Dear Brian and Philip (et al) I'm not sure if JOFFE is correct (I agree that the FreeBMD does show the index page is typed and depicts JOFFE). However Jewish Chronicle has the name as JAFFE. It also mentions the death of Wolfe JAFFE, father of Rose (JAFFE) GOLDFIELD. A Wolfe JAFFE of Manchester is also mentioned JewishGen's Shtetl Links about the BOR family. Can anyone shed further light on this? Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Whilst the British Library is being retained in the current round of cuts there will possibly be "rationalisation" of The National Archives. A warning there, for users and potential users. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24_09_10_bbcnewsquangos3.pdf <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/24_09_10_bbcnewsquangos3.pdf> See pg 6 and pg 12 Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) www.hazeldakers.co.uk <outbind://12/www.hazeldakers.co.uk>

Hello again Brian and all.Re Unerman family, my offer to find living relatives is open too. By chance, one of them has a daughter who is a friend of a young third-cousin of mine near London.If so, please let me know.Thanks. Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel

Hello Brian and all.Brian, it's easily done, but you may be mixing Goldfields and Goldmans. I have found a marriage-record of Charles Goldfield marrying in 1945 Rose Joffe in Manchester.If you are looking for living descendents of this marriage, I would be pleased to help you. This is my speciality. Best wishes. Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel.

Hello: I'm interested in finding out anything I can on this gentleman. I believe there are two men with the same name, and I would like any information on either. The first was brother in law to J. Unerman and Charles Samuel Goldfield. J. Unerman may be Jacob Unerman or Joseph Unerman. These people lived on Fawley Road, Tottenham in the early decades of the 20th century. The "other" Jack Goldman married Rose Jaffe on September 4,1945, and I believe they had nine children, Stella, Zalman, Ada, Leah, Abraham, Maurice, Ephram, Isaac, and Julius. Any information would be most welcome. Thank you, Brian

Hello: I'm doing research on my paternal grandmother May Unerman, and would welcome any information anyone has on the Unerman family. As some background, she came over to Britain from Yevpatoriya, Ukraine around 1903 with her husband, Joe Goldfield. They settled in Tottenham, North London, and had eight children. I have dome quite a bit of research on the family, along with my genelogical friend, Jeremey Frankel, and would be happy share the research I've done with anyone. Thank you. Brian

Hi Brian, Do you want to give us a bit more information? Also, where are you? (No good sending you to the LDS library if you are in the Middle East, for example). If they arrived in 1903 they should be on the 1911 census. Also, if there were children born in UK you should be able to get their birth certificates. Have you checked for naturalisation records? Let us know what you have and what gaps you are trying to plug. Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK-still at home laid up-literally) > I'm doing research on my Goldfield family, and would welcome anyone who has genelogical information on them.  As some background my grandparents came over from Yevpatoriya, Ukraine around 1903, and settled in the Tottenham, London area.  I have quite a bit of information and would be happy to share it with anyone.

Hello: I'm doing research on my Goldfield family, and would welcome anyone who has genelogical information on them. As some background my grandparents came over from Yevpatoriya, Ukraine around 1903, and settled in the Tottenham, London area. I have quite a bit of information and would be happy to share it with anyone. Thank you, Brian

I am most grateful to Sherry for the info on Sheffield. I am coming to live there from Oct 25-Jan 29th. & am devastated to learn of the closure of the Archives. I had hoped to do a lot of research. >>11 Oct 2010 - Sheffield Archives will be closed from Monday, 11 Oct until late summer 2011. 11 Oct 2010 - Archives fiche and film and catalogues / finding aids (but not the card index) will be transferred to the Local Studies Library. 18 Oct 2010 - Archives fiche and film service will reopen at Local Studies. 4 Jan 2011 - Limited Archives document issue service will be made available at the Local Studies Library. Points to note: * There will be no document issue service at all between 11 Oct 2010 and 4 Jan 2011 (but see below re transcribing projects). * All of our events / workshops / lectures / displays etc. will continue as normal at a variety of venues (other than an introductory session to Archives which was scheduled for 13 October. This event has been cancelled.) * We will continue to produce the Newsletter throughout the closed period. * We will continue to Roger Lewry >>>(What does this mean??) FFHS Archives Liaison [email protected] If there are any Listers who live in Sheffield & would be interested in making contact, I'd be grateful. I'll be reachable c/o The Crucible Theatre. Best-Miriam Margolyes South London searching: SANDEMAN, LAZARUS (ISAACS) LEFKOWITZ, MICHAELS, SNAPPER __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5465 (20100920) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Philip If the person you are looking for is buried in a United Synagogue or Federation Synagogue cemetery, their burial society may be able to help you Regards Sue Coleman Harrow, England On 20 September 2010 10:29, Phillip Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Miriam, Jeremy and all those that have kindly given their time in answer to my question. Based on those answers, even though I am in no way a genelogist as such, more of a 'family-re-uniter',I shall begin to compose a letter to a very elderly Jewish gentleman in England whose main wish is to find out where his father was buried. I shall try to explain to him all that you have kindly advised me. I'm sure that he'll be pleased to know all that I shall tell him. Again very many thanks. > > Phillip Campbell > Amirim Village > Galilee Israel > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I totally endorse Jeremy's comments, and would made the additional comments as one who works in a county record office in the UK and who is often asked about this topic. Probably the main reason that there is no 'central database' is that there are different types of cemeteries in England and Wales and their records are held by different organisations. To use the county of Surrey as an example, local authorities (e.g. borough councils) are normally responsible for municipal cemeteries, including sections reserved for specific religious groups, and therefore will hold the relevant records. There are also privately-owned cemeteries, such as Brookwood near Woking whose records are held by the cemetery company. (In the case of Brookwood, however, copies of these registers are also held at the county record office). In the case of faith-specific cemeteries, the records are normally in the possession of the relevant religious organisation, such as the United Synagogue. As the ‘established religion’, Anglican churches are required to deposit burial registers over 100 years old with the county record office but, in most cases, these registers do not contain details of grave locations. Consequently, the creation of a central database would be a logistical challenge, to say the least. It’s easy enough to find a registered death but what happens to the body afterwards often remains a mystery! Jill Staines, Middlesex

Dear Naomi, Thank you for the reference to the book at www.issuu.com. I was delighted to find a photo of the Nile Street shops in Hoxton, as my grandparents had a bootmaker's shop at 29 Nile Street a couple of years after the photograph was taken (1906). It must have been just down the road from the shops in the photo. Kind regards, Liz Greene > Dear All > > I just came across this site which would be of interest > to anyone who had relatives in the East End of London or in > the City of London. > Photo's of Hessel St, Brick Lane, the various markets etc > http://issuu.com/amberleypublishing/docs/london_colour_archive > Also, http://www.londonlives.org/formPersName.jsp > covering 1690-1820 in London. > > Naomi Ogin > Brisbane > Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH, > DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH > HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH > RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE > TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON > > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All I just came across this site which would be of interest to anyone who had relatives in the East End of London or in the City of London. Photo's of Hessel St, Brick Lane, the various markets etc http://issuu.com/amberleypublishing/docs/london_colour_archive Also, http://www.londonlives.org/formPersName.jsp covering 1690-1820 in London. Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH, DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON

Thanks to Naomi Ogin for that excellent site : amazing stories found therein including evidence of violent antisemitism before 1800. Aubrey Jacobus London ----- Original Message ----- From: "naomi ogin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:40 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] London Research > Dear All > > I just came across this site which would be of interest > to anyone who had relatives in the East End of London or in > the City of London. > Photo's of Hessel St, Brick Lane, the various markets etc > http://issuu.com/amberleypublishing/docs/london_colour_archive > Also, http://www.londonlives.org/formPersName.jsp > covering 1690-1820 in London. > > Naomi Ogin > Brisbane > Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH, > DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH > HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH > RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE > TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON > > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Miriam, Jeremy and all those that have kindly given their time in answer to my question. Based on those answers, even though I am in no way a genelogist as such, more of a 'family-re-uniter',I shall begin to compose a letter to a very elderly Jewish gentleman in England whose main wish is to find out where his father was buried. I shall try to explain to him all that you have kindly advised me. I'm sure that he'll be pleased to know all that I shall tell him. Again very many thanks. Phillip Campbell Amirim Village Galilee Israel

Dear Jeremy, Thank you ever so much for explaining the issues re 'a' National Burial Register. I've been thinking how I could reply to Phillip, but you have done it so well and explained the problems so much better than I could. Thank you. Kind regards, Miriam Pollak Londondoing research into Plashet cemetery> I believed you ask the question why there isn't a national burial database? There are probably several good reasons why there isn't. One fact is that these things aren't done for the benefit of genealogists, shocking as it may seem. Many "systems" evolve over time, not through any desire for efficiency.

To supplement Jeremy Frankel's post re death records in the United States, only people covered by Social Security would appear on the Social Security death records. Very briefly and generally, Social Security was not instituted until the 1930's, and only people who worked in covered employment (and their spouses) would have a social security card. Now for tax purposes children receive cards (at their parents' application) at birth, but many people born before the 1930's would not be in the records. Carol Freeman Potomac Maryland

Phillip, I'm confident that a researcher armed with the information provided by listers can find where he's buried. It might even be possible for you to do it from your computer. Good luck. Jackye Sullins Carlsbad, CA > > I shall begin to compose a letter to a very elderly Jewish gentleman in > England whose main wish is to find out where his father was buried. I > shall try to explain to him all that you have kindly advised me. I'm sure > that he'll be pleased to know all that I shall tell him. Again very many > thanks. > > Phillip Campbell > Amirim Village > Galilee Israel

This is a wonderful episode that aired here. I think Lisa is mainly responsible for bringing this program to the US. Linda Wolfe Kelley California [My great grandfather, Meyer Bereskin, was from Bobroisk, Belarus.] On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Ruth in Brum wrote: ...on BBC1 - begins at 22:25 - 23:10 pm. Who Do You Think You Are? USA, Lisa Kudrow

Dear Phillip, I believed you ask the question why there isn't a national burial database? There are probably several good reasons why there isn't. One fact is that these things aren't done for the benefit of genealogists, shocking as it may seem. Many "systems" evolve over time, not through any desire for efficiency. It may be that there is a bureaucratic "disconnect" between agencies. For example, there are many genealogists who don't live in the USA who think that there are three national indices, one for birth, marriage and death. The reality is that there are FIFTY of each - for every state in America. Furthermore, the registration of death is done at either city, county or state level, but not at federal (national) level. So, even though social security benefits ARE distributed by a federal level agency, when a person dies, I believe there is no mechanism between states and federal government, so that the so-called Social Security Death Index can never contain 100 percent of all the deceased in the USA. Sorry to breach the etiquette re sticking to only UK Jewry. But this was the best example I could come up with. And perhaps in a perverse way, the fact that we have to belabour under such challenges only serves to hone our skills at locating our ancestors. I sometimes think I WON'T tell a certain commercial genealogy company that their indexing is in error, because then I know that someone who is a good researcher will figure it out and find the person whose name was horribly mangled. The fact that we have GRO could be considered a fluke in having a government that decided back in 1836 to have a local registration system which also sent their "returns" to London to create a national database for birth, marriage and death. As Jackye wrote, we need to consider ourselves lucky as well as being one of very fwe countries that have such a system. When you do finally solve the problem, 'm sure we'd all enjoy reading how you overcame it. Good luck, Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA