Hello all , Does anyone have any information on COHEN families living in the Berkshire area c.1812 & before ....or is anyone able to suggest where I might look for that information. I have a James Cohen born at Windsor, Berkshire, 24/07/1796 & I have been unable to find anything further regarding his background, anywhere ....I assume he is Jewish as his Service Record consistently reads Cohen - with an 'H', though on leaving the Army he is mostly recorded as Co*w*en. It has to be said that Berkshire doesn't seem to have many Cohen's anyway ... It is also surprising [I think] that inspite of ' very good ' throughout the pages of his Service Record, James [ G'pa x4] remained a Private . The Regiments he served with were also very good ones i.e The Royal Marines in 1812 & The Rifle Brigade in 1815 . He served in all for 25 yrs:...would anyone know if the Army might have discriminated against him on the basis of his name & so caused him to remain a Private. I think it is perhaps also unusual, to find a Jewish 'Brush-maker' [ as he was in Berkshire]joining the Army aged 15... in 1812 ????? Thankyou Catherine Swansea/Wales

Dear Ray, I 'phoned the United Synagogue Burial office, who tried very hard to locate Zalig's grave (date of death 17/10/1881, poss forenames Zalig/Zelig/Solomon) but to no avail. His infant grandson Zalig Lionel Hart was buried at Willesden, about 10 years later, but we can't infer the grandfather's cemetery from that. I wonder if he could have been buried by the Federation or Progressive movements? I have realised also that the Zalig Hart I had on my tree as the son of Zalig, is actually his grandson, son of Morris/Moses and Martha nee Aaron. The squiggel on the census says g/son. I'll contact you separately about further research I've been doing. Danielle Sanderson BUSHEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hart" <rmbhart@alphalink.com.au> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JC Lookup Please > Listers, > Would any one be able to do a lookup in the Jewish Chronical for > anything on Zalig Hart [fishmonger]please? He very likely would be my > g/g/grandfather. > He had a connection to the Great Synagogue of London.

You'll see from a project I am about to complete and upload, that this is absolutely true. Even for non-Jews it often happened, based on the need for Banns for be read in the parish of both parties (so two sets of fees if two parishes). I understand there were even "houses of convenience" which served to help couples by providing an address for them. We think weddings being expensive is a new thing...it's not! It was extremely stupid of the paper to imply impropriety based on such flimsy evidence, but then I could bang on about the state of "press" for another hour-my grandfather and great-uncle (both journalists) will be spinning in their graves (I suggest people avoid Willesden if they suffer from any form of dizziness) ;-) Best Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) Re Brian Diamond's posting:

----- Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] snipping nunes martines. > Aplogies. I was working on this half the night and so exited that I forgot > to snip when IB put it on line. apoligies, louise

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <BRITISH-JEWRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > >> Dear Peter, >> I have e licated the following from a hard copy of the nunes martines >> tree >> and cross referenced some Bevis Marks Records . There is much more. > > Benvenida Nunes Martines 1852 married 1794 Aaron de Joseph Martin (729) > born 13 Jan 1756 died 1832. >> Benvenida was the daughter of Joseph de Abraham Martin and Agar de Aron >> Mendoza >> Joseph's parents were Abraham de Joseph Martin and Abigail de Abraham >> Rodrigues Ribeiro > >> Abraham's parents were Jose Nunez Martinez married Sarah Nunes Cardoza >> . >> they married in 1716. Sarah's parents were Moses Cardoza who married >> Rachel Chaves in 1698 >> >> Benvenida had a brother Solomon who died in 1784 and a sister Sarah who >> married Joseph Belasco in 1792. there were other siblings if searched >> for.. >> >> Benvenida and Aaron Martin had the following children: >> Joseph b. 1787 >> Moses b. 1791 >> Abraham who m arried Rachel Dias in 1796 >> David who married Leah ( Luna )de David Rodrigues Ribeiro and was the >> widow of Hananel Nunes Carvalho >> A son >> Abigail who married 1832 Joseph Martin. >> >> As for the names and spelling. Sometimes they are spelt Martines, or >> Martinez, with or without the Nunes. Sometimes they are referred to as >> Martin for quickness or secular documents. > Spelling can vary within a record i.e the ketuva reading and the index can > vary. i.e. Rodrigues Ribeiro could be >> spelt Riveiro as in the Index to the Bevis marks Ketuvot book. By the >> time a name names had been translated from Spanish or Portuguese into >> Hebrew or Ladino and back again, and then crossed the channel to be >> translated into an English version it often bore little resemblance to >> the original. As you can see from this long sentence! >> I spent much time seaching for my great great grandparents Joseph >> Abendana > and Esther Rodorigues Ribeiro and found them under Bendahan. >> Later archives proved their name was Abendana. >> >> Its one big detective story. Good luck, Louise in London researching >> still > >> ABENDANA, RODRIGUES RIBEIRO, HART, PRINCE, COHEN(Somerset East and >> Memmel)GILBERG, GELBBERG, LEVY GREEN >> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >

Dear Genners, although I have been able to make progress laterally and descendently ( is there such a word?), I am still stuck with Joseph Abendana (Joseph de Moseh Bendahan) married to Esther Rodrigues Ribeiro and cannot go beyond Joseph. No amount of sideways searching can tell me who Joseph was and where he came from or if, as my great uncle S.RAbendana wrote in the Jewish Chronicle, in 1850, he was the grandson of the scholar Isaac Abendana of Oxford and Cambridge ( brother the Haham Jacob). In the Bevis Marks records there is a Joseph Abendana who was a Rubi, a kind of teacher at the Jewish school, but I don't know if he is the same person. I have not yet searched beyond England, but the alternative name of Abendana and sometimes Bendahan could give some clues. The natural place would be Holland, Hamburg or Spain and Portugal as I know that the Abendanas were Marranos, but I cant make an immediate link within England. Has anyone any suggestions? Louise still in London

This one is not so friendly and serves to be the second and final reminder to ALL that if you don't snip then you risk being moderated. I have just filed 4 digests and have not even been off-line for 24 hours. The mail is great-the repetition is NOT. Please be advised that my fuse is burning out. Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) NB When replying to this email please remember to remove the word ADMIN from the subject line

Aplogies. I was working on this half the night and so exited that i forgot to snip when i put it on line. apoligies, louise

From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > Dear Peter, > I have e licated the following from a hard copy of the nunes martines tree > and cross referenced some Bevis Marks Records . There is much more. Benvenida Nunes Martines 1852 married 1794 Aaron de Joseph Martin (729) born 13 Jan 1756 died 1832. > Benvenida was the daughter of Joseph de Abraham Martin and Agar de Aron > Mendoza > Joseph's parents were Abraham de Joseph Martin and Abigail de Abraham > Rodrigues Ribeiro > Abraham's parents were Jose Nunez Martinez married Sarah Nunes Cardoza . > they married in 1716. Sarah's parents were Moses Cardoza who married > Rachel Chaves in 1698 > > Benvenida had a brother Solomon who died in 1784 and a sister Sarah who > married Joseph Belasco in 1792. there were other siblings if searched > for.. > > Benvenida and Aaron Martin had the following children: > Joseph b. 1787 > Moses b. 1791 > Abraham who m arried Rachel Dias in 1796 > David who married Leah ( Luna )de David Rodrigues Ribeiro and was the > widow of Hananel Nunes Carvalho > A son > Abigail who married 1832 Joseph Martin. > > As for the names and spelling. Sometimes they are spelt Martines, or > Martinez, with or without the Nunes. Sometimes they are referred to as > Martin for quickness or secular documents. Spelling can vary within a record i.e the ketuva reading and the index can vary. i.e. Rodrigues Ribeiro could be > spelt Riveiro as in the Index to the Bevis marks Ketuvot book. By the > time a name names had been translated from Spanish or Portuguese into > Hebrew or Ladino and back again, and then crossed the channel to be > translated into an English version it often bore little resemblance to > the original. As you can see from this long sentence! > I spent much time seaching for my great great grandparents Joseph > Abendana > and Esther Rodorigues Ribeiro and found them under Bendahan. > Later archives proved their name was Abendana. > > Its one big detective story. Good luck, Louise in London researching > still > ABENDANA, RODRIGUES RIBEIRO, HART, PRINCE, COHEN(Somerset East and > Memmel)GILBERG, GELBBERG, LEVY GREEN > >>>> >> >> >

On 10 Sept "The Times" published a small news item re the proposed new internet archive project, mentioning Britney Spears. I sent a letter to the newspaper, it was not published;I give it below for any further comment from this mailbase. Letters Editor, The Times Sir You report [Sept 10, p23] that Britney Spears' parents gave the same address for church marriage in 1923 , "suggesting they were living together". But this was not uncommon, at least for 19th century marriages known to Jewish genealogists. Two pairs of my great grandparents gave the same address in the East End of London in 1857 and 1871 and likewise my grandparents in 1881; all had the Chief Rabbi's authorisation for marriage in a synagogue, which would not have been given if he suspected immorality. The reason for giving the same address is not known, perhaps to save a fee, or one was lodging there. Bryan Diamond

Dear Louise, A large number of Abendana are listed by Michael Halevy in his book on the Sefardic cimmunity in Hamburg. I can't find a Joseph b. Moseh but there are several other Josephs the earliest of whom died in 1662 and was the son of Daniel b. Joseph Abendana. Another Joseph Abendana died in 1671 and three sons; David, Jacob who died (childless) in London in 1696 and Isaac who died in London in 1695. I have the book and if it would help I could look up any entries that might be relevant to you. David Alexander Puycelsi France Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Joseph Abendana Dear Genners, although I have been able to make progress laterally and descendently ( is there such a word?), I am still stuck with Joseph Abendana (Joseph de Moseh Bendahan) married to Esther Rodrigues Ribeiro and cannot go beyond Joseph. No amount of sideways searching can tell me who Joseph was and where he came from or if, as my great uncle S.RAbendana wrote in the Jewish Chronicle, in 1850, he was the grandson of the scholar Isaac Abendana of Oxford and Cambridge ( brother the Haham Jacob). ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Dear Josev, thank you for the offer. The trouble is that the 17 pages of Descendents from Jose Nunes Martines are all on hard copoy, paper, not the the computer. I have a few in my tree but did not want to overload it at the moment with too many NMs. So I have been looking at the Bevis Marks records and the 17 pages to try to work something out. I am actually missing the first page but cant remember who sent it to me! I have not been able to do much as Ihavebeen in Israel for a while this year. I did have a sudden spurt when I made a small tree up to gg grandpareants for my grandson's barmitzvah. I printed it out and tuck it together with tape. He has probablylost i by now. I also gave him several trees in outline from various sections of my family i.e. Hart, Abendana, Gilberg and Cohen/Prince. Can you send me a ged com that doesnt attach to my present tree but stands o n its own for reference? Im not sure how gedcom works. with best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josev" <jking44@ntlworld.com> To: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au>; <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > If it would help, > > I have a whole load of Nunes Martines in my tree, i can open gedcom, and > match it against mine, and create new NM ged with all my info added to > yours > if your interested. > > Most of my info came from the Bevis Marks records. > > regards > > Josev King > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: > 13/09/2008 12:50 > >

Dear All My step ggm was Golda Leah daughter of Leibel. She was born in the 1880's (her matzevah is missing a digit) and died in 1968 as Golda TISMAN. Golda has appeared with the surnames of;- GOLD, STEIN and STONE. I would be interested to hear from anybody that has a Golda with any of these surnames, one of which could be a maiden name and the other a married name. Her children were born in the East End. Thanks. Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON HIATT, HUNT, HAR YUDA, CHERNOSKY, GOLDWITZ

To Lois Kaufman I have tried to send this via the help message, but was not given your details. In the surname list I note EVANS London From 1900 Lois Kaufman I know of Albert Evans who married my relative Doris Jacobs, dtr of Lawrence Wortman & Lillie Wortman, in 1953. Could yr EVANs be related? Bryan Diamond London

David, Are you suggesting this Joel is related to the Harts and Cohens. Regards, Ray [Victoria Australia] caddack@aol.com wrote: > Yes, there are two of them. The Daniel Joel who died in 1822 was > married to (or lived with) Sarah Chambers. His executors were Samuel > Yates and Isaac Joseph. > > David > Puycelsi > France > > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Zalig Hart, JOELS and the COHENS > > > > >> Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I >> have anything.< >> > > Caveat for Joel researchers: There were two more or less > contemporaneous > Daniel Joels. Since Ray's was alive in 1841, he is evidently not the > Daniel > Joel Hardwareman of Houndsditch , died City of London Date 23 August > 1822, but, > as far as I can tell, the Daniel Joel who died 1880 age 92 > Angela > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Aarh shucks. Thanks Bill for the try. Be well friend, Ray Bill Joel wrote: > Ray, > > Alas, my database has no listings for Daniel JOEL. For the record, my > JOELs come from London. > > - Bill Joel > > At 08:43 PM 9/13/2008, you wrote: > >> Bill, >> Thank you and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. >> Regards, Ray >> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Phil Lipshut has studied the Joseph coffee house keepers. I have quite a bit on them too as I once thought they might have been our family. Regards Keira Country Australia Researching family of Isaac JOSEPH of Covent Garden pre 1800-now London and Australia. Keira > This Isaac Joseph who witnessed the will lived in St. James Place, London > and was a > Coffeehouse Keeper. I was also curious becuase I am searching for a > Jacob Joseph!!! > > David > Puycelsi, France (ex Melbourne) > >

Re Brian Diamond's posting: I have a download of the Sheffield marriage registers and a significant proportion of the 19th and early 20th century marriages give the same address for the bride and groom. I understood, from previous list correspondence that at the time this made financial sense. Shirley Holton London UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines >> Dear Louise, thankyou for the info and will try running it in my tree today. I may be able to access the records through AJGS here will let you know how I go regards Peter > > > > > > were.r > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Ray, Not at all. This Daniel Joel died too early. As Angela said there were two of them. cheers, David Puycelsi David, Are you suggesting this Joel is related to the Harts and Cohens. Regards, Ray [Victoria Australia] ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.