Hi Louise, Dove ( Palomba ) Mizrachi was married to Abraham Rodrigues De Rivera in 1712. they had 2 children Daniel and Issac. Isaac married Judith Pardo. Abraham was married 3 times in all, once to a woman called Sarah, and the 3rd marriage to a unknown De Lucena. Abraham had a sister who married Diego Jose Lopes, and they had 3 children: Moses b 1706 d 1767 Abraham b bet 1711 & 1714 d 1775 Elisabeth d 1755 All 3 married and had children Diego married a 2nd time to an unknown Lopez Hope thats of some help regards Josev

Thanks Bryan and Louise for Rachel mother's name.? It certainly sounds right since my 2xgreat grandmother was named Dinah and there are no other Dinahs anywhere else that?I can find.? I didn't realize there were so many Aaron Nunes Martines so I had mistakenly?assumed Benvenida (Welcome) Martines, born bef 1805.? she married Abraham Joseph Oct 23, 1825.? was Rachel's sister.? It's been many years since I looked at the Bevis Marks films and at the time?I did I wasn't looking for this line so I appreciate all you have added to my tree.? Thank you Mary Ann Graziano NY

Dear Brian and listers, , I have a Singers prayer book given to Dove Martines by her freind Clara Davis. There was a marriage of Clara Davis to a Bittan. Do you know anything about her. I wonder if she was the same person as in my book and what her connection was to Dove and to Aaron Nunes Martines. I wonder if my list for Martins is the one Joan sent me years ago. It is dated 2003, and about 20 pages long but the first page is missing. They are the descendents of Jose Martin. Do you know who Aaron Nunes Martines's father Isaac was married to.(I found the extract from the ketuva in the Bevis Marks Ketuvot book) I didint manage toe extricate it. I am very fascinated by Dove Martines who must have been named after a grandmother, Dove (Palomba) Mizrahi who married a Rodrigues Ribeiro. I once found her living with a few other Martines ladies in a Sephardi almshouse. They were all embroideresses and I visualised them sitting sewing round the tea table when the man came to take down particulars for the census. i always try to put flesh on the facts. With best wishes, Louise

Debs, what is the Levy family with whom Louisa and Esther were living? I have Levys in my tree. Carol Freeman (Jacobs cousin) -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Bozkurt Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:01 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] ISAACS Family from Wolverhampton and Birmingham Dear all I am trying to trace a family of ISAACS from Wolverhampton and the Birmingham area. I will give a brief story of what I have found so far, its quite complicated as each sibling appears to change his name to something different over the years. In 1863 Lewis ISAACS married Louisa NATHAN in Wolverhampton, Louisa were from London originally, I have traced Louisa NATHAN as her mother lived with her in later years an Esther NATHAN, down to Whitechapel living with a family of LEVY'S, nothing else known about Louisa or Esther.

Dear Mary An and Listers, I have found an Aaron Nunes MARTINES on my Nunes Martines list. There are many, but this might be it.. AAron, Born 24th October 1766 died 1829 married 1793 Dinah Cohen who died 1832. The Bevis Marks Ketuvot Book has them down as Aron de Isaac Nunes Martines and Dina de Isaac Cohen 7 Shebat 5553 The next thing will be to find wich Isaac this is in the bevis Marks Records. I have authenticated some of the following in the BM records. Their children on my list are Menachim born 31 Jul 1794:(In the Bevis Marks Birth book theyhave themother as Hannah D.) Abigail b. 26 Jan 1795 who married Daniel Martin 1811 Hannah m 1819 Samuel Levy 1819 Abraham Rachel b. 23 August 1801 and 1803 married Aaron Lyons 1829 Isaac married 1811 Deborah Levy Sarah m 1826 Samuel Dias Sanatilano There may be more, I hope this is a help and look forward to learning what else you have found. Best wishes, Louise in London.. >> > > -- >

Dear listers, Mary Ann Graziano wrote: "-As you can see I do not know who Rachel's mother was -" According to the research I have, courtesy of Joan Holness, Rachel Nunes-Martines mother was Dinah COHEN. She married Aharon in 1793 and she died in 1832. Brian Whipp Shoreham-by-Sea West Sussex Researching, BITTAN (Betan), MARTIN, (Nunes-Martines). REES, HALL, ISAACS -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 4412 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I do have an ALEXANDER in my database, who lived in Eton in the early 19th century, but no mention of any "Cousin Adel". Any connection? I don't know. Barnet ALEXANDER (1754-1824), son of Alexander ALEXANDER, moved from Kidderminster to Eton in 1796, where he assumed the name LEVY. He was a clockmaker to King George III, by whom he was apparently personally known. Maybe that's the Windsor-Eton connection, and the rationale for the jewellery shop. He had married Rosetta ISAACS in 1795, and in time they had four sons (Alexander, Michael, Henry and Barnett). I do not have any record of any of their children continuing to live in Eton as adults, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't. The son Barnett ALEXANDER/LEVY further confused the issue by assuming the name Barnett LEE. Born in Eton on 6 December 1804, he moved to London sometime before 2 October 1836, on which date he married Diamond-Diamante FOLIGNO at the Western Synagogue in London. He was a court tailor trading at 39 Duke Street, St. James's. He is said to have remembered being presented as a very young child to King George III, whom he met with his father at Windsor Castle. He remembered the king calling him a pretty boy. Barnett LEE died in London on 11 August 1877. Barnett and Diamond had five children, and named their elder daughter Rosetta, after her paternal grandmother. Anne Joseph Montreal, Canada. Researching mainly JOSEPH, deSOLA and PINTO in England and North America ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Elusive Cohen's ...contradiction in terms?? > ..... Jewish people living in Windsor, Berkshire, in the early 19th > century. > I remember our family had a cousin called "Cousin Adel" whose name was > Adelaide ALEXANDER and who ran a jewellery shop at 4 the High Street, > Eton ..... She inherited this from her father Nehemiah Job > (1851/61/71/census) > but I wondered why they chose such a small place and didn't come to live > in London. Her mother Rosa was born in Whitechapel but I cannot find > her marriage to Nehemiah. Does anyone know anything about this family > or if there was a formal community in Eton/Windsor.? > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > -------------------------------

I have a handful of some a few lines of Polish that need translating. Would be grateful if any Polish speaker could contact me off-line. Angela

Hi I grew up in Eton, my parents had an antique shop in the High Street in the 70's and 80's. To the best of my knowledge there wasn't a formal community there and I remember my uncle (from North London) always asking why we lived out in sticks! I don't recall the shop you mention, was it up near the bridge? given you say the garden lead to the river. Thanks for bringing back some childhood memories! I also have elusive Cohen's but not in the UK ... Gaby Laws London UK > >a jewellery shop at 4 the High Street , Eton, where > all the Eton school boys and their parents Does anyone know anything about this > family or if there was a formal community in Eton/Windsor.< >

Dear Catherine, You mentioned in an earlier letter that there were Jewish people living in Windsor, Berkshire, in the early 19th century. I remember our family had a cousin called "Cousin Adel" whose name was Adelaide AlEXANDER and who ran a jewellery shop at 4 the High Street , Eton, where all the Eton school boys and their parents used to come to buy watches and jewellery. She inherited this from her father Nehemiah Job ( 1851/61/71/census)but I wondered why they chose such a small place and didn't come to live in London. Her mother Rosa was born in Whitechapel but I cannot find her marriage to Nehemiah. Does anyone know anything about this family or if there was a formal community in Eton/Windsor.? I only know that Nehemia died in 1890 and he had three sons besides his daughter Adel. they were Alfred, George and Joseph .Joseph died in 1877 . I wonder if anyone in America or Australia is researching them .These countries were mentioned in Joseph's Jewish chronicle death announcement with the names given in Hebrew and English Incidentally, bridging this gap , I remember going with my grandmother and Great Aunts Lizzie and Rachel Hart to visit Adele at the back of her shop which ran down to the river. I must have been tiny as they were worried about my falling into the river! With best wishes, Louise in London, I knew that Adel and the Aunts were friends but don't know if they were real cousins or just courtesy cousins.

Dear Listers, I know I'm late to this discussion of Aharon Nunes Martines?but I've been away from my London lines for awhile and have not been reading the list mail faithfully.? When I?recognised this name I went back to my database.? I have done nothing on my Martin line beyond what you see below.? My 3xgreat grandmother is Aharon's daughter Rachel who married Aaron Lyons in 1829.? Their daughter Dinah married Woolf 'Walter' Woolfson and came to Brooklyn NY.? As you can see I do not know who Rachel's mother was and the earlier emails about Aharon are not in the list archives yet.?Could someone tell me if this?might be?the family in discussion.? I would love to add to this line. ???? Children of Aharon Nunes Martines are: i. Benvenida (Welcome) Martines, born bef 1805.? she married Abraham Joseph Oct 23, 1825. ii. Rachel Martin, born abt 1807 in London.? She married Aaron Lyons, son of Lewis Lyons, Sept 20, 1829 in the Great Synagogue, London, .? He was born abt 1802 in London and died aft 1881 in London. ???? ??? Children of Rachel Martin and Aaron Lyons are: i.? Aaron Lyons, born abt 1830; died aft 1891 ii. Rachel Lyons, born abt 1832 iii. Dinah Lyons, born abt 1834; died Sep 26, 1892 in Brooklyn NY iv. Abigail Lyons, born abt 1838 v.? Samuel Lyons, born abt 1840 vi. Moses Lyons, born abt 1841 vii. Isaac Lyons, born abt 1841 Mary Ann Graziano New York

The surname lists have now been updated and the latest file is available to download. All pages have had changes so I urge you to check them out. I have also added a message at the top of each page about how to contact fellow researchers because of the lack of email addresses visible. Simply email the list with the researcher's name in the subject line (i.e. FAO Sherry Landa) and the surnames in the main body (i.e. I saw you are interested in LANDA in Leeds) and the researcher should see your email. If you fail to get a reply, then email us at Admin and we will check whether the person is still subscribed, if they are not I will try to find an email address for them and contact them on your behalf (or with your permission contact them with your email address). See http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Surnames.htm Best wishes, Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE) NB When replying to this email please remember to remove the word ADMIN from the subject line

Dear Keira, Thank you for your suggestions... however...James Cohen's life following discharge does not appear to have been a life spent avoiding either responsibility or authority, though I have to say, I had not thought about 'avoiding authority ' for the reason that you give & so ' maybe' for that one....& many thanks again for taking the time to respond. In later life, James became a Dr/Surgeon, Patented & promoted a prototype Tank ' The Devastator' to the highest levels [ Palmerston & the War Office]was ' a disciple of Robert Owen' who also helped James to promote the invention at large public meetings....fought a challenge to the Patent, was bankrupted, spent time in various Debtors prisons & still managed to end his days 'back at the top' ; it has also been suggested that his story could have been the inspiration for Charles Dickens writing Little Dorrit....the book was serialised during the time that James had a high public profile with his ' Debtors saga' 1855/7 The Service Record also shows James to have been a fine soldier & states this..'The Rifles' as I understand it, were taken from the best soldiers ... the SAS of their day. As I said , I know a lot about James's later life but * who was he*....I can't imagine that he would have made up Co*h*en aged 15 either ... Regards to all, Catherine Swansea/ Wales There are many reasons for soldiers not being promoted...... Keira, country Australia.

Catherine Thee are many reasons for soldiers not being promoted. Many people did not get promoted because they 'played up'. Some chose not to be promoted because they did not want the responsibility. Some did not want authority because they might have to order someone to do something that would result in their death. Cheers Keira, country Australia. ----- From: "catherine" <catherine.maggs@tesco.net> He served in all for 25 > yrs:...would anyone know if the Army might have discriminated against > him on the basis of his name & so caused him to remain a Private. >

I think it is perhaps also unusual to find a Jewish 'Brush-maker' [ as he was in Berkshire]joining the Army aged 15... in 1812 ?????, Our GG etc. Alexander Jones was a brushmaker altgough about half a century later There evidently were Jews living in Berkshire - LEVY & JACOBS but no evident COHENS MS 0667 Circ 1817 [17 Jul] Moses b. Eliezer HaLevi Abingdon, Berks MS 0785 Circ 1819 [16 May] Joseph Judela* b.Eliezer HaLevi Abingdon, Berks [*Poss a misreadeading of Judela for Yozela?] MS 1206 Circ 1827 [8 Jul] Jacob b.Nahman, Windsor GSBUR32 070 Bur 1832 [2 Sep] JACOBS Infant child of Emanuel Jacobs, Windsor aged 5 months Angela

This is a mixed bag: The bad news, the surname list has NOT been updated yet, partly because I am waiting for a couple of people to get back to me, but MOSTLY because I have been plagued by slow connection speeds, tetchy servers and glitchy software. I apologise and I will get it up as soon as I can. The good news, after 4 attempts and much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I have managed to get my new database up. Princelet Street Synagogue Marriages Book 1 contains 100 marriages from 1897 to 1907. It is downloadable from the Ideas Store website. I have extracted the data into an index so that anyone who thinks they may have an interest in one of the marriages can check it before downloading the image. The spreadsheet makes it possible to browse families, addresses, occupations as well as individuals. In addition, further information, where it has been found, is included to help researchers identify exactly which marriages are of interest to them. Once a marriage has been found the original image can be consulted by using a link from the webpage on our site to that on the Ideas Store website. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Sherry%20Landa/princelet_street_synagogue_marri.htm Best Sherry Landa (23170, Viersat, FRANCE)

G'day all. "I don't have access to 1851 census and can't find them in 1841 or 1861. Perhaps only here temporarily?" Thank you Angela, the two men you mention in your first reply, Abraham and Samuel, are two of the four brothers that emigrated to Australia in 1854, Henry and Lyons being the other brothers. I believe that all four brothers were born in Krakow between 1826 and 1836 to Jacob Abraham Morwitch and his wife Rachel. Having read both those articles, I can tell you that Samuel and Abraham had a similar financial history out here too.... I have seen both men in the 1851 UK Census. I don't know how to find their entry to Britain though - I would guess it would be somewhere between 1836 (last birth) and 1850 (Directory entry you have provided) These references you provided today are also helpful. Many, many thanks. "There is an 1855 birth for a Lazarus Morwitch and an 1861 for an Abraham Moritschy" This looks interesting too Angela :-) Thanks also Sherry for the tip on wills.....and the footy :-) Scott Morwitch Brisbane Queensland Australia

Dear Genners, I forgot to first thank Sherry and Jackye for allowing me this one-time mention of the book. I also forgot to mention, though perhaps it is patently obvious to all, even though the book concentrates on Canadian Jewry, there is a major Anglo connection here. Even if you don't find any relatives' names you may discover the rationale behind the immigration to this alternate North American country. Enjoy, -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines Hi Louise, Have put the inf you provided in you last email. To be honest I am still confused. not being a Potuguese speaker and very little Spanish,my limited knowledge point to Portugal.I have it in my Head that the surname NUNES MArtines lend istself to Portugal rarther than Spain.IFit were spelt NUNEZ MARTINEZ I would be more comfortable with Spanish Ancestry. I am now confused bout Hannah Martin. It seems that there were more than one in this family.Having said that I will go forwaRD IN TIME to my great grndmother WELCOME hannah SOLOMON(S).She was born27 dec 1837 in Aldgate and went on to marry Philip Nelson on 18 Jan 1854. Her father was philip Solomon And Hannah Martin (widow )According to the Great Synagogue Marriage Register. Lacking the information of the first husband(2 Husbands I am at a loss. Perhaps you have this information? The only other thing i can tell you is that her parents were married at GS on30 Aug 1835 ,Sayuing that Hannah was a widow and father Aaron NM. I have no idea who the first husband was. Kind regards Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> >> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 9:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Aaron Nunes Martines >> >> >>>> Dear Louise, >> thankyou for the info and will try running it in my tree today. I may be >> able to access the records through AJGS here >> will let you know how I go >> regards >> Peter >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> were.r >>> >>> Our website is at >>> www.british-jewry.org.uk >>> We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. >>> >>> British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Our website is at >> www.british-jewry.org.uk >> We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. >> >> British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: >> 13/09/2008 12:50 >> >> > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear David, Thank you, I did spot Angela's mention but have been a little busy, sorry. Regards, Ray [Vic. AUST.] caddack@aol.com wrote: > Dear Ray, > Not at all. This Daniel Joel died too early. As Angela said there were > two of them. > > cheers, > David > Puycelsi > > David, > Are you suggesting this Joel is related to the Harts and Cohens. > Regards, Ray [Victoria Australia] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >