If it would help, I have a whole load of Nunes Martines in my tree, i can open gedcom, and match it against mine, and create new NM ged with all my info added to yours if your interested. Most of my info came from the Bevis Marks records. regards Josev King

Dear Peter, Rosemary is g ing to ask Joan Holness a NM expert when she returns. Perhaps you had better send me what you have on the NMs in some format so that I can check it on mine. I am not sure how a Gedcom works. I have my system on Dorot. what i dont want is to receive it and get it tacked onto my tree. If it can stand alone, or if you can send me a linear report, that would help. I actually have a vague feeling that Benvenida might be a sister of my great great s tep granndmother Rachel who was married to Raphael Abendana. Dont be too hopeful as ti could be a cousin as they are both no 4 on thelist of hundreds. With best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > >>> Dear Louise, > thankyou for the info and will try running it in my tree today. I may be > able to access the records through AJGS here > will let you know how I go > regards > Peter >> > >> >> >> >> were.r >> >> Our website is at >> www.british-jewry.org.uk >> We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. >> >> British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: > 13/09/2008 12:50 > >

Thanks Jeremy. I have just put a hold on this book at the library. > there is a hefty offering (630 pages) entitled > Canada's Jews: A People's Journey, by Gerald Tulchinsky. It was > published by the University of Toronto in 2008. The ISBN is > 978-0-8020-9062-1 (cloth). > >

David - Do you know who Isaac JOSEPH was? Common name but I have a 4xg grandfather by that name who was around at that time. Keira, Country Victoria, Australia. From: <caddack@aol.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Zalig Hart, JOELS and the COHENS > > Yes, there are two of them. The Daniel Joel who died in 1822 was > married to (or lived with) Sarah Chambers. His executors were Samuel > Yates and Isaac Joseph. > >

G'day all. I am searching for any of the name Morwitch, in England. Some brick walls have arisen, but I still feel certain that there are relatives of brothers Samuel, Abraham Henry and Lyons Morwitch that I have not found. There is reference to Raphael Morwitch, father of Dora who married Abraham Jacobs in the 1901 census. I would welcome any assistance offered to work back up this family line. Also, I wonder if somebody would help me at their convenience. I am looking for somebody who may be travelling to Willesden (Liberal) cemetery. According to the Jewish Chronicle, Henry Morwitch died on the 10th of April 1907, and a memorial stone was set on the 20th of October 1907. I have no notion of the monument set by his wife Sophia, or a location for his grave. I would like a high resolution digital photograph of the grave of Henry Morwitch that allows us to read any inscription on the stone, and a wider shot of the whole monument. I have also been unable to ascertain the death details or location of burial of Sophia Morwitch, Henry's wife. The Jewish Chronicles ran a notice in the Wills and Bequests section in 1933 - "Mrs Sophia Morwitch, of 1 Madeira Court, Madeira Place, Brighton, who left estate of the gross value of £19,881, after making various bequests, left the residue of her property to the Brighton Jewish Synagogue subject to the erection of a suitably inscribed memorial to her husband and herself." Could somebody suggest a method or point of contact that might reveal this information or help me with same ? Any and all assistance received with gratitude. Scott Morwitch Brisbane Queensland Australia P.S. I am willing to photograph gravestones anywhere in Brisbane in return for assistance. Due to work commitments my only available window is on Sunday mornings, which sadly precludes trips to archives etc.

Dear Genners, As the new semester at the university has begun, so has my monthly ritual to inspect the offerings on the New Book shelf and see if there is something of genealogical interest. I was not to be disappointed as there is a hefty offering (630 pages) entitled Canada's Jews: A People's Journey, by Gerald Tulchinsky. It was published by the University of Toronto in 2008. The ISBN is 978-0-8020-9062-1 (cloth). Tulchinsky divides the history into four parts: 1768-1890; 1890-1919; 1919-1939; and 1940-2008.. The author was born in Canada in 1933 and so he has experienced growing up Jewish personally. There is only one table: one that depicts the Jewish population in selected cities from 1891 to 2001. There are also two inserted section of black and white photographs. Looking at the index pages, there are quite a number of names listed, but these are probably folks who were more than likely the movers and shakers as opposed to being our ancestors, though no doubt someone can claim them. As most of the library books lack a dustjacket, I was not able to read of Tulchinsky's credentials, but the publisher's web site describes him as a professor emeritus in the Department of History at Queen's University. -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

1851 Census Bristol, Temple: HO107; Piece: 1947; Folio: 291; Page: 40 6 Temple St., Abraham MORWITCH, Head, U 24, jeweller, Germany Henry MORWITCH, Brother, U 20, jeweller, Germany Not yet located in the other censuses...sometimes the search facilities leave a little to be desired (or we need Jeremy et al who can find ANYTHING). Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) I don't have access to 1851 census and can't find them in 1841 or 1861.

< but can't because Jewishgen seems to be down > Thank you for confirming that Jewishgen is down - I have been trying to log on to reactivate my mailings after being away but couldn't get onto the website. Thought it was just me . . . Beverly Bergman Camberley UK

I have access to 1851, so I will look. I limited my earlier search to 1891...silly me! The whole 'net is being very slow for me today (despite restarting my lap top)! Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) If thery are the right ones, then they were in UK earlier than perhaps you had imagined I don't have access to 1851 census and can't find them in 1841 or 1861. Perhaps only here temporarily? Angela - who wants to consult Jeffery Maynard's London Jews database but can't because Jewishgen seems to be down and who therefore has time on her hands.

Dear Keira, This Isaac Joseph lived in St. James Place, London and was a Coffeehouse Keeper. I was also curious becuase I am searching for a Jacob Joseph!!! David Puycelsi, France (ex Melbourne) Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JOELS and Isaac Joseph David - Do you know who Isaac JOSEPH was? Common name but I have a 4xg grandfather by that name who was around at that time. Keira, Country Victoria, Australia. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

G'day Scott, Wills are relatively easy to get hold of and I urge you to do so, because the information in them IMHO is fabulous. You often get relatives you never knew existed and our ancestors were much better than us at knowing precise relationships, so if they say "my 3rd cousin" that is exactly what they mean. See http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/beyondbasics/wills.htm for information on how to get the will of Sophia. I have looked in the 1891 census but can't find any entries that match so I suspect that they did not arrive in UK until after 1891. Congrats to Broncos in play-offs and don't mention NZ to anyone from Melbourne (sorry guys-I have a man in the house who was wearing a Storm shirt and a Warriors cap-most conflicted ;-)) Best wishes Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) I am searching for any of the name Morwitch, in England. Some brick walls have arisen, but I still feel certain that there are relatives of brothers Samuel, Abraham Henry and Lyons Morwitch that I have not found. There is reference to Raphael Morwitch, father of Dora who married Abraham Jacobs in the 1901 census. I would welcome any assistance offered to work back up this family line. The Jewish Chronicles ran a notice in the Wills and Bequests section in 1933 - "Mrs Sophia Morwitch, of 1 Madeira Court, Madeira Place, Brighton, who left estate of the gross value of £19,881, after making various bequests, left the residue of her property to the Brighton Jewish Synagogue subject to the erection of a suitably inscribed memorial to her husband and herself." Could somebody suggest a method or point of contact that might reveal this information or help me with same ?

Dear Peter, not everything is n the 1851 site. I still have loads to send them i.e HART, ABENDANA, GILBERG , etc. I think the Bevis Marks REcords are available at the Mormons (Latter Day Saiants) Ihave a set and can do look ups, but not today. I found a list of Descendents of Jose Nunes Martines from 19 May 2003. On it is Benvenida Martin born? died 1852 married 1784 Aaron Martin born 13 Jan. 1756 died 1832 they had 6 chldren. Joseph, Moses, Abraham who married Rachel Dias, David who married Leah Rodrigues Ribeiro ( I think the sister of my great great grandmother etc) an unnamed son and Abigail who married Joseph Martin in 1776. Benvenido had brother Solomon born 1781 . She seems tohave varous brothers and sisters and I need to trace them all back to see who their parents were which will take time. I think Rosemary Wenzerul who writes boosk for JGSGB might be able to help and I have left a message on her telephone. I hope you can wait patiently. with bet wishes, Louise in London were.r

1852/1853 Slaters Directory of Berkshire, Cornwall, Devon, Dorsetshire Gloucestshire etc Bristol, Watch & Clock Makers 8 Temple Street, Abraham Morwitch 1851 Mathews' Bristol & Clifton Directory Abraham Morwitch, Watch and Clockmaker and Jeweller, 8 Temple Street 1851 Hunt & Co's Directory of Bristol & South Wales similar to 1850 1850 Hunt & Co's Directory of Bristol & South Wales Abraham Morwich Watchmaker 5 Temple Street Since the material for these directories would have had to have been submitted at least 6-12 month's earlier, it is safe to say that Abraham would have been established in Bristol by at the latest 1849 - possibly earlier Angela

Ray, Alas, my database has no listings for Daniel JOEL. For the record, my JOELs come from London. - Bill Joel At 08:43 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote: >Bill, >Thank you and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. >Regards, Ray

Dear Danielle, Hope all is good with you. Do you who Moses Hart's father was? I have been trying to tie up this family with mine for a long time. I have been told that the early Ha Cohen Hart's were all one family, also Moses Ha Cohen Hart and my 3x greatgrandfather Michael Ha Cohen Hart were both fishmongers living next door to each other, too many coincidences but no proof. I hope that you can shed some light for me. Take care. Kind regards Georgie > Descendants of Moshe Ha Cohen Hart > > > > 1 Moshe Ha Cohen Hart d: Bef. 1841 in Whitechapel > > . +Leah Benjamin b: 1796 in Whitechapel m: 21 Feb 1819 in Great Synagogue > > ........ 2 Zalig (Solomon) Hart b: 1813 in Whitechapel, Middlesex d: 17 > Oct > 1881 > > ............ +Mary (Miriam) Joel b: 1816 in Aldgate, Middx m: 28 Jul 1844 > in > Great Synagogue d: 29 Dec 1869 > > ........ *2nd Wife of Zalig (Solomon) Hart: > > ............ +Hannah Myers b: 1831 in Middlesex m: 14 Sep 1870 in City of > London > > ........ 2 Sarah Hart b: 1820 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Lipman Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel > > ............ +Hannah/Abigail/Emma > > ........ 2 Benjamin Hart b: 1826 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Rachel Hart b: 1827 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Judah Hart b: 1831 in Whitechapel > > ........ 2 Michael Hart b: 1834 in Whitechapel > > ............ +Elizabeth Isaacs m: 18 Sep 1859 in Great Synagogue > > ........ 2 Joseph Hart b: 1838 in Whitechapel > > Danielle Sanderson > BUSHEY, HERTS

Dear Louise, Anything you may find on this family or the Nelson Family would be very much appreiated. It seems impossible to search any Bevis Marks Records on the Web,unless you know of something out there. I have also tried the 1851 site but I am sure there are a few errors there on Martines.It's all so confusing with these family intermarriages and I am really at a loss - not even sure that what little I have managed to obtain is correct anymore. I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. I don not know what software you use but I could perhaps send a GEDCOM file for what I have if you feel the need. Regards , Peter Nelson. Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au> > To: "british-jewry" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 AM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > >> >> >> -- >>

Bill, Thank you and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Regards, Ray Bill Joel wrote: > Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I > have anything. > > Bill Joel > > At 09:17 PM 9/12/2008, you wrote: > >> Now for some really exciting news! I knew I ought to have it somewhere >> and now I have found it - here is Daniel Joel's marriage at the New >> Synagogue >> >> NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] >> COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] >> JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob >> >> So you now have the family name for Daniel's wife. With a name like >> COHEN it will be difficult to >> take this line further back (!!!) but there may be someone out there who >> has researched this line who could help. >> > > <snip> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Power is out in Houston because of Hurricane Ike, that's why JewishGen is not accessible. Carol Freeman Potomac MD -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BP Bergman Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:22 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JewishGen < but can't because Jewishgen seems to be down > Thank you for confirming that Jewishgen is down - I have been trying to log on to reactivate my mailings after being away but couldn't get onto the website. Thought it was just me . . . Beverly Bergman Camberley UK Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I am searching for any of the name Morwitch, in England. Some brick walls have arisen, but I still feel certain that there are relatives of brothers Samuel, Abraham Henry and Lyons Morwitch that I have not found. There is reference to Raphael Morwitch, father of Dora who married Abraham Jacobs< London Gazette has two interesting references for a Samuel & an Abraham Morwitch in Bristol in 1853 _http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.aspx?pdf=21468&geotype=London&gpn=23 00&type=ArchivedIssuePage&all=morwitch&exact=&atleast=&similar_ (http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.aspx?pdf=21468&geotype=London&gpn=2300&type=Archiv edIssuePage&all=morwitch&exact=&atleast=&similar) = _http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.aspx?pdf=21472&geotype=London&gpn=24 42&type=ArchivedIssuePage&all=morwitch&exact=&atleast=&similar_ (http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ViewPDF.aspx?pdf=21472&geotype=London&gpn=2442&type=Archiv edIssuePage&all=morwitch&exact=&atleast=&similar) = If thery are the right ones, then they were in UK earlier than perhaps you had imagined I don't have access to 1851 census and can't find them in 1841 or 1861. Perhaps only here temporarily? There is an 1855 birth for a Lazarus Morwitch and an 1861 for an Abraham Moritschy boot and shoemaker age 44 b Krakow with son Lazarus M age 7 born Southwark (not Whitechapel)and they are then living in Brighton Angela - who wants to consult Jeffery Maynard's London Jews database but can't because Jewishgen seems to be down and who therefore has time on her hands.

Yes, there are two of them. The Daniel Joel who died in 1822 was married to (or lived with) Sarah Chambers. His executors were Samuel Yates and Isaac Joseph. David Puycelsi France Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Zalig Hart, JOELS and the COHENS >Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I > have anything.< Caveat for Joel researchers: There were two more or less contemporaneous Daniel Joels. Since Ray's was alive in 1841, he is evidently not the Daniel Joel Hardwareman of Houndsditch , died City of London Date 23 August 1822, but, as far as I can tell, the Daniel Joel who died 1880 age 92 Angela ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.