Hi Sherry Thank you for your response. According to the Leeds Burials Peter Simon (Philip) MYERS was buried at Hill Top Cemetery in 1889 at the age of 78. His wife Charlotte MYERS died in 1902 at the age of 85. These dates immediately differ from the ones they give in the censuses - but given what must have been 'great ages' for the time in which they lived...... Now to the ISAACS. I have two families headed by an Emanuel ISAACS, the question being which one did Charlotte MYERS nee ISAACS belong to. My starting point is her marriage in the Great Synagogue, Dukes Place, London to Peter Simon MYERS in March 1838. In the Census of 1841 and living at Fishers Alley Emanuel born about 1791 wife Catherine 1796 Benjamin 1821 Elias 1826 Hannah 1826 Sarah 1826 Rachael 1829 Maria 1831 Henry 1831 Julia 1834 In the Census of 1841 and living at St Mary Axe Emanuel Isaac(son) 1786 (the addition of 'son' being a transcription error) wife Maria (nee Magnus - Census 1851) 1796 Esther 1819 Joseph 1821 Caroline 1823 Whilst the Census of 1841 was just three years after Peter Simon and Charlotte's marriage, neither address is the ones on the Marriage Certificate of No 1 Union Street, Bishopsgate Street, or her spouses address of 4 Grove Street, Commercial Road. I would love to be able to establish which family Charlotte belonged to. With regard to the MYERS (father Simon and son Peter Simon) I have no clue as to where or when they arrived from Poland, the name of the town they came from, or what happened to their wife/mother. Peter Simon's father Simon MYERS failed to fill in any census form and I have no clues as to whether there are any other family members. I await any thoughts or direction. Angela Wilkinson OTLEY, ENGLAND

Isaac SIMON, Isaac COHEN, Morris GOLDSTEIN,Aaron Miller, Israel Philip Torlowsky, Simon ESTERSON, Adolph COHEN, were all signatories on these lease of this building in 1897. Do you want more information? Are they yours? Please respond off list. Nomi Franks (London UK) Researching COHEN and ZIMBLER

Hi Angela, I am not sure if this will help but have you seen the burial record for Peter? Meanwhile explain to us about the ISAACS family. I have: Menachem ISAACS with wife Miram (surname unknown) and the following children (although I can't be sure they all actually belong to this Menachem, so your help would be appreciated in sorting them out): Charlotte 1820-1902 m. Peter Simon MYERS in 1838 Rosetta 1806-1871 m. Henry MAGNUS in 1832 Esther ????-1848 m. Nathaniel MAGNUS in 1844 Sarah ????-???? m. Saul JOSEPH in 1836 Caroline ????-???? m. Barnett Aaron SIBURT in 1847 Emanuel ????-???? m. Jane ROBINS in 1805 (he worries me as being too old to be part of the set up) All marriages at Great Synagogue London Best wishes, Sherry On 02/06/2008, Angela Wilkinson <janetangela@googlemail.com> wrote: > Whilst I have traced the family forward, I am seeking information on both > the MYERS and ISAACS families before their Marriage at the Great Synagogue, > London in 1838. > > Any information or advice would be gratefully received. >

british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: If you wish to change the format of this digest please email british-jewry-admin@rootsweb.com (put digest format in the subject line) When you reply please remember to make the subject line appropriate and to snip everything but the original message body-thanks! Today's Topics: 1. Jewish Victorian look up pls (Sherry in France) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:51:27 +0100 From: "Sherry in France" Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Jewish Victorian look up pls To: "BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, My copy is in France, unlike me and my email address :-( Can someone with the above please look up James MARKS. He died 9 Oct 1876. I can't locate a death notice in the JC online archives, but I think there would have been one, because later there are memorial notices.... I need the list of children (seeking married names and locations) one would be Gertrude BROWN and another Leah BROOKS. Thanks for any help. Sherry (Salford, LAN) ------------------------------ Desperately hope I've done this correctly - first time and all that. Sorry about delay. I have family down from Adelaide Marks, 2nd daughter of James, if that's of interest/help. She m. Solomon Abrahams and subsequently died in childbirth in South Africa with 4th child, also Adelaide. Do you know where her mother Sarah Marks, nee Marks, was born, apart from Surrey? Acc 1871 census James' children were Josiah, Gertrude, Adelaide, Isobel, Ellen, Leah, Louis, Amelia, Samuel, another daughter. Liz Bryant, Essex ------------------------------ To contact the BRITISH-JEWRY list administrator, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 186 *********************************************

This is my first attempt at posting, so please forgive any errors. I have been researching my family history for a while now but have come to a full stop. The earliest record is of Peter Simon MYERS (later Philip) and Charlotte ISAACS marrying at the Great Synagogue, London in March 1838. Peter Simon MYERS (and his father Simon MYERS) state they are from Poland but where and when has so far evaded me. But sometime after his birth in 1817 and their marriage in March 1838. There is no trace of Simon MYERS in the census of 1841. As for Charlotte ISAACS, in the marriage certificate her father appears as Emanuel ISAACS. However, I can find no record of her birth in the Great Synagogue records but from the census believe it to be 1821. Therefore I have been unable to confirm which (of two possible Emanual ISAACS in the approximate time frame) is her father and therefore am unable to place her in a family. The MYERS were a family associated with the boot trade and moved to Leeds between 1838 and 1841, with a short spell back in London. Whilst I have traced the family forward, I am seeking information on both the MYERS and ISAACS families before their Marriage at the Great Synagogue, London in 1838. Any information or advice would be gratefully received. Angela Wilkinson OTLEY, ENGLAND

thanks to everyone who emailed me and for the replies in this forum re Shul's and Jewish SE London. I will be going to a couple of SE archives in due course, but have since learned that that branch of the family started off in Whitechapel, moved uptown, and ended up living in SE London. But I'm curious to learn more about SE London where they were all the same. Thanks everyone, B.Shiel - London

Hi Keira I have the 30 page booklet, on the Borough Synagogue, compiled by Rev M Rosenbaum in 1917 I will send you the information you need. Terry Newman Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keira Lockyer" <keira.lockyer@bigpond.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Borough Synagogue

Sherry You wrote: If you are interested in Borough Synagogue check out our webpage http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/borough_synagogue.htm "Taken from the index in the book "The History of Borough Synagogue" by Rev. M Rosenbaum. Does anyone know if this book is available in Melbourne? My 2 x great grandfather Moss BENJAMIN is mentioned on pages 4, 11,14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 30 and 31 so it would be of great interest to me. Jacob Morris HARRIS is also a relative twice over. Keira Lockyer in cold and sunny country Victoria, Australia.

If anyone can help me figure out the Dutch 1851 census please can they contact me OFF-LIST (although these people ended up in UK). To give you a head start: Judah s/o Jacob WARRADIJN (spelled WARRADYN in UK) can be found in 1851 census of Amsterdam with DOB 4 Aug 1824 POB Amsterdam (http://www.dutchjewry.org/search/search.htm) With him are Celine (Sellije) and Elisabeth born 1849 and 1850 respectively. So far, so good (apart from the fact they appear more than once, which is confusing me).... However, where is the mother/wife? There was another daughter (Anna in English so probably Anne in Dutch) born c1852. Judah's wife was Esther Henrietta born abt 1831 Holland (not sure where). Judah died before 23 May 1867 when Esther Henrietta married Mayer BLANCKENSEE of Birmingham. To confuse matters (or possibly keep them tidier) the three girls went on to marry 3 of Mayer's sons! My only thought to Esther Henrietta being "missing" in 1851 Dutch census is that she could be enumerated under her maiden name-so that's why I need an expert to tell me how to find her! All help welcome, but as I say, off-list please. Hope to hear from hoards of you soon, Best wishes, Sherry Landa (23170 Viersat, France)

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Hello. I am away from my desk until Monday and will reply when I return Gary

> Congregation of Borough Synagogue (in Southwark) from 1823: > http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/London/borough/index.htm If you are interested in Borough Synagogue check out our webpage http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/borough_synagogue.htm "Taken from the index in the book "The History of Borough Synagogue" by Rev. M Rosenbaum, this list gives the names which appear in the book. The aim is to help members check their names are in the book before travelling to view. This is available on the Hyamson Fiche. These are at the SOG and a few other libraries etc." Best wishes Sherry Landa (23170 Viersat, France)

Hi Bea In the 18th and 19th centuries, there were Jewish communities in Southwark, Newington and Richmond upon Thames (formerly in the county of Surrey, now part of London). The following web links may be of use: 18th century Anglo-Jewry in Richmond: http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/Community/local_research.htm#richmond Congregation of Borough Synagogue (in Southwark) from 1823: http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/London/borough/index.htm Many individual references to Jews are found in sources such as Quarter Sessions (QS) records and Poor Law records which are often (usefully) indexed!. Surrey Poor Law records and QS records are held at Surrey History Centre in Woking (http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/surreyhistorycentre). Descriptions of entries in the 18th century QS records are listed on the Access to Archives (A2A) website which can be searched at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/extended.asp. Type in a keyword (such as surname), select Surrey History Centre (Location of Archives) and type QS in Catalogue Reference. You may also find the following of interest: http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_R TF/Sources+for+Jewish+history+at+Surrey+History+Centre?opendocument or http://tinyurl.com/5vlehc Jill Staines, Middx I wondered if anyone can either direct me to a link, or email a description about any major Jewish community (including cemeteries, Shuls, etc) specifically for 1770-1870, in the following areas only: Peckham Rye, Lambeth, county of Surrey, Wapping.

You could have a look at the Arthur Lloyd site for general background http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/ . The Theatre Archives Project of the British Library http://www.bl.uk/projects/theatrearchive/generalinfo.html gives a great number of links, resources and pointers to other sources including archives. Windmill Theatre and the Windmill Girls have been the topic of so much publicity (wasn't there a film recently?) that a Google search should yield info. Ann Jensen Music Halls

Thank you so much foryour information which I will follow through. I saw the film. It was mainly about the chorus who took their clothes of and my Aunty Betty was not in that part of the show. She was also in oneof the first Tel avision recordings in the 30s and in films made by the Ideal Film Company when she was a little girl. Perhaps someone has heard of that company. One glorious Friday night, after dinner at my grandmother's flat, she got upf rom the table and taught me how to do the charleston.A skill that I have shown of for many years!. With best wishes, Loiuise- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs Mansefield" <annjen@ozemail.com.au>

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For information: Wirral Archives Service will be temporarily closed to the public from Saturday 31 May 2008, in order to allow us to relocate into our new state of the art facility in the Cheshire Lines Building, near Hamilton Square station in Birkenhead. Wirral Archives Service will re-open to the public in late summer 2008 and will offer a much improved service with extended opening hours of Monday- Friday 9.30am–4.30pm and Saturday 10am-1pm. Wirral Archives Service will endeavour to answer postal, telephone and email enquiries during this closure period, however response times may be slightly longer than normal owing to potential difficulties in locating material in transit. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. If anyone has any questions regarding this relocation, please don't hesitate to contact me via the contact details below. Additional information and updates will be released on our new web pages at www.wirral.gov.uk later in the year. Many thanks, William Meredith Archivist Wirral Archives Service Wirral Museum Hamilton Square Birkenhead CH41 5BR 0151 666 3903 www.wirral.gov.uk

Dear Listers, since we are onto musical theatre, I wonder if anyone knows anything about my aunt Betty Hart whose stage name was Betty Burke. Born in about 1909, she was a child actress singer, having studied with Terry Freedman in Cricklewood. Betty was a dancer/singer ( called a soubrette in those days) and the leading lady at the Windmill Theatre until about 1935. Years ago I saw a book of newspaper cuttings so they must exist. She was also in pantomime in Dublin. She was a wondeful lady and singing and beautiful till the day she died. Could anyone suggest any archives for more informationas I am writing a book about the family. With best wishes, Louise in London researching HART,ABENDANA,, GELBBERG BENTHEIM,BENDHEIM,ISRAEL----- Original Message -----

Hello British Jewry, I wondered if anyone can either direct me to a link, or email a description about any major Jewish community (including cemeteries, Shuls, etc) specifically for 1770-1870, in the following areas only: Peckham Rye, Lambeth, county of Surrey, Wapping. Its come to my attention some in my Western European family seemed to have started off living in those areas first. But I know nothing about olde Jewish bits of the areas named. Hope you can help me learn a bit more about it, and thank you, B. Shiel - London

Elly, thank you so much for forwarding on the web address for The Era & other newspapers. I mananged to log on, and found a half a dozen articles about Charles Solomon (and his daughter Annette). Brilliant stuff! B.Shiel - London