Jean Louis Samuel from France, has contacted the Cemetery Project _www.genpals.com_ (http://www.genpals.com) . in respect of his ancestors' graves in the Balls Pond Road Cemetery. If any kind person has plans to visit Balls Pond Road and would be prepated to locate and photograph these graves, or, perhaps already has photographed the stones in question, could they please contact him direct. _samuellou@free.fr_ (mailto:samuellou@free.fr) , Isaac SAMUEL 29-Dec-1882 Balls Pond Road Fanny SAMUEL (nee Heilbronner) 06-Aug-1880 Balls Pond Road Lambert SAMUEL 14-Dec-1879 Balls Pond Road Leopoldine SAMUEL (nee Friedberger) 19-Sep-1882 Balls Pond Road Angela Shire London

There is a book available in the UK - "London's East End - Life and Traditions", by Jane Cox, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1994.   This book has quite a lot of information, not about our families, rather about the people and the area, and in places describes the various immigrations of Jewish people into the UK. I found that it cleared up for me the queries about when our generations may have arrived in England. They were pre-1800. Any ideas very much appreciated Regards John Meyers

Dear Babs, Just in a round about way. A Ralph Raphael of 21 Whitcombe Street, Haymarket was the person who in 1849 reported the death of my getc father Aaron Aarons. However Raphael Raphael died in 1845 so it can(t be him. Yet when I checked the will of Raphael I found that one of his daughters, Sarah married an Aaron Prins. This intrigued me since one of Aaron Aarons nephews Wolf Samuel also had Prins connections!!!! regards David Alexander Puycelsi Dear David, The people you mentioned are all on my family tree, do you have an interest in them? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Beverley Bergman, with her usual generosity, shared the link for this fascinating website with us. She was chary of pasting a long URL; no need to worry. Always go to www.tinyurl.com & for _free_ you can shorten the long URL to a sensible, easy-to-paste length. So the 128 letters for the Princelet St Syn. Registers is now http://tiny.cc/zqDYv Enjoy! And use again that www.tinyurl.com website for all such long URLs. Miriam Margolyes off to Chicago searching: AMIEL, PASEVITCH. SANDEMAN, LEWIS, JENKINS

David Ralph Raphael Simon married Sarah Abrahams at the Gt Synagogue 2 Nov 1791. I could not say whether or not he later remarried. Best regards Hazel Hazel Dakers London UK www.hazeldakers.co.uk Researching:NORDEN (UK and South Africa), HEIMANN (Luegde Germany and South Africa), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz,Lodz Poland), GOLD (Zgierz,Lodz Poland) Is Ralph Raphale the same as Raphael Raphael b. ca 1771 and married to Julia Ashen (with son Nathan Raphael b. ca 1806)? David Alexander Puycelsi France -----. I have these first names so far: Meir, Schnur Scwartz Zisman, Samuel Zusman = Judith Rifka Yitka Norden, Elizabeth Beile, Fanny Fredl, Leah, Philip = Betsy Beila Benjamin, Ralph Raphale = Sarah Abrahams, Brinah = Abraham Jacobs, Polly Merle = Samuel Abrahams. *********************************************

< I am interested in the Sarfaty de Pinna family > Unlikely to be the same family, but with a similar sound - I have been trying unsuccessfully to trace a David Levin PINNER. He appears on the 1881 census for Sheffield as David PINNER, aged 81 (and he is NOT the father of Jane MARKS who is erroneously shown as head of household, but may be the step-father of her husband), and on the marriage certificate of his daughter Yetta PINNER to Simon ZOLKI, also in Sheffield, in 1864. I have heard an unconfirmed rumour that he later emigrated to the USA (as did his daughter after she was widowed at an early age) but further information is lacking. If he did, it would have been in extreme old age. All sightings of David (Levin) PINNER, in any country, gratefully received! Beverly Bergman Camberley UK

BJ-ers researching London families may be interested to know about a site which provides indexed and digitised copies of the Princelet Street Synagogue marriages register from 1897 to 1907. Go to www.ideastore.co.uk and then use the Search to look for Synagogue (the full URL for the relevant page is lengthy and would split up in an e-mail). Also available on the same site are the Bow Apprentices Register for 1803 and the Bow Poor Rate Book for 1820. My thanks go to a cousin in New Zealand for bring this to my attention! Beverly Bergman Camberley UK

Hi I am interested in the Sarfaty de Pinna family, but mainly those in Amsterdam. My line goes back to Joshua Sarfaty de Pinna and Esther Cohen Farro, born in Amsterdam. I am already aware of all the info on the Akevoth website. However, according to a result on Google Books there is an article in 'Vol. 22- (1968/69- ) includes its Miscellanies, pt. 7- (1970- ) Page 141' containing information about them and then son Jacob. Its only a 'snippet view' and therefore tantalising! I am not especially interested in the branch that came to UK, rather those that remained in Amsterdam and or any information going back from Joshua Sarfaty de Pinna and his wife Esther. According to the cumulative index in 35 (1996-1998), Sarfaty appears in the following volumes: Sarfati Isaac XX1X p57 Sarfati Jacob XXVIII p155 Sarfati Rafael Eliezer XXVIII p153 Sarfaty Isaac XXVI p97 But no mention of the Vol 22. I do not have access to any of these and wondered if there was some kind person, as all B-J ers are, that could help me? Thank you! Regards Gaby Laws London UK

Dear Gaby, Don't know whether this is relevant but there is a lot of info on Abraham Sarfati de Pina (b. 1644) and other members of his family in Halevy "Biographisches Lexikon der Hamburger Sefarden". If it is relevant I can scan the entries. regards DavidAlexander Puycelsi France Hi I am interested in the Sarfaty de Pinna family, but mainly those in Amsterdam. My line goes back to Joshua Sarfaty de Pinna and Esther Cohen Farro, born in Amsterdam. I am already aware of all the info on the Akevoth website. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Dear Hazel, Is Ralph Raphale the same as Raphael Raphael b. ca 1771 and married to Julia Ashen (with son Nathan Raphael b. ca 1806)? David Alexander Puycelsi France -----. I have these first names so far: Meir, Schnur Scwartz Zisman, Samuel Zusman = Judith Rifka Yitka Norden, Elizabeth Beile, Fanny Fredl, Leah, Philip = Betsy Beila Benjamin, Ralph Raphale = Sarah Abrahams, Brinah = Abraham Jacobs, Polly Merle = Samuel Abrahams. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

For YESHERMOFSKY you could try YASHINOVSKY and variants? My YASHINOVSKY came from Knyszyn, near Bialystok, but sadly I have no known connection with KOPOVITCH or with the other names you mention. Elly (London) 2008/8/13 Ginger de Winter <ginger@flyingdutchman1.co.uk>: > I have a birth certificate for Simon, stating that his mother's > maiden name is YESHERMOFSKY.

Dear All I think I have found my grandmother, Freda KOPOVITCH (born Bialystock/) on the 1901 census. (Her surname could be KAPLOVITCH or a million other spellings). She is niece (19) (seems correct) in the family of: Lizzie 34 and Jacob 36 BORTNOSKI with Deborah 16, Lewis 14, Simon 9, Alice 3, Reene 5 months. I have a birth certificate for Simon, stating that his mother's maiden name is YESHERMOFSKY. I have no knowledge of those surnames. I cannot find them on Jewishgen. I cannot seem to trace marriages in this family on the big well-known website. Has anyone any ideas as to what to do next? I know my Grandfather Morris/Moshe Kapovitz had two brothers, Avraham and Meir (from the marriage Auth) but I don't know in which country they were. I know there was a relation here but my mother couldn't remember the name. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Ginger de Winter London researching ABELSON, ENGLANDER

Yesterday we walked for miles around the older part of Jewish London. It was a true goose bump journey. My ancestors came from Clerkenwell, Middlesex, Shoreditch and Bermondesy. A credit to our guide Louis. It all means so much more having heard and seen the places they lived. To those on this list who helped me get here. Many thanks John Meyers in Barnes for one more week

Dear All I am seeking a photo of the Matzevah at Waltham Abbey for Deborah STOOKIN - 22/12/1986 - Section 10, Row B, Plot 42. Please contact me on a1steve@bigpond.com if you are able to assist. If a photo is not possible, I am seeking a translation of her Hebrew name and that of her father. Many thanks. Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON

Dear Sherry and other users of the Jewish Chronicle Project CD - thank you for your continued use of this resource - it makes me feel proud to hear that you are still using it and finding lots of connections. For those who are interested, I have all of 1910 on my computer at home and would be happy to do any searches required. I'd just got to December 1910 when the whole project fell over. Does anyone out there have a project where they need someone to do some inputting of data? I have some free time which I would like to fill in a constructive manner? Kind regards, Miriam Pollak Cambridge, UK

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Simchat Torah was on Shabbat 2nd October and Sunday 3rd October 1779 If Sukkot (first day) fell on 15 Tishri 5540 [Saturday 25 September 1779] can anyone tell me the date that Simchat Torah would have fallen on in London in that year?

Hazel Dakers <hazel.dakers@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >I should appreciate hearing from any member of this list who has identified >in their tree members of a Simons family - or any variant spelling - living >in Raven Row Spitalfields at the start of C19th. > >I have these first names so far: Meir, Schnur Scwartz Zisman, Samuel Zusman >= Judith Rifka Yitka Norden, Elizabeth Beile, Fanny Fredl, Leah, Philip = >Betsy Beila Benjamin, Ralph Raphale = Sarah Abrahams, Brinah = Abraham >Jacobs, Polly Merle = Samuel Abrahams. Possibly a little too early but I have Fanny Simons [Typka dau of Jacob], born around 1765, married Jacob Myers [Jacob son of Myer Samson] at the Great Synagogue 18 February 1795. Fanny died on 17 April 1841. -- Chris Newall EMail : chris@rebus.demon.co.uk Ealing, London, W5 Website: http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/

I should appreciate hearing from any member of this list who has identified in their tree members of a Simons family - or any variant spelling - living in Raven Row Spitalfields at the start of C19th. I have these first names so far: Meir, Schnur Scwartz Zisman, Samuel Zusman = Judith Rifka Yitka Norden, Elizabeth Beile, Fanny Fredl, Leah, Philip = Betsy Beila Benjamin, Ralph Raphale = Sarah Abrahams, Brinah = Abraham Jacobs, Polly Merle = Samuel Abrahams. Many thanks Hazel Dakers London UK <outbind://47/www.hazeldakers.co.uk> www.hazeldakers.co.uk Researching:NORDEN (UK and South Africa), HEIMANN (Luegde Germany and South Africa), BIRNBAUM (Zgierz,Lodz Poland), GOLD (Zgierz,Lodz Poland)