Dear Sherry, You ask where I am, for now lets just say I'm in Victoria and if you wish any more than this I'd ask you to go to another email address [rmbhart@gmail.com]. Forgive my vagueness when it comes to questions I am housebound due to Syringomyelia [similar to MS] and self taught in my hobby of genealogy. On a pension there is very little that can be set aside for shocking price of certificates, transcriptions, and exchange rates. Therefore I rely very heavily on my internet friends. I dislike my situation as all my life I have worked as a contractor/tradesman, doing for myself and family, rather than being reliant on others. Genealogy is a form of therapy for me and I work at it from about 9am to 5pm with a break for lunch, since about 2002. Thank you for your research on my behalf. I will take careful note of the things said and try to apply them. My best wishes, Ray Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson wrote: > Dear Ray, > > Welcome back. Again-please say where in Oz you are! > > Personally, I think you are asking the wrong questions in order to find the > grave of Zalig HART. Presumably you know his death was registered in Dec qtr > 1881 Hart Solomon Talig 67 Kensington 1a 6 Have you tried the US > burials database or contacting them directly to see if they can find a > burial plot for Solomon/Zalig? > http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/burial_records or > have you looked at Gaby and Angela's FABULOUS GenPals site > http://www.genpals.co.uk/cemeteryproject/index.php Both of these are linked > from our website www.british-jewry.org.uk where you will find other > information and tips which may be of help. > > Question 1 > You say did Mary Ann die, but surely if you have the marriage certificate > for Zalig and Hannah you know that? Either it says widower or it says > divorcee? > Question 2 > A bit of basic census research tells us that Mary Ann was alive and living > as Zalig's wife in 1861 census. She's still there in 1871, the writing is > terrible and she is indexed as Harmeth! But I checked it and it's definitely > them. So, from that I searched the BMD deaths from March 1871 to Sept 1878, > registered in Middlesex (I took a chance that she was not away from home). > There are a few possible entries: > Dec 1875 HART Mary Anne 43 Marylebone 1a 381 > Mar 1876 HART Mary Ann 56 Shoreditch 1c 125 > June 1876 Hart Mary 54 Whitechapel 1c 234 > Mar 1878 HART Mary Ann 48 Marylebone 1a 444 > Question 4 > I don't see Hannah in 1891 census so guess she either died or remarried. > There are some possible deaths for her in the period 1881-1891. > Question 3 > This is like asking how long is a piece of string. It's not a fair question. > To start with how do we know which of the many JOEL and MYERS families you > are referring to? We don't have the marriage details to know who the fathers > of these women were, or where they were born or when (although as I have > looked them up on the censuses I have some ideas, it's not fair to expect > all list members to take the time to do this for you). Please be more > specific. > > Hope this gives you some starting points and feel free to come back to us > when you have more details to give us to try to help you. > > Best, > Sherry (Duty Admin) in 23170 Viersat, FRANCE > > I'm having difficulty finding the grave site of my g/g/grand father. > His name; Zalig Solomon Hart b.1818. > Married; > #1 Mary Ann Joel on the 28/7/1844 at 2 Stoney Lane, Algate. > #2 Hannah Myers on the 14/9/1878, in the Great Synagogue of London. > He had 8 children by which wife I don't know. > > Questions. > 1 Did Mary die? > 2 If so when? > 3 Who were the Joel and Myers families? > 4 When did Hannah die? > > I was hoping that finding Zalig's grave site might go some way to > answering my questions. > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Dear Ray, If you look in the index of the JC archives (www.thejc.com then go to the Archives) and tell me what pages you are interested in I can look them up. I have already looked Zalig up in the JC, and most of the references are simply adverts for his work. But if you spot snippets that look of particular interest, tell me which and I'll check them again. If you have Adobe Reader V7 I can e-mail you a link to the page and you can see it as you would if you had a subscription. Obviously this is only permissible for a few articles. If you don't have any BMD certificates for Zalig, I will order and scan for you a couple. The ones that have a tenuous link to my tree are the two marriages, so I would be happy to order those at least. In case other BJ-listers are linked, this is my understanding of Zalig and his siblings. Descendants of Moshe Ha Cohen Hart 1 Moshe Ha Cohen Hart d: Bef. 1841 in Whitechapel . +Leah Benjamin b: 1796 in Whitechapel m: 21 Feb 1819 in Great Synagogue ........ 2 Zalig (Solomon) Hart b: 1813 in Whitechapel, Middlesex d: 17 Oct 1881 ............ +Mary (Miriam) Joel b: 1816 in Aldgate, Middx m: 28 Jul 1844 in Great Synagogue d: 29 Dec 1869 ........ *2nd Wife of Zalig (Solomon) Hart: ............ +Hannah Myers b: 1831 in Middlesex m: 14 Sep 1870 in City of London ........ 2 Sarah Hart b: 1820 in Whitechapel ........ 2 Lipman Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel ............ +Hannah/Abigail/Emma ........ 2 Benjamin Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel ........ 2 Rachel Hart b: 1827 in Whitechapel ........ 2 Judah Hart b: 1831 in Whitechapel ........ 2 Michael Hart b: 1834 in Whitechapel ............ +Elizabeth Isaacs m: 18 Sep 1859 in Great Synagogue ........ 2 Joseph Hart b: 1838 in Whitechapel Danielle Sanderson BUSHEY, HERTS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hart" <rmbhart@alphalink.com.au> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JC Lookup Please > Listers, > Would any one be able to do a lookup in the Jewish Chronical for > anything on Zalig Hart [fishmonger]please? He very likely would be my > g/g/grandfather. > He had a connection to the Great Synagogue of London. My g/grandfather > Benjamin [b1851] was married in the GSL in 1875 before bringing his

Hi I am new to this list. I am looking for information on a Harris GALINSKY, a tailor's cutter, from Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK, for a friend, who is the daughter of Israel Galinsky below. I have two birth certificates ~ details of which are ~ Leah Galinsky born 15th July 1911, Leeds. Father Harris Galinsky; Mother Sarah (formerly Wolfson). Israel Galinsky born 6th May 1917, Leeds. Father Harris Galinsky; Mother Sarah (formerly Wolfson). I understand that Israel changed his name to Jack Graham shortly after his marriage to Rena Thompson in October 1938 in Leeds. I have not been able to find any marriage for Harris GALINSKY and Sarah (formerly WOLFSON). I do recognise that Sarah may have been previously married, therefore her surname at the time of her marriage to Harris Galinsky may not have been Wolfson. If anyone can help it would be very much appreciated. Regards Raymond Wilby Morley, West Yorkshire UK Researching: Wilby; Walker; Pollard; Featherstone; Farrow; Rayner; Knox; Rhodes; Broomhead. Galinsky

Dear Keira, Yes, we have corresponded in the past but about other families. I found the reference to Jacob Joseph in the will of Joseph Levy (d. 1835). Joseph had two daughters. Elizabeth married Barnard Alexander (ben Marem Hollander) who was the brother of my ggetcfather and Esther married Jacob Joseph. I have been unable to trace either Jacob or Esther but will look into a possible connection with Isaac of Maiden Lane. cheers David Alexander Puycelsi France (ex Melbourne) Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JOSEPH families of London pre 1800 David Think we have corresponded in the past. I am missing a couple of JOSEPH siblings born London between 1784 and 1800 but do not know if there was a Jacob. The father was Isaac and he was one of the founders of the Maiden Lane Synagogue. Keira ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Dear Keira, Do you have Ester Joseph and her husband Jacob Joseph on your tree? Ester was the daughter of Joseph Levy of Carter Street, London. Joseph Levy died in 1835 and I guess that Ester was born shortly befotre 1800. David Alexander Puycelsi France. Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Maria JOSEPH Keira Lockyer Country Victoria, Australia. Researching the JOSEPH family of London pre 1800 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Perfect. Thank you, Ray. Jackye > Jackye, > My city is beautiful Melbourne. > I'm sorry I was unaware of the requirement. > Ray

Hi Ray, Sherry asked where you are for a reason. One of the few requirements we have on our list is that you sign your name AND location. We don't want your address - only the city. Thank you for your cooperation. Jackye Sullins Admin. Off Duty in Carlsbad, CA > Dear Sherry, > You ask where I am, for now lets just say I'm in Victoria and if you > wish any more than this I'd ask you to go to another email address > [rmbhart@gmail.com]. > My best wishes, Ray

Dear Listers, This my first time with you for a long time. I'm having difficulty finding the grave site of my g/g/grand father. His name; Zalig Solomon Hart b.1818. Married; #1 Mary Ann Joel on the 28/7/1844 at 2 Stoney Lane, Algate. #2 Hannah Myers on the 14/9/1878, in the Great Synagogue of London. He had 8 children by which wife I don't know. Questions. 1 Did Mary die? 2 If so when? 3 Who were the Joel and Myers families? 4 When did Hannah die? I was hoping that finding Zalig's grave site might go some way to answering my questions. I truely appreciate all help given and the time taken. Regards, Ray

Hi Sherry, Thanks for the help! I'm in New York, USA. If I order the naturalization papers will there be something on it that would indicate to me that this Henry Myers is the same as my Henry Myers (ie. father's name or current address)? --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > From: Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Myers / Liverpool / 1800s > To: g-leaves@yahoo.com, british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:56 AM > Kami, > > Welcome to the list. Please tell us where you are! > > I think there is a clue in the 1871 census for Alfred (Crab > & Lobster Hotel, > Ventnor, Hants.) because it says Nat Brit Sub. The fact > that you believe he > converted is immaterial as a Naturalisation application > will give you the > place of birth. That said, I can't find him on the > list. However, there is a > Henry from Russian Poland in June 1861, a Louis from > Prussia in Feb 1866 and > there is a Morris from Prussia in Aug 1869. See > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=Myers&txtfirstdate=1861&txtlastdate=1871&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsorttype=Reference&image1.x=46&image1.y=12 > > (This URL will split and you need to make sure you have it > all) BTW If > anyone suggests to me AGAIN using a site that makes URLs > smaller I will > scream, so please don't! > From the above link you can click on each item and then > have options to > order the items remotely or obviously visit if you are > close enough, hence > it helps to know where you are. > > HTH > Sherry (Duty Admin) in 23170, Viersat, FRANCE > > The info I have is: > > Lipman Myers, dates unknown, living in Prussia had > children: > 1- Henry Francis Myers (c.1811, Prussia – dec1864, > Clifton, England) > 2- Alfred Moritz Myers (c.1812, Prussia – 10feb1880, > England) > 3- Louis Myers (1820, Prussia – after 1861, England) > 4- “Several brothers and sisters” > > How would I take the tree back further? English marriage > certificates do not > list the mother's names. English death certificates do > not list parents > names. > > Most Jewish surname databases require the city or country > the family lived > in but Prussia never seems to be an option and could mean > Germany, Poland, > Lithuania or Russia.

Dear Ray, Welcome back. Again-please say where in Oz you are! Personally, I think you are asking the wrong questions in order to find the grave of Zalig HART. Presumably you know his death was registered in Dec qtr 1881 Hart Solomon Talig 67 Kensington 1a 6 Have you tried the US burials database or contacting them directly to see if they can find a burial plot for Solomon/Zalig? http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/burial_records or have you looked at Gaby and Angela's FABULOUS GenPals site http://www.genpals.co.uk/cemeteryproject/index.php Both of these are linked from our website www.british-jewry.org.uk where you will find other information and tips which may be of help. Question 1 You say did Mary Ann die, but surely if you have the marriage certificate for Zalig and Hannah you know that? Either it says widower or it says divorcee? Question 2 A bit of basic census research tells us that Mary Ann was alive and living as Zalig's wife in 1861 census. She's still there in 1871, the writing is terrible and she is indexed as Harmeth! But I checked it and it's definitely them. So, from that I searched the BMD deaths from March 1871 to Sept 1878, registered in Middlesex (I took a chance that she was not away from home). There are a few possible entries: Dec 1875 HART Mary Anne 43 Marylebone 1a 381 Mar 1876 HART Mary Ann 56 Shoreditch 1c 125 June 1876 Hart Mary 54 Whitechapel 1c 234 Mar 1878 HART Mary Ann 48 Marylebone 1a 444 Question 4 I don't see Hannah in 1891 census so guess she either died or remarried. There are some possible deaths for her in the period 1881-1891. Question 3 This is like asking how long is a piece of string. It's not a fair question. To start with how do we know which of the many JOEL and MYERS families you are referring to? We don't have the marriage details to know who the fathers of these women were, or where they were born or when (although as I have looked them up on the censuses I have some ideas, it's not fair to expect all list members to take the time to do this for you). Please be more specific. Hope this gives you some starting points and feel free to come back to us when you have more details to give us to try to help you. Best, Sherry (Duty Admin) in 23170 Viersat, FRANCE I'm having difficulty finding the grave site of my g/g/grand father. His name; Zalig Solomon Hart b.1818. Married; #1 Mary Ann Joel on the 28/7/1844 at 2 Stoney Lane, Algate. #2 Hannah Myers on the 14/9/1878, in the Great Synagogue of London. He had 8 children by which wife I don't know. Questions. 1 Did Mary die? 2 If so when? 3 Who were the Joel and Myers families? 4 When did Hannah die? I was hoping that finding Zalig's grave site might go some way to answering my questions.

Kami, Welcome to the list. Please tell us where you are! I think there is a clue in the 1871 census for Alfred (Crab & Lobster Hotel, Ventnor, Hants.) because it says Nat Brit Sub. The fact that you believe he converted is immaterial as a Naturalisation application will give you the place of birth. That said, I can't find him on the list. However, there is a Henry from Russian Poland in June 1861, a Louis from Prussia in Feb 1866 and there is a Morris from Prussia in Aug 1869. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=Myers&txtfirstdate=1861&txtlastdate=1871&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsorttype=Reference&image1.x=46&image1.y=12 (This URL will split and you need to make sure you have it all) BTW If anyone suggests to me AGAIN using a site that makes URLs smaller I will scream, so please don't! >From the above link you can click on each item and then have options to order the items remotely or obviously visit if you are close enough, hence it helps to know where you are. HTH Sherry (Duty Admin) in 23170, Viersat, FRANCE The info I have is: Lipman Myers, dates unknown, living in Prussia had children: 1- Henry Francis Myers (c.1811, Prussia – dec1864, Clifton, England) 2- Alfred Moritz Myers (c.1812, Prussia – 10feb1880, England) 3- Louis Myers (1820, Prussia – after 1861, England) 4- “Several brothers and sisters” How would I take the tree back further? English marriage certificates do not list the mother's names. English death certificates do not list parents names. Most Jewish surname databases require the city or country the family lived in but Prussia never seems to be an option and could mean Germany, Poland, Lithuania or Russia.

Hi all, I recently discovered a Jewish branch in my tree and am hoping someone can help me proceed as I have never done Jewish genealogy research before. The info I have is: Lipman Myers, dates unknown, living in Prussia had children: 1- Henry Francis Myers (c.1811, Prussia – dec1864, Clifton, England) 2- Alfred Moritz Myers (c.1812, Prussia – 10feb1880, England) 3- Louis Myers (1820, Prussia – after 1861, England) 4- “Several brothers and sisters” It may be possible Lipman's wife's maiden name was "Moritz" due to their son Alfred's middle name. All 3 sons moved to the Liverpool, England area. At least 2 of them converted to Christianity (the first two). How would I take the tree back further? English marriage certificates do not list the mother's names. English death certificates do not list parents names. Most Jewish surname databases require the city or country the family lived in but Prussia never seems to be an option and could mean Germany, Poland, Lithuania or Russia. *Any* info at all would be *greatly* apprecaited. Thanks! -- Kami

Dear All Naomi Barnett wrote <<Does anyone know if she is Jewish? I've tried Googling her but can't find any biographical information.>> Harvey Kaplan from the Scottish Jewish Archives Centre might know - his e mail is rvlkaplan@googlemail.com I know she writes Easy Peasy cookery books! Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON

I've been advised by a very sensible lister that I omitted vital information when I asked about Pru Irvine's background. The vital information relates to who made the programme. The programme is actually Grand DESIGNS not Grand Houses and it was made by Channel 4. Because I viewed it in Australia on the ABC I didn't realise the significance of needing to talk about the makers. Many thanks. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia <<Does anyone know if she is Jewish? I've tried Googling her but can't find any biographical information.>>

An off-genealogy question. I've just watched an episode of the programme Grand Houses which shows the home built by Pru Irvine and her husband Richard in Edinburgh. Does anyone know if she is Jewish? I've tried Googling her but can't find any biographical information. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia

THe JC began publication in 1841 (under a different name initially) and the on-line archives go back to this date. To see the sort of thing contained, go to www.thejc.com archives section and do a search. Without a subscription, you can still see which editions contain the word you are looking for (although the OCR tool is far from perfect, perhaps due to the type-face used for the paper?). What you see is an extract of the article/announcement, but it can be misleading as it will show phrases which are not necessarily consecutive on the actual page. With a subscription, as well as seeing the complete pages, you can also send links to pages to other people, so that they can see the page too, if they have the appropriate Adobe reader. I find it a fantastic resource, and good value, as I used to buy the JC every week from my newsagent anyway, and it actually works out cheaper with the subscription! It's more expensive overseas though. If you want a subscription but are not interested in receiving a copy of the weekly paper, you can nominate for it to be sent elsewhere I believe, eg a local old age home. Danielle Sanderson Bushey Researching MYERS, AARON (S), BEIRNSTEIN, FREEDMAN, HARRIS, STIBBE, VAN MILLINGEN, TAMUZ, WOOLFE etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeremy frankel" <jfrankel@lmi.net> To: "British Jewry" <BRITISH-JEWRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] BIRTH/MARRIAGE/DEATH NOTICES > Dear Genners, > > I don't think anyone has carried out a specific study, but I don't > think anyone would have been posting notices in the 1840s in the > Jewish Chronicle as it didn't begin publication until 1851.

I have been asked by the Chairman of JGSGB to pass on the following announcement, as list members may be interested in attending. As with any such "event", please don't ask me about it, as I don't know. Please make direct contact with the event organisers (see bottom of announcement). Enjoy! Sherry (23170, Viersat, France) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 15th ANNUAL ONE DAY CONFERENCE - JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF GREAT BRITAIN SUNDAY 26 OCTOBER 2008, London. The conference brings together three well known expert speakers, all of whom are leading practitioners of genealogical research and have fascinating stories to tell. - Dr Nick Barratt - Consultant Genealogist and Presenter of the BBC Who Do You Think You Are? Series, who will talk about Family History and the Media - Sharon Hintze - Director of the London Family History Centre, will cover Jewish Family History Resources on Exhibition Road (The London FHC) and through FamilySearch (including records such as the major London synagogues of the early-mid 19th century and the Knowles Anglo-Jewish Collection) - Else Churchill - The Genealogical Enquiries Officer of the Society of Genealogists will cover Resources for Jewish Family History at The Society of Genealogists In addition - Brian Godfrey of JGSGB will also speak. He was approached by a stranger who had been adopted by non-Jewish parents, to help unravel her Jewish past. With nothing other than her 1944 birth certificate, adoption papers and some vague notion of an address in the East End, Brian will explain the techniques he used to solve this mystery. An emotional story with lots of surprises along the way. There will also be: - Question and Answer Session with a Panel of Experts on The Future Direction of Genealogical Research; - Lunch with the Experts - Discuss your genealogical research with an expert genealogist at your table; - Genealogical Fair - Several well known exhibitors; - JGSGB Library (open for research immediately after the Conference). The Conference Newsletter containing full details about the event and a booking form is available at www.jgsgb.org.uk/JGSGB%202008%20Conference%20Newsletter%201.pdf and if you have any queries then please email 2008conference@jgsgb.org.uk .

Thanks Angela, That's my evening sorted out. Of course, if you have "A certain sat. service+" these things don't worry you as "it makes it so simple you just click a button"! (Hey if it works for Felicity Kendall who am I to argue?) Sherry (23170, Viersat, France) Listers in the UK may not be aware of an unfortunate clash in the BBC schedules with "Who do you Think you Are" featuring Esther Rantzen, going out at 9.0pm on BBC 1 and "God on Trial" set in Auschwitz and starring Antony Sher, Rupert Graves, Jack Shepherd and.Stephen Dillane. transmitting on BBC2 also at 9.0pm. Fortunately the BBC1 programme is repeated on BBC2 or Thursday at 7.0pm

Hello Angela, On http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Resource%20List.htm you'll find a link to and short explanation of the JC and what it contains. You normally had to be a certain class to announce in there. It cost quite a lot and so it wasn't your "everyday folk" who announced. It's interesting to see that as families became more settled and got more financially secure they started to announce. HTH Sherry (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) I have been wondering whether my ancestors would have made announcements of their births marriages and deaths in the Jewish Chronicle. They were members of the Great Synagogue in London in the 1840's and some but not all of their records were registered there. Could anyone tell me what information is contained/available in publications such as the Jewish Chronicle and how this is accessed. I would be very interested to learn what others have been able to glean from this.

Hi I have been wondering whether my ancestors would have made announcements of their births marriages and deaths in the Jewish Chronicle. They were members of the Great Synagogue in London in the 1840's and some but not all of their records were registered there. Could anyone tell me what information is contained/available in publications such as the Jewish Chronicle and how this is accessed. I would be very interested to learn what others have been able to glean from this. Regards Angela Wilkinson OTLEY, ENGLAND MYERS, Poland ISAACS, London