>Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I > have anything.< Caveat for Joel researchers: There were two more or less contemporaneous Daniel Joels. Since Ray's was alive in 1841, he is evidently not the Daniel Joel Hardwareman of Houndsditch , died City of London Date 23 August 1822, but, as far as I can tell, the Daniel Joel who died 1880 age 92 Angela

>I have also tried the 1851 site but I am sure there are a few errors there on Martines.< Peter, If you know of any errors regarding this family, do please contact Petra via the website. I know she will be pleased to have your imput. Angela

Dear sherry, dont have any on the list. I have filled in a form but somehow I cant manage to transfer it to submit it to you. Next Friday I have someone coming to helpe with the computer and will ask him to help me to do this, best wishes, Louise> >

Will do. apologies ;ouise ----- Original Message ----- > > > > --

Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I have anything. Bill Joel At 09:17 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: >Now for some really exciting news! I knew I ought to have it somewhere >and now I have found it - here is Daniel Joel's marriage at the New >Synagogue > >NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] >COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] >JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob > >So you now have the family name for Daniel's wife. With a name like >COHEN it will be difficult to >take this line further back (!!!) but there may be someone out there who >has researched this line who could help. <snip>

Dear All I am searching for the son of Rachel/Rose HYMANSON nee OGIN. Rachel married Emanuel in Stepney, 1929. He was killed in action during WW11. Rachel/Rose may have passed away in 1996 or 2000. Thanks Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON

Dear All I am searching for Rachel/Ray GOLDWITZ who married Marks OGIN(1873-1955)in Stepney,1934. Rachel had a daughter from a previous relationship who married a GINSBURG. I have been told that Rachel was Polish. This was Marks 2nd marriage, his 1st wife was Esther HAR YUDA/HIATT/HUNT and she died in 1932. Thanks Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON

Dear B.Jers Many of you have taken up my cause and I'm grateful to all. One of your number is Angela and at her suggestion I'm going to include in this email a cut and paste from a note she has sent me. She sent me the following and as you see she advises me to keep you updated. " Now for some really exciting news! I knew I ought to have it somewhere and now I have found it - here is Daniel Joel's marriage at the New Synagogue NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob So you now have the family name for Daniel's wife. With a name like COHEN it will be difficult to take this line further back (!!!) but there may be someone out there who has researched this line who could help. Since Daniel Joel's son Jacob was born c 1825, that suggests that Jacob Joel senior died sometime before that. Although it isn't an absolute rule that a grandfather would have been dead for a grandchild to have been named for him, if often is a clue I have not copied this to the list, but you might want to let them have this new information as it may help someone to help you - which is what the list is all about" My best to all, Ray

Sherry, My Kassimoff family arent on the list ............ 1905- +/-2000 Whenever you have time, please add this.  Thanks. Shavua tov (good week) Angie Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: Morning! I have just updated the surnames lists: http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Surname%20List.htm Sherry

Dear Ray, I have several entries for the name Jacob Joel on my database. They are from the Old Bailey and the London Gazette. The Old Bailey records are from 1769 and 1788 (ref. t17690510-41 & t17780115-10) and the Gazette for May 1813 (ref 16728). The latter Jacob Joel was living in Newport and was a jeweller, shopkeeper dealer and chapman. David Alexander Puycelsi France (ex Melbourne) Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Zalig Hart, JOELS and the COHENS NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob Since Daniel Joel's son Jacob was born c 1825, that suggests that Jacob Joel senior died sometime before that. Although it isn't an absolute rule that a grandfather would have been dead for a grandchild to have been named for him, if often is a clue ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hi Louise, I am afraid it doesn't work like this :-) YOU have to check the lists to see if I have all your names and then, if I don't YOU have to fill a form out and send it to me. I am sorry, but you can appreciate that if I do it for you, I'd have to do it for everybody and there are currently over 600 entries there...and I like to eat and sleep and do other things! Best, Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) I dont know what surnames youhave of mine. If there are any in the following that you donot have on your list, could you update them for me.

Afternoon, I have received some more surnames to add to the list (this happens every time I announce an update: people suddenly remember and mail me more). I'll hold these until Sunday and then I will upload them so if you have entries you want me to include please email them to me ASAP. Second thing is that it's great that we have had a flood of emails over the last couple of days BUT we are generating a lot of "waste" because we are becoming a bit slack with our snipping (again). This is a friendly reminder that we have a rule which asks you to snip out everything but the pertinent text on the original email when replying to the list. Digest readers find it particularly annoying to see the same email repeated in replies. You know it's one of my personal bug bears which means you also know that if you don't heed this reminder the next one won't be so friendly! That said, have a good weekend. Shabbat Shalom, Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) NB When replying to this email please remember to remove the word ADMIN from the subject line

Dear Sherry, I dont know what surnames youhave of mine. If there are any in the following that you donot have on your list, could you update them for me. with love, Louise HART, ABENDANA, RODRIGUES RIBEIRO, GELBBERG, GILBERG, SUSSMAN, PRINCE, JACOBS, NUNES MARTINES, MIZRAHI, COHEN ( went to Somerset, East. S. Africa), LEVY GREEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson" <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:19 PM if you have entries > you want me to include please email them to me ASAP.

Sherry, Ok that's good it crossed my my that it might have been as you suggested a ploy on the part of JC. I'll go back to guessing tomorrow. It is getting close to 5pm now, time for me to call it quits for the day. I hunted around for a copy of Adobe 7 today and downloaded. Why 7 and not stay with 8....Well I thought it just might work better, silly things have been true with software before. Ray [Australia] Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson wrote: > That's what happens on the JC Archive site when you are not subscribed. You > have to "guess" from what you can see on the index search. Normally you get > a couple of lines from the paper with a few bits missing or funny symbols > because the OCR indexing process is not perfect but you can usually take a > reasonable guess at what the item says/should say for example if it read > fissnanger you would guess fishmonger from what you already know. > > Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) > > I'm supposed to have Adobe 8, but when I go to the JC site and bring up > a search for Zalig and go to the achive and ask for page one the single > page comes up with strips missing. > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Dear Peter, It was interesting to see your letter as I am researching the Abendana family who are cousins and married into the Nunes Martines Some go back together to the Rodrigues Ribeiro family and our joint great great (manytimes) grandparents are Palomba Mizrachi married to RODRIGUES RIBEIRO It is a very complicated family and they are Spanish Portuguese origin. The names are repeated continually and their records can be found in the Bevis Marks Records, Births, marriages, Kutuzov and Deaths and Cemetery records. There are certain members who have fuller trees that I have and I find it all totally overwhelming but wonderful. My great great step grandmother was Rachel NUNES MARTINES who married her cousin RAPHAEL ABENDANA after his first wife Jessie ISRAEL died. Their common ancestor was Palomba MIZRAHI who married a RODRIGUES RIBEIRO. I cannot search at the moment, but perhaps next week will try to look at my books. With best wishes andlots of good luck, Louise in London ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au> To: "british-jewry" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > Dear all, > some time ago I noticed mention on the list of Aaron NUNES MARTINES. > I have been steadily adding to my Tree and seem to be getting nonwhere > much,although I have just discovered that he may well be my3x GGrfather. > I now have himas married to Benvenida \ Welcome de Joseph.Her farher seems > to be Josepf nunes Martines. Constant name changes Mixed with Hebrew names > and Patronymics mahe this an endless nightmare to try and unravel.Does > anyone have any further info on the family. > I take it that they were Sehardi's because of the Potuguese name,although > I have foun Hannah MARTIN who was almost definitely the dahgter of Aaron > and married in the gs on 30 aug 1835. > I cna only assume that she was married at least three times ,but I cannot > match the spouses. > Any further info would be much appreciated. > Hannah was the Mother of my Great grandmother Welcome who married Philip > Nelson,again in the GS. > 18 Jan 1854. > again I need help trcing Philip as I can't find anything for him in any > census.they left London on 06 Jan 1859 for Melbourne aboard the Prince of > Wales,arriving in Melbourne in March of that year. > All very frustrating and I hope some kind soul out there can clear up a > few mystries fo me > Kind regards > Peter Nelson Sydney > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: > 10/09/2008 06:00 > >

Danielle, I'm supposed to have Adobe 8, but when I go to the JC site and bring up a search for Zalig and go to the achive and ask for page one the single page comes up with strips missing. I really can't make out what I think would be useful and what might be useful. Sorry to be a drag. Regarding the certificates I'm trying to understand what your intention is. There are some marriages you are not sure of and you are thinking of ordering those and would email me a copy is that correct? Hows the training going? Did I tell what a beautiful photo that was, chaming and nice to see the person I speak now and again. Best wishes, Ray Sanderson Family wrote: > Dear Ray, > If you look in the index of the JC archives (www.thejc.com then go to the > Archives) and tell me what pages you are interested in I can look them up. I > have already looked Zalig up in the JC, and most of the references are > simply adverts for his work. But if you spot snippets that look of > particular interest, tell me which and I'll check them again. If you have > Adobe Reader V7 I can e-mail you a link to the page and you can see it as > you would if you had a subscription. Obviously this is only permissible for > a few articles. > > If you don't have any BMD certificates for Zalig, I will order and scan for > you a couple. The ones that have a tenuous link to my tree are the two > marriages, so I would be happy to order those at least. In case other > BJ-listers are linked, this is my understanding of Zalig and his siblings. > Descendants of Moshe Ha Cohen Hart > > > > 1 Moshe Ha Cohen Hart d: Bef. 1841 in Whitechapel > > . +Leah Benjamin b: 1796 in Whitechapel m: 21 Feb 1819 in Great Synagogue > > ........ 2 Zalig (Solomon) Hart b: 1813 in Whitechapel, Middlesex d: 17 Oct > 1881 > > ............ +Mary (Miriam) Joel b: 1816 in Aldgate, Middx m: 28 Jul 1844 in > Great Synagogue d: 29 Dec 1869 > > ........ *2nd Wife of Zalig (Solomon) Hart: > > ............ +Hannah Myers b: 1831 in Middlesex m: 14 Sep 1870 in City of > London > > ........ 2 Sarah Hart b: 1820 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Lipman Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel > > ............ +Hannah/Abigail/Emma > > ........ 2 Benjamin Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Rachel Hart b: 1827 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Judah Hart b: 1831 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Michael Hart b: 1834 in Whitechapel > > ............ +Elizabeth Isaacs m: 18 Sep 1859 in Great Synagogue > > ........ 2 Joseph Hart b: 1838 in Whitechapel > > Danielle Sanderson > BUSHEY, HERTS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hart" <rmbhart@alphalink.com.au> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:34 AM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JC Lookup Please > > > >> Listers, >> Would any one be able to do a lookup in the Jewish Chronical for >> anything on Zalig Hart [fishmonger]please? He very likely would be my >> g/g/grandfather. >> He had a connection to the Great Synagogue of London. My g/grandfather >> Benjamin [b1851] was married in the GSL in 1875 before bringing his >> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Sherry, Interesting Lionel and I email chat from time to time. Ray [Victoria, Australia] Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson wrote: >> My city is beautiful Melbourne. >> > > See, now I can bang on about the Storm as well as genealogy, could life get > more perfect? ;-) We have a sub-group in Melbourne, they will be interested > to know you are there too. See http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Gallery.htm > > Sherry (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thank you, Sherry. Sherry Landa and Russell Johnson wrote: > Dear Ray, > > Victoria, is fine. We don't expect your full street address, in fact, it's > actively discouraged for safety reasons! It just helps to know who can go > where for what. Now we know you can't go anywhere we'll give the same advice > as we do for anyone without facilities on their doorstep (i.e those in > Middle East are not sent to their nearest LDS library as they don't have > one!) > > We all find the price of certificates shocking. Sadly, in UK some things you > only get from a certificate and some things you don't get from them so it's > a question of buying wisely. There are lots of people here who will do free > census look ups etc for you-if you ask. What you need to do, is just tell > people what you know (i.e. I know she died/was divorced between 1871 and the > date of the remarriage, because I have her in the 1871 census OR I would > like to find her in the censuses before 1878 so I can narrow down her > death/divorce etc). > > Best wishes, > Sherry (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) > > You ask where I am, for now lets just say I'm in Victoria <snip> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Dear all, some time ago I noticed mention on the list of Aaron NUNES MARTINES. I have been steadily adding to my Tree and seem to be getting nonwhere much,although I have just discovered that he may well be my3x GGrfather. I now have himas married to Benvenida \ Welcome de Joseph.Her farher seems to be Josepf nunes Martines. Constant name changes Mixed with Hebrew names and Patronymics mahe this an endless nightmare to try and unravel.Does anyone have any further info on the family. I take it that they were Sehardi's because of the Potuguese name,although I have foun Hannah MARTIN who was almost definitely the dahgter of Aaron and married in the gs on 30 aug 1835. I cna only assume that she was married at least three times ,but I cannot match the spouses. Any further info would be much appreciated. Hannah was the Mother of my Great grandmother Welcome who married Philip Nelson,again in the GS. 18 Jan 1854. again I need help trcing Philip as I can't find anything for him in any census.they left London on 06 Jan 1859 for Melbourne aboard the Prince of Wales,arriving in Melbourne in March of that year. All very frustrating and I hope some kind soul out there can clear up a few mystries fo me Kind regards Peter Nelson Sydney