Hello Steve Joseph W Klarik married Mary Lanch in Hull, 1913. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl The wedding took place at Osborne Street Synagogue in Hull. http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi Two children are showing, Alfred M and Florence. Alfred married Lila Harris, also at Osborne St, in 1947 and Florence married Stanley Sugarman, Hull Western Hebrew Congregation, 1939. There is a record for a J W Klarik on the National Archives site. The document is closed but you can request for it to be opened under FOI. Date of birth is showing as 7th September 1888. There is also another file in connection to the Manor of Tupcoates. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp <Her mother & father were Abraham Klarik & Esther Bach> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

A possible alternative derivation of the Soman name is from Solomon or one of its homonyms. Michael Sayers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Leschnikoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Soman family - Norwich - Thanks and more thoughts... > Dear all, > > Thank you to Keira Lockyer, Linda Kelly, Michael Sayers and Sherry Landa > for > their help in researching the Soman family from Norwich. > > I had a daft thought that maybe, Soman was the anglicized way of > pronouncing > the French "saumon" - reason being that one of the early Soman people is > said to have come here from Epinal in Vosges, France. Why would an > immigrant adopt this pronounciation of the French for salmon? Why are so > many of our Jewish families named Salmon eh? So, I wondered what the odds > were for there being families with the name of Salmon in Vosges, and I did > a > search on Geneanet.org, and promptly came up with quite a number of trees > with the Salmon name in them. Not only that, but it appears that the > places > these Salmons were living in are very closeby to Epinal - surrounding > villages in fact. So probably, David Somon was from a village or town > near > to Epinal. > > Perhaps some of your could advise me further; I already have cottoned on > to > the link between Solomon and Salmon / Salomon, Saloman etc. It also > appears > that Vosges had a small community of Jewish people that was decimated by > the > holocaust. and there was a synagogue in Epinal - I googled synagogue and > epinal to get this info. > > So that's where I'm at; although the Somons aren't related to me at all, > except by marriage, I have maybe stumbled on a lost part of the family's > history. If anyone is related to them directly and would like to get in > touch, please do. > > Best regards, > > Jessica Leschnikoff - and I thought my last name was "complicated". > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Josef, Whilst I'm not a direct descendant of Hermann, he is on my family tree. I thus have certain details about some living direct descendants that should assist you in making contact. It may also interest you that I featured an item about Hermann's son, Frederick Hermann KISCH, in a recent issue of my family newsletter. If you'd like to email me privately, I'd be happy to pass on what I have, including a copy of the relevant newsletter. Cheers, Babs O'Connor Penrith, NSW, Australia

Hello Steve In the 1911 census there is an Esther Nathanson aged 36 and Lewis Nathanson aged 37 living in St George in the East. Searching 13 St George St, St George in the East brings them up as well as children, Abram, Annie, Becky, Blomna, Mark, Morry, Solomon and Woolfy and Freda. http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx I don't subscribe to read more, but it would be worthwhile to apply for the full transcript which you can do on line. This may bring further clues for you. <Esther Nathanson who lived at 13 St George Street, London E-1 who was married to Lewis Steve Harshfield Orlando, FL> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

What about SLOMAN as an alternative? This is a name known in Leeds and elsewhere. Shirley Holton London UK

Hello Bob and all. OK, in my usual fashion, I have built up a picture and sent a few FaceBook messages to possibles.There are three recorded possible marriages of a Gerald J Levy. Perhaps the same Gerald, perhaps not. I have found birth- records of one child of the first marriage, three children of the second and no child of the third.As soon as I get a reply, I'll let you know and I'll also send as soon as possible to you what I have found so far.Phillip ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:47:37 -0700 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Gerald LEVY > To: [email protected] > > Phillip > Unfortunately I only know the names of Rebecca's parents Nathan and > Nellie Jacobs and Joseph's father Hiam a builder > > I have no idea of any of Gerald's siblings. I only know Rebecca's > sibling because that is my grandmother. > > I'm still in the "building" process. > > Bob > > ________________________________ > From: Phillip Campbell > To: BRITISH-JEWRY AT ROOTSWEB DOT COM > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 11:16:27 PM > Subject: RE: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Gerald LEVY > > > > Hello Bob and all. I believe that I may have found descendents for > Gerald J Levy born 1934 Stepney.Is there any other information that you > can supply? Geralds siblings if any? I'll let you know as soon as > possible. > > Phillip Campbell > Amirim Village > Galilee Israel

Hello Bob and all. I believe that I may have found descendents for Gerald J Levy born 1934 Stepney.Is there any other information that you can supply? Geralds siblings if any? I'll let you know as soon as possible. Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel

I wonder if any of you can help with suggestions ? I am researching information for my cousin, and have come a little stuck. I know that her grandmother was Annie Kazansky nee Cohen, b. 1882, and that Annie's parents were Moses (a glazier) and Fanny. According to Annie's birth certificate, Fanny was Cohen formerly Cohen. Moses and Fanny appear in Census records of 1881 and 1891 at 33 Verdon Street, Manchester. In 1881, the census shows Moses at 36 years and Fanny at 28 years, and that two of their children, Rebecca (aged 14) and Reuben (aged 12) had been born in Manchester, so had hoped to find them on 1871 census. After much searching of 1871 census, I came across a family at 18 Verdon Street which looks similar, but not quite. Moses Levensovege, aged 27, Glazier. His wife, Agy, aged 28. Children including Rebecca (aged 2.5) and Reuben (aged 9 months). Birth records indicate this was probably a miss-spell, as these two children were registered at birth with surnames of Levonovitch and Levinowich. So I seek advise: Could this be the same family, who simplified their name by adopting Cohen ? If this is the same family, I would really like to find some other evidence to tie them in, but cannot see the name appearing anywhere else. Any advice welcomed. Thanks in advance Andy Lister

So probably, David Somon was from a village or town near to Epinal. Jessica, I'll get back to you off-list, because this is outside the remit of the list. Sherry (Oxford, UK)

I am seeking to find a GERALD J. LEVY born in London in 1934 and his descendants. I believe that he is still alive. His father was Joseph H Levy, a laborer, and mother Rebecca nee JACOBS. Does anyone have him in your tree? Bob Moss Chicago, Il. USA MOSCOVITCH, JACOBS, SCHNEIDER, PLOTZKER, LEVY Please consider the environment and do not print this e-mail unless there is a real need for a paper copy.

Dear Listers, In response to a question, yes, this is the same family as my first request. I have made progress: the father of the baby did tell his daughter the name of the girl who had his baby when he was sixteen. And he thought the baby may have been born in Canton Hospital in Cardiff. Plus I have found another relative for the same paternal family who has posted a family tree on line; I have written to that poster, asking if the poster had knowledge of the birth in 1966 and would be willing to share that information. (I did get permission from the half-sister to try to contact that poster.) All this, with hopes of obtaining an exact DOB! Then comes the **hard part: hoping that the adopted girl knows that she is adopted and that she has registered as being interested in finding out more about her birth family. If you are in Cardiff, and if you can look at files there, please let me know.... Barbara Zimmer In Virginia where the path of the impending hurricane is still a big question mark,,,

I have posted this request before, in July of this year, and received some very good ideas from some of you. And, thanks for that. Also, you reported a number of people having similar or the same surnames, etc. However, I want to, here, be very specific with the hope that someone out there may be able to zero in on a solution for me. I am seeking two important items of information: 1. The birth dates and places of Aaron PHILLIPS and Catherine ("Kate") ISAACS, and 2. The names of (and any other info) their parents. David and Catherine were married at the Great Synagogue, in London, 22 Jun, 1831, about two years before their first child, Sophia was born, in Jamaica. So, apparently, the two newlyweds emigrated from England to Jamaica between 1831 and 1833. Both David and Kate died in Jamaica; David April, 1856, and Catherine, March, 1875. David and Kate's marriage records show that his father's Hebrew name was Aryeh Shirga Pais, and her Hebrew name was Keila and her father's was Issachar Behr. You have sent me some people who, when married, recorded their parents as Aryeh PHILLIPS, Aryeh PAIS, and for the fried Issachar BEHR. How many such people would have these names? How can I determine with some certainty that they are the same person? Any tips, clues, help, ANY INFORMATION about the family would be appreciated VERY MUCH. Thanks for any help!! Dan H. New Orleans, La. USA Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, Thank you to Keira Lockyer, Linda Kelly, Michael Sayers and Sherry Landa for their help in researching the Soman family from Norwich. I had a daft thought that maybe, Soman was the anglicized way of pronouncing the French "saumon" - reason being that one of the early Soman people is said to have come here from Epinal in Vosges, France. Why would an immigrant adopt this pronounciation of the French for salmon? Why are so many of our Jewish families named Salmon eh? So, I wondered what the odds were for there being families with the name of Salmon in Vosges, and I did a search on Geneanet.org, and promptly came up with quite a number of trees with the Salmon name in them. Not only that, but it appears that the places these Salmons were living in are very closeby to Epinal - surrounding villages in fact. So probably, David Somon was from a village or town near to Epinal. Perhaps some of your could advise me further; I already have cottoned on to the link between Solomon and Salmon / Salomon, Saloman etc. It also appears that Vosges had a small community of Jewish people that was decimated by the holocaust. and there was a synagogue in Epinal - I googled synagogue and epinal to get this info. So that's where I'm at; although the Somons aren't related to me at all, except by marriage, I have maybe stumbled on a lost part of the family's history. If anyone is related to them directly and would like to get in touch, please do. Best regards, Jessica Leschnikoff - and I thought my last name was "complicated".

Well, let me thank you very much for the work you done and for your fast answer. I will be waiting for the details Again thanks and Toda Raba Shalom Josef Carel On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Phillip Campbell wrote: > > Hello all and hello Josef, I have found you living descendents as you asked. I'll send the details to you directly as I'm not sure whether it would be appropriate here.Best wishes, > > Phillip Campbell > Amirim Village > Galilee Israel > > > ________________________________

I am researching my father's family in the US/England/Latvia and Poland. My Grandfather was Samuel Henry Harshfield who was born in Riga Latvia 4/22/approximately 1881/85 or 87 depending on the record. I have been able to identify that he had 9 siblings of whom 4 were alive in the 1911 UK Census, all born in Riga (three named - Annie, Fanny & Abey)> Samuel's parents were Jacob & Mary nee Levy. Jacob was born in Riga approximately 1846 and Mary also in Riga approximately 1881. I have no other info on Jacob or Mary and am looking for additional info. Samuel married Sarah Rose nee Abrahams in 1906 and had 7 siblings. Sarah was born approximately 12/25/1888 in Linchitz Poland to Abraham Abrahams in 1862 and Hannah(Hendel) nee Klarik in 1883 in Kalisz, Poland. I am looking for additional info on Abraham & Hannah's family. Her mother & father were Abraham Klarik & Esther Bach (both born in "Russia") Samuel & Sarah immigrated to the US in the 1910's/20's and Sarah's Mother Hendel and the other siblings immigrated in the 1910's to the US. Sarah noted that her aunt was Esther Bathanson on her ship record which I have identified as Esther Nathanson who lived at 13 St George Street, London E-1 who was married to Lewis but cannot identify the link to whom she was related. The Harshfield name was alternately spelled Hirschfield/Hershfield/Harshfild/Harshfeld/Herschfield depending on the document (sometimes 2 spellings on 1 document). It appears that both families immigrated to England somewhere in the 1880/90s and lived in Mile End Old Town, London. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Harshfield Orlando, FL

I had a look in the British Library online database for India Office family history research: http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/Home.aspx There was only one "hit" - understandable, since most of the records will be from the Christian churches - showing that there is an entry in "Who was Who" IV p.646 You may be able to get access to this book via a library nearer to you? best wishes Mary SW Herts, UK ________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:34:50 +0300 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Looking for Descendants of Herman Michael Kisch To: [email protected] > Hermann M. Kisch, born 1851, was a prominent civil servant of the British > Empire in India married with Alice Elkin. > < snip > > Josef Carel ------------------------------

For a friend, I am seeking the actual DOB of a girl born in Cardiff Wales early in 1966 to two teenagers. The baby was given up for adoption. Is there anyone who could do a lookup in the Cardiff records (on-site) ? I have the name of the child and possibly the hospital where she was born. I can also share the names of the parents with a researcher. If you can help me, please contact me off-line. Barbara Zimmer Virginia (waiting to see if Hurricane Earl threatens our coastline)

Please share your responses with the list with information concerning Steve's relatives in England. Respond privately to Steve concerning any information you have for the U.S., Latvia and Poland since that would be off-topic for our list. Jackye and Sherry Admin. >I am researching my father's family in the US/England/Latvia and > Poland. > > Steve Harshfield > Orlando, FL >

Hi Angie, I have a Yekutiel in my tree (not a COHEN though) - in Ashkenazi Hebrew this would have been Yekusiel; the 'secular' name was Ksyle, and I believe that in Yiddish he would have been 'Kissel'. His name was carried on through a granddaughter called Cecelia. Hope that helps Richard Beach SW Herts Researching BEACH/PRZYBYSZ (London from 1906), PERLOFF (London from 1914), FRANKLIN (London from 1800), MARKS (London from 1771), JACOBS (London from 1792), MARKOVITCH (London from 1880), ZOLTY (London from 1884) and a few more... > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:38:34 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Max (Mark) Cohen > According to the tombstone I saw in Leeds of my ggrandfather - Shmuel (Max's > brother) - the father's name was Yekutiel, a very unusual name, and none of the > grandchildren (of neither Shmuel nor Max) have carried on with this name. >

> Hermann M. Kisch, born 1851, was a prominent civil servant of the British > Empire in India married with Alice Elkin. > They had 5 children: Cecil Herman Kisch, born 1884 in Calcutta, Ethel A. > Kisch, born 1886, Frederick Hermann Kisch, born 1888 in India, Evelyn A. > Kisch, born 1892 in London and Dorothy A. Kisch born 1900 in Clifton, > Somerset, England. > Cecil Herman Kisch was married first with Myra Adler who died 1919 but > married to Rebecca Grace Joseph in 1922. They had 3 children: > Evelyn Mira Kisch who died in 1945 and she was 33 year old, John Marcus > Kisch died 1992 and was 76 years old, and Oliver Cecil Kisch who was 27 > years old when he died in 1943. > Im looking for the direct descendants of Herman Michael Kisch who are > living today , perhaps the grandsons of Cecil Hermann Kisch, maybe sons of > John Marcus Kisch and also the grandsons of Evelyn A Kisch. > Im an israeli history researcher and I will thanks any help in finding the > descendants and have the possibility to contact them. > I hope this is the right address to my request. > Thanks and Shalom > Josef Carel