincial authorisation PLEASE submit it. If you have more details on any of the people in the authorisations PLEASE also submit that. I also need to remind you that what you write to list goes into the list archives, for anyone and everyone to view. Please do not post your own private details unless you REALLY want to take that risk. Addresses (beyond city/town), phone numbers etc are activitely discouraged. Pass these on privately, if you need to. Similarly, just to remind you that you can't forward from any other list/source without permission from the original poster. If you want to put two people in touch, then the correct netiquette is NOT to send email addresses or other contact details, even privately, without permission. You MUST ask the person before you start passing on their details (even when any google search will find them). If in doubt, leave it out! Thanks to everyone who took notice of my last biff-out and is now snipping as much as possible in their replies. Your support is appreciated. Best wishes Sherry

Angela Thanks for the LEWIS records you sent me. Just as soon as I can be sure that I'm barking up the right ancestral tree so to speak with Charles/Isaac LEWIS, I shall certainly look at those - but I'm afraid to invest too much effort in pusuing what may turn out in the end to be the wrong family! To be honest, I still think I have the right man (not least because I cannot find any other candidates), but there are still a couple of issues I think: 1. There's nothing but circumstantial evidence to say that Charles & Elizabeth LEWIS (who I'm pretty sure are my g grandparents) from the 1881, 1891 and 1901 cenuses are defiinitively the same couple as the Isaac & Betsey LEWIS whose (civil and synagogue) marriage records I've found. 2. Even if there are other examples of Isaac known as Charles in my family that could explain the name change, and even if there's a supporting family rumour that Isaac may have changed his name from Isaac LEVY to Charles LEWIS, this Isaac LEWIS was not Halevi (at least not at his marriage). So, I'm thinking that if his son Lewis/Louis LEWIS were registered at birth as Halevi then even if I can't explain why his father, Isaac/Charles, was not registered as Halevi at the time of his marriage, I could at least eliminate this key source of doubt that Isaac/Charles LEWIS is my g g grandfather. While I wait for a copy of Lewis/Louis LEWIS' birth certificate, I'm thinking that there's one other thing I should be doing to resolve this issue of Isaac not being Halevi - which is to try to find a record of his son Lewis/Louis' hebrew name at birth. Do you know where I might locate that? He was born (most likely) in May 1878, but all the records I saw at the Family History Centre for the Great Synagogue seem to stop before that date. The same question also for Charles/Isaac's birth - would I be able to get the same information for him if I believe that he was born sometime between April 1844 and March 1845 and may have been born LEVY instead of LEWIS? I have found a candidate 1851 and 1861 census records for his childhood as Isaac LEVY and also a candidate civil record for his birth, but I don't know if they would be as valuable as a synagogue record right now. As always, suggestions and thoughts from anyone will be gratefully received. Steve