Hello all and hello Josef. I'll start to look very soon. My kind of challenge! Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel

Philip - wanted to let you know that I have found a Michael Maniloff on Facebook and have sent him a message. He was the only offspring I was able to find, perhaps you found the same one? ------------------------------------- subject[BRITISH-JEWRY] KINCLER - a marriage found? mailed-byhotmail.com Hello all and hello again Ann.Phillip to the rescue again.Yes, I have found your Estera F Kincler married Louis Maniloff 1952 Hackney.The second marriage record states Fradja E Kincler same spouse of course. I believe I have traced a son of this marriage, I can only find one child. I'll try to contact him and let you know SAP. Best wishes Phillip -- Kindest Regards, Ann Florida USA

Richard hi, Ther thing is that there were many grandsons and to the best of my knowledge, none of them carried that Hebrew name.   However, I will try and check that idea out. Thanks. Regards Angie Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Beach <[email protected]> To: British Jewry List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:19:03 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Max (Mark) Cohen Hi Angie, I have a Yekutiel in my tree (not a COHEN though) - in Ashkenazi Hebrew this would have been Yekusiel; the 'secular' name was Ksyle, and I believe that in Yiddish he would have been 'Kissel'. His name was carried on through a granddaughter called Cecelia.

Hello all and hello again Ann.Phillip to the rescue again.Yes, I have found your Estera F Kincler married Louis Maniloff 1952 Hackney.The second marriage record states Fradja E Kincler same spouse of course. I believe I have traced a son of this marriage, I can only find one child. I'll try to contact him and let you know SAP. Best wishes Phillip Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help with this. According to  the information that I was given, my great grand uncle - Max (alias Mark) Cohen died on 10th June 1930 at 11, Stockwell Rd, Knaresborough - but while living at 68, Samuel St, Leeds. His cause of death was "Shock due to fracture of base of skull as a result of being thrown from a motor car in collision with another motor car. Accidental" The death was registered on 25th June 1930. I wonder where he would be buried.  Any ideas/suggestions/directions?  Once I know that I could hope to find his tombstone and confirm his father's name. According to the tombstone I saw in Leeds of my ggrandfather - Shmuel (Max's brother) - the father's name was Yekutiel, a very unusual name, and none of the grandchildren (of neither Shmuel nor Max) have carried on with this name. Thanks in advance Regards Angie Elfassi Israel   Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds

Sorry group - only just now saw Jackye's suggestion which is parallel to mine. Great minds think alike :-) Have a great day Regards Angie Elfassi Israel   Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ----- Original Message ---- From: Jackye Sullins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 9:53:17 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JONES Birmingham 1860 Sometimes Jews were born with one first name and adopted another.  My cousin was born Sarah and became Tillie in every document she was ever listed in. Have you searched the GRO index by last name and approximate year and leaving out the first name?

 Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds Hi, Could it be that she changed her first name to Marie upon marrying? Is there a Miriam on the census?  How many girls are there for Levi?  Can you trace any of their decesdants? Regards Angie Elfassi Israel ________________________________ From: Sally Walters <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 9:30:54 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] JONES Birmingham 1860 Maria's marriage certifacte to my great-grandfather William WALTERS 25 Dec 1885 states that Maria's father was Levi JONES, a pearl button maker. I have found who I think is Levi - he married Catherine DAVEY and had several children. Maria never appears with this family on any census, and I have searched the GRO for birth certs with father Levi and found none. Perhaps Maria was illegitimate - I don't know.

Hi Sally Do you have any addresses? I could do an address search for you. Kind regards Rosemary Rosemary Rees Settle North Yorkshire UK On 30 Aug 2010, at 20:30, Sally Walters wrote: > Hi, > > I'm searching for my great-grandmother Maria JONES, born abt 1860 > Birmingham. A > thanks, > Sally Walters > BC Canada > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have replied to laurence off-list with detailed information, but listers might like to know you can search SynagogueScribes.com by "keyword Search" so you can use terms such as "baker" or "cake" as occupations sometimes form part of the Hebrew name. In the case of Matzot makers we note that Dr. Susser suggests that a "Redlamer" is a person who makes holes in Matzot. A search for "Redlam" produces 5 results. We recently updated the site so checking back from time to time might produce more hits than previous searches. We are also planning a major update for New Year with many new records dating back to 1776. Gaby Laws London UK On 30 August 2010 11:26, Laurence Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > I am still researching my wife's LEVY family of Passover Cake (Matzoh) > bakers who were baking in London from c.1710 to c.1942. > Laurence Harris > Pinner, Middlesex, England

On a popular pay site to which I am not a subscriber, I came across an indexed marriage for Frajda E. KINCLER married Louis Maniloff, followed by another indexed record that reads Estera F. KINCLER married Mainloff. I cannot see the year. Same persons? Since the Kincler daughters interchanged both their legal Yiddish names and their anglicized names perhaps this is one daughter I am looking for. However, I cannot find either of these marriages on FreeBMD, & no offspring either. -- Kindest Regards, Ann Florida USA

Sometimes Jews were born with one first name and adopted another. My cousin was born Sarah and became Tillie in every document she was ever listed in. Have you searched the GRO index by last name and approximate year and leaving out the first name? Jackye Sullins Carlsbad, CA > > I have searched the GRO for birth certs with father Levi and found none. > Perhaps > Maria was illegitimate - I don't know. > > thanks, > Sally Walters > BC Canada

Hi, I'm searching for my great-grandmother Maria JONES, born abt 1860 Birmingham. According to her eldest grandaughter (my father's cousin), Maria was Jewish, and her mother's name was Sarah/Selina LEVY. Apparently her mother was ousted from the family for marrying outside her faith. Maria did not raise any of her children Jewish. Maria's marriage certifacte to my great-grandfather William WALTERS 25 Dec 1885 states that Maria's father was Levi JONES, a pearl button maker. I have found who I think is Levi - he married Catherine DAVEY and had several children. Maria never appears with this family on any census, and I have searched the GRO for birth certs with father Levi and found none. Perhaps Maria was illegitimate - I don't know. I have found Maria lodging with the Eli WORWOOD family in 1881 but cannot find her before then. Does Maria ring any bells with anyone? I have been searching for her for several years and cannot think where else to look. thanks, Sally Walters BC Canada

Hi Paul and welcome. There are many Jews with names that can't be categorized as Jewish. Many Jews assimilated or changed their names and some had original names that don't fit into any mold. I looked at the Jewishgen Family Finder and saw a person researching the surname CONTESS. That is very close to yours. Jackye Sullins Carlsbad, CA One other thing... slightly off track, but on the marriage of their daughter again in India, the witness is listed as Mary Anne COUNTEZE. I just wondered if this was her mother Mary Anne Henry but used her pre-marriage name. question, is COUNTEZE a Jewish name ? I cant find any reference to it at all...

I am still researching my wife's LEVY family of Passover Cake (Matzoh) bakers who were baking in London from c.1710 to c.1942. If you have any connections to this family of Passover Cake Bakers, or to any other London-based Passover Cake or Matzah Bakers - as many of the families intermarried, then please do contact me. ApoIogies that I am resending this message but the previous version had the family name of LEVY incorrectly spelled in the subject line. Wishing all a healthy, happy and peaceful New Year. Laurence Harris Pinner, Middlesex, England

Dear Laurence, there is of course Ephraim Levy Green who married my gg grandfather Michael Hart's sister Amelia. i think either he or his father were also matza bakers andlived in Goulston Street. I am stil wondering if Amelia's mother was a Levy. Her name was Esther .Best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Harris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] LVEY family - Passover Cake (Matzah) Bakers -London 1710-1942 >I am still researching my wife's LEVY family of Passover Cake (Matzoh) > bakers who were baking in London from c.1710 to c.1942. If you have >

I am still researching my wife's LEVY family of Passover Cake (Matzoh) bakers who were baking in London from c.1710 to c.1942. If you have any connections to this family of Passover Cake Bakers, or to any other London-based Passover Cake or Matzah Bakers - as many of the families intermarried, then please do contact me. Wishing all a healthy, happy and peaceful New Year. Laurence Harris Pinner, Middlesex, England

Hi Sherry, As promised - Naomi Mitchel x Asher Name: Naomi Mitchell Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Paddington County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Haven't got an exact date, but if anyone wanted to get it, this shows there is a record on BMD Index. I checked the other people on the page, and Asher is there, plain as day... Bests, Jessica -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jewish Admin Sent: 29 August 2010 12:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] SOMAN family from Norwich? > Does anyone know anything about the SOMAN family from Norwich? A relative > of mine was Naomi MITCHEL b.1870 in America - her father was Noah Mitchel, > mother Maria (unknown surname). She married Asher Emanuel Soman from > Norwich UK. I have a hunch that he had a printing business up there, but > also that the family was involved in shoe and boot making in Norwich on a > large scale. They are also connected via Asher's mother to the SALKIND > family and from his father to Rosetta SALOMAN. Hi Jessica, AES appears in the Leeds database. I didn't have his marriage so I will add details, if you want to contact me off list, that would be good. Meanwhile you can find details of his parents and grandparents, on both sides, plus his siblings and aunts and uncles by going to http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/leedsjewry/index.php and entering SOMAN into the search engine. From census information (pls note that 1851 census information for his father, Philip, has been misindexed as 1861-so it looks like there are two 1861 entries) you'll see the father was a printer. Actually, he was proprietor of the Norwich Argus newspaper! http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbylocation.asp has some stuff. The London Gazette has a lot of entries for SOMAN and Norwich as a search. I haven't time now to look at them all, but I expect you'll find something there. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/1841-01-01;1911-02-28/all=Soman+Norwich/start=1 Hope this is what you wanted. Don't forget to email me with AES's marriage details :-) best Sherry (Oxford, UK) Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sherry, Thanks for the info about the Somans... will get in touch with marriage info (if I have it). Bests, Jessica -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jewish Admin Sent: 29 August 2010 12:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] SOMAN family from Norwich? > Does anyone know anything about the SOMAN family from Norwich? A relative > of mine was Naomi MITCHEL b.1870 in America - her father was Noah Mitchel, > mother Maria (unknown surname). She married Asher Emanuel Soman from > Norwich UK. I have a hunch that he had a printing business up there, but > also that the family was involved in shoe and boot making in Norwich on a > large scale. They are also connected via Asher's mother to the SALKIND > family and from his father to Rosetta SALOMAN. Hi Jessica, AES appears in the Leeds database. I didn't have his marriage so I will add details, if you want to contact me off list, that would be good. Meanwhile you can find details of his parents and grandparents, on both sides, plus his siblings and aunts and uncles by going to http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/leedsjewry/index.php and entering SOMAN into the search engine. From census information (pls note that 1851 census information for his father, Philip, has been misindexed as 1861-so it looks like there are two 1861 entries) you'll see the father was a printer. Actually, he was proprietor of the Norwich Argus newspaper! http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbylocation.asp has some stuff. The London Gazette has a lot of entries for SOMAN and Norwich as a search. I haven't time now to look at them all, but I expect you'll find something there. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/1841-01-01;1911-02-28/all=Soman+Norwich/start=1 Hope this is what you wanted. Don't forget to email me with AES's marriage details :-) best Sherry (Oxford, UK) Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Linda Kelly for help looking at the Soman family, Jessica Leschnikoff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Kelley Sent: 29 August 2010 20:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] SOMAN family from Norwich? Jessica, there is a family tree in Ancestry and some census info. I'll contact you off-line. Linda Wolfe Kelley On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Jewish Admin <[email protected]>Jessica wrote: > Asher Emanuel Soman [or Saloman?] from Norwich UK...printing ...shoe and > boot making > Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Naomi, I am researching  Abraham HENRY born 1794 "St Cathernes Middlesex".  Varous research suggests this is actually St Katherines which is where St Katherines Dock now stands just by the Tower of London. I know that Abraham joined the British Army and, in 1820, while in India he re-married his wife Mary Ann xxxx.  I say re-married because I have seen the wedding entry details in the British Library India Section, which read as follows: ...Abraham Henry Private 11th Dragoons and Mary Anne were married by me this 12th June 1820.  H L Williams Chaplain of Cownpore. This Marriage was solomly between us Abraham Henry and Mary Anne Henry. In Presence of Elizabeth Pashley her mark X and James Ditton his mark X.  xxxx xxxx the above named parties having been married according to the ritual of the Jewish Church have at their own special request been remarried by me according to our ritual having became members of our church.  H L Williams 12th Jun 1820 Cownpore. On the left hand side it shows Ann as a "spinster What obviously interests me is the comment ,..."above named parties having been married according to the ritual of the Jewish Church"... . I know all their history after returning from India in about 1837.. but what I am desparately trying to find is their Jewish marriage details ..I know that this would have had to be before they sailed to India in 1819 as I have seen their names on the Ship manifest. she is listed as Mrs Mary Anne Henry.  His wife came from St Martins in the Field London... a few miles from St Katherines...so I assume the wedding took place in either of their home locations. Do you have any information on this family ? Regards Paul London England One other thing... slightly off track, but on the marriage of their daughter again in India, the witness is listed as Mary Anne COUNTEZE.  I just wondered if this was her mother Mary Anne Henry but used her pre-marriage name.  question, is COUNTEZE a Jewish name ?  I cant find any reference to it at all...