Brian Whipp <[email protected]> writes >Hello Marianne, >Further to your query below, I have Elizabeth on my tree and now I have >added Ann and Dinah following your posting. >Would their father be the David Davis living at 9 Ellison Street, Aldgate >in the 1851 census together with wife Jane and 8 children? To the best of my knowledge, David Davis of 9 Ellison Street did not have daughters named Ann, Dinah or Elizabeth. -- Chris Newall EMail : [email protected] Ealing, London, W5 Website: http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/

Hello Marianne, Further to your query below, I have Elizabeth on my tree and now I have added Ann and Dinah following your posting. Would their father be the David Davis living at 9 Ellison Street, Aldgate in the 1851 census together with wife Jane and 8 children? Elizabeth Davis can be found at http://www.whippfamily.co.uk/FH%20Website3/fam57.html Regards, Brian Whipp West Sussex Researching: BETAN (BITTAN),HART, MARTIN (NUNES MARTINEZ), REES, ISAACS "Has anyone got the following names in their trees please ? Ann (Davis) & Maurice Moses (sometimes Morris Moss) married 1838 Dinah (Davis) & Joseph Benjamin married 1849 Elizabeth (Davis) & Barnett Hyams married 1840 Any info please. Marianne, Sussex, England."

In response to the query on West Derby it is an area of Liverpool near the docks where Jews lived when they came over in the 19th century. If you have Liverpool ancestors many of them will have BMD's listed under West Derby. Jill Whitehead nee Servian (Servian's came from Liverpool, though mine lived in Everton)

No, it's in Lancashire. It is part of the city of Liverpool (now Merseyside, but for your purposes Lancashire). If you use Free BMD then you can click on the W. Derby link (or any other) and a pop-up will give you details of where that registration district is/was. Another way to find out about it is to use GENUKI (www.genuki.org) go to England and then there should be a link that says something like registration districts (or civil registration and then districts). This will tell you about the district and where the registers for that district are now housed. HTH Sherry Landa (Viersat, France) > A record at UK FreeBMD shows a marriage as being performed in "W. Derby". <snip> is W. Derby in Kent?

No - formerly refers to her maiden name. I will change my records to Sophia Abrahams as it fits with the following marriage Marriages Sep 1874 ABRAHAMS Sophia London C. 1c 183 Rubenston Barnett London C. 1c 183 It was quite a few years ago that I was in touch with Ken. If and when, I find my notes, I will contact you off list. Regards, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Ian Samuel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 August 2010 04:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] RUBENSTEIN DANIEL and WHITE families Thanks for that information Susan. I have Daniel Morris RUBENSTEIN'S birth certificate. It shows that he was born on 25th February 1883 and that his father was Barnett RUBENSTEIN, a tailor, and his mother was Sophia RUBENSTEIN formerly ABRAHAMS. I wonder whether using the expression 'formerly' rather than just ABRAHAMS meant that she was born STRAUSS and was previously married. I will explore the DANIEL leads, though I thought that I had visited Sheila in 1970, but of course 40 years on and my mind may be playing games on me. I plead ignorance of Ken Gompertz. Does anyone know if anyone is carrying on with his work? At this point I have to say how very grateful I am to the many people who have gone out their way to assist with this quest. Many have written to me off the list. It makes this whole genealogy exercise even more worthwhile. That and the finding more distant relations and connecting with them wherever they now live. So again a big toda raba to all concerned, including of course Susan. Ian Ian Samuel Melbourne Australia Researching:ALTMAN/BOJARSKY/EFRON/GLOGOWSKI/HYAMS/NATHAN /ROCKMAN/SAMUEL(S)/SLONIM/SOLOMONS/TOBIAS

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There's a W.Derby in Liverpool. Lots of Jewish families were there between 1850s and 1940s + Rachelle steven morgan wrote: > A record at UK FreeBMD shows a marriage as being performed in "W. Derby". > A grandson of this couple, possibly, states that his grandmother came from > Kent. > Not being familiar with the English county nomenclature (in fact it confuses > the h*** out of me), is W. Derby in Kent? > > Not sure if this is the right match but this is a first step. > > Thanks to all > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3086 - Release Date: 08/21/10 19:35:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3086 - Release Date: 08/21/10 19:35:00

Hello Steve West Derby is a suburb of Liverpool, Merseyside. Nowhere near Kent, I am afraid! Kind regards Rosemary Settle, North Yorkshire On 21 Aug 2010, at 20:26, steven morgan wrote: > A record at UK FreeBMD shows a marriage as being performed in "W. Derby". > A grandson of this couple, possibly, states that his grandmother came from > Kent. > Not being familiar with the English county nomenclature (in fact it confuses > the h*** out of me), is W. Derby in Kent? > > Not sure if this is the right match but this is a first step. > > Thanks to all > > > > -- > Steve Morgan > Wilmington North Carolina > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No it is not in Kent and it is not near the town of Derby in Derbyshire either. West Derby registration area is part of the city of Liverpool in Lancashire. My family lived in Liverpool for many years. It was a major international port and people came there from all over. Good luck in your search Best regards Evelyn Wilcock London Genealogy site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wilcock/

Steve, Since no one else has replied, West Derby is I think on Merseyside.  Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: steven morgan <[email protected]> To: british jewry <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 21 August, 2010 20:26:13 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Where is W. Derby? A record at UK FreeBMD shows a marriage as being performed in "W. Derby". A grandson of this couple, possibly, states that his grandmother came from Kent. Not being familiar with the English county nomenclature (in fact it confuses the h*** out of me), is W. Derby in Kent? Not sure if this is the right match but this is a first step. Thanks to all -- Steve Morgan Wilmington North Carolina Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A record at UK FreeBMD shows a marriage as being performed in "W. Derby". A grandson of this couple, possibly, states that his grandmother came from Kent. Not being familiar with the English county nomenclature (in fact it confuses the h*** out of me), is W. Derby in Kent? Not sure if this is the right match but this is a first step. Thanks to all -- Steve Morgan Wilmington North Carolina

Saul According to the "Scope and Content" section of BT 26 on the page you linked, my statement was correct. That section states in relevant part: "of passengers entering the United Kingdom by sea from ports outside Europe and the Mediterranean." Likewise Ancestry.com describes the collection as: "This database is an index to the Board of Trade’s passenger lists of ships arriving in the United Kingdom from foreign ports outside of Europe and the Mediterranean." You do not say where your family emigrated from. I can only report on what I read in doing the research. Has anyone else found exceptions to the published limitation? Bob Moss Chicago, IL. USA Please consider the environment and do not print this e-mail unless there is a real need for a paper copy. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 262 This is not strictly correct. There are some incoming passenger manifests for ships from Europe. I  think it falls under BT 26. Ancestry have digitised these records and the collection is available on UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 . Saul Issroff on: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 : <<"Bob Moss" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Immigration to UK: Katie Morris In a word-No.  According to the National Archives site, GB only kept passenger lists for those people coming from outside Europe. >>

In addition to the late Ken Gompertz, I believe someone else on the list is researching the family of Daniel Morris RUBENSTEIN later ROBERTSON. He was a son of Barnett (d: April 4, 1915 at 332 Kingsland Road, Hackney) and Sophia (nee Strauss) RUBENSTEIN. Ken was the one who provided me with Sophia's maiden name. Working forward, I found the following two, whose mother's maiden name was Van WEEZENBEEK. I did not find a marriage Philip Daniel P White Apr May Jun 1970 Hammersmith Greater London, Mark Anthony White Oct Nov Dec 1971 Hammersmith Greater London, Once again, I could not find a marriage, but the following Daniel children whose mother's maiden name was White were born in Hackney. No proof that they would part of the correct family. Deloris J Daniel Oct Nov Dec 1959 Hackney Greater London, Middlesex Dekercy T Daniel Oct Nov Dec 1961 Hackney Greater London, Middlesex Karen V Daniel Apr May Jun 1965 Hackney Greater London, Middlesex Lionel A Oni married Karen V Daniel Oct 1994 Enfield Middlesex Perhaps someone knows of this family from the Rubenstein/Robertson side Regards, Susan McPhedran From: Ian Samuel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 August 2010 03:26 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Missing members of the Samuel/Robertson/White In my quest to complete my contact with the descendants of my great grandparents Raphael or Ralph SAMUELS and his wife Kate nee TOBIAS, the family of two of his grandchildren seem to have gone off the radar. They are the grandchildren of Ralph and Kate's daughter Rose who married Daniel RUBENSTEIN who changed their surname to ROBERTSON. They had two daughters, Faye and Kitty. Faye married Philip WHITE and they in turn had two children, Sheila and Arthur Anthony Daniel who was known as Tony. I believe that Tony was born in 1942. I think that Sheila might have been a bit older. I seem to recall that Sheila married Francis DANIEL and lived in Esher Essex. I believe that Tony married Helene WEEZENBEEK. I can't find any trace of either of them at present. Do any of you have any ideas as to how I might go about locating them or what happened to them. Thanks Ian Samuel Melbourne Australia

This is not strictly correct. There are some incoming passenger manifests for ships from Europe. I  think it falls under BT 26. Ancestry have digitised these records and the collection is available on UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 . Searching is free but there is a fee to view the records. See http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=BT_26 In my family I found details of the incoming ship name and date from the records of the Poor Jews' Temporary Shelter, and with this detail was able to locate the actual manifest. Saul Issroff on: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 : <<"Bob Moss" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Immigration to UK: Katie Morris In a word-No.  According to the National Archives site, GB only kept passenger lists for those people coming from outside Europe. >>

Thanks to Naomi Ogin for her message below; I'm now exploring the possibilities via jewisgen and other sources. X Jessica Leschnikoff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of naomi ogin Sent: 18 August 2010 07:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Ernestine ROSE 1810 Hi Jessica Could be worth e mailing this society http://www.brandeis.edu/centers/wsrc/ernestinerose/highgate.html They have a lot of information about Ernestine and mention her husband a fair bit - they are both buried in Highgate Cemetery. The name spelling they are using is Ernestine L. Susmond Potowski Rose. According to another site, she married William in 1835 and her father's name was Isaac.http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G2-2591308061.html Would be great to find a record of the marriage and that should provide more clues. Another site says they married in 1832 and another in 1836. William was born around 1813. You may be able to find baptism records for him. There's also some info in http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ <both died in England - he in London, and she in Brighton Jessica Leschnikoff> Naomi Ogin Brisbane Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann The Poor Jews Temporary Shelter Database is worth looking in - http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/cgi/cgi_shelter.exe from May, 1896. There are lots of Fridman's, Freedman, Friedman, Freidman etc. <when Katie Morris nee Frydman came to England Ann Linder, Florida> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

My great great grandfather , Aaron Barnett Hart 's daughter Rachel married at the Hambro Synaogogue 11 June 1851, Lewis Harris of Brentford, Middlesex. Amongst other children they had a son Samuel (who married his cousin Lizzie Levy Green, daughter of Ephraim and Amelia Levy Green. , in 18879 .I wonder if any of Samuel Harris's descendents would know anything about his grandparents, Aaron Hart and Esther, or have discovered anything of Esther's origin. If so could you kindly contact me. Best wishes, Louise

In my quest to complete my contact with the descendants of my great grandparents Raphael or Ralph SAMUELS and his wife Kate nee TOBIAS, the family of two of his grandchildren seem to have gone off the radar. They are the grandchildren of Ralph and Kate's daughter Rose who married Daniel RUBENSTEIN who changed their surname to ROBERTSON. They had two daughters, Faye and Kitty. Faye married Philip WHITE and they in turn had two children, Sheila and Arthur Anthony Daniel who was known as Tony. I believe that Tony was born in 1942. I think that Sheila might have been a bit older. I seem to recall that Sheila married Francis DANIEL and lived in Esher Essex. I believe that Tony married Helene WEEZENBEEK. I can't find any trace of either of them at present. Do any of you have any ideas as to how I might go about locating them or what happened to them. thanks Ian Ian Samuel Melbourne Australia Researching:ALTMAN/BOJARSKY/EFRON/GLOGOWSKI/HYAMS/NATHAN /ROCKMAN/SAMUEL(S)/SLONIM/SOLOMONS/TOBIAS

Don't forget Antwerp, I believe lists exist for this port. Regards, David Liss (Hertfordshire) Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Immigration to UK: Katie Morris She might very well have come alone. It was not that unusual. Remember that a large part of those coming from Russia/Poland came through Germany and took the boat from either Hamburg or Bremen. Sometimes you can find them on emigration lists out of those ports. Bob

Ann, Katie might have travelled alone. They had to get out of the Old Country! We've seen single 17-year old-girls traveling alone. My grandmother and her sister were 17 and 15. These folks had courage! The town was probably Stopnica, Poland. There were over 3,000 Jews there in 1900, per JewishGen. Linda Wolfe Kelley California On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Ann Linder <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to know when Katie Morris came to England from Stopnice, > Poland?... and I might guess she didn't travel alone. > >