Yes I had considered that. The parents are buried in England. I have death certificates. Quoting Bob Moss <[email protected]>: > BRICK WALL NO. 2 > I cannot find a marriage for either of them nor children. Also cannot > pinpoint death. > > Checked Jewish Chronicle and ran through all databases on ancestry.com. > > I presume you have considered whether the family left England again? worth a look in Australia or New Zealand cheers Cynthia, NZ
Hi Knowing that both my grandfather changed his name to Moss just before my father's birth I had only looked for that derivation but I will check others. Think I will be in London in Nov. Will let you know. Incidentally the Rose Levy that you had a shot of unfortunately is the wrong one. Finally got the death cert. You win some and you lose some. Hope you are doing a little better. Ciao Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miriam Pollak Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:04 AM To: British Jewry Mailing List Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Brick Wall No. 1 - MOSCOVITCH Bob, The first thing that comes to mind is that they may have changed their name. Moscovitch is very 'foreign' sounding. Perhaps they changed it to Moscow, Morris, etc. From my hunting in the JC archives it is clear that around the turn of the century many people changed their surname to make it sound more 'English'. Just an idea ..... Miriam Pollak London > BRICK WALL No. 1. > > Harris Moscovitch born around 1841 and wife Rosa born around 1843 appear on > the 1891 UK census living in Manchester. Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Judi has asked for help with the Hebrew on a marriage authorisation for her ancestor. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/LEWISauthorisation.pdf if you can help. Please reply to the list so everyone knows who has said what, and when the query has been answered. Thanks Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK)
Hi Thanks for your replies I know exactly where you mean at New Farnley. I will be there on Sunday for my late father-in-laws consecration. Regards Suzanne -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 October 2010 19:20 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Morris family Suzanne, You don't give dates. From at least the 1920s if not before, "Louis Street Cemetery" burials were at New Farnley. Most of my family are there. http://www.iajgsjewishcemeteryproject.org/england/leeds-yorkshire.html HTH Judy London, UK On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Suzanne Vincent <[email protected]> wrote: > I have traced the burials of 2 of my ancestors Samuel and Mary Morris to > Louis Street Cemetery in Leeds. > Earlier this week I was in Leeds and drove down Louis Street but there is no > Cemetery.
Dear All In 1911, Joseph SCHLOM (aged 43 from Riga) and his wife (Mrs Schlom aged 42 from Groding) were living at 9 Sutherland Avenue, Paddington with their children Solomon/Solly aged 19, Edith aged 17 and Fanny aged 13 along with two relatives Mike SAGORSKY and Fanny SEBY/LEVY. I have info on Mike going forwards. No 9 was a shop and dwelling house. Joseph was a Tailor, and in 1914 shops 29 and 30 were registered with the Land Registry in his name. I think Ive found the childrens births Solomon SLOME, Dec, 1892, Edith SLOM, Mar 1895 and Fanny SLOM, Sept 1898, all born in Kensington and a poss marriage for Joseph to Rebecca nee LEVI at the East London Synagogue, 22nd November, 1891. Solly SCHLOM may have lived at 153 Wymering Mansions, Maida Vale, in 1934 as per info regarding a Morris SCHLOM in the London Gazette. Is anyone researching the SCHLOMs. Some went to South Africa. Im trying to deduce if Joseph was a brother or cousin of Hyman SCHLOM (Hillel son of Menassah/Marcus) who was living with his wife and children at 131 Rothschild Buildings, East End, in 1911 and perhaps Morris SCHLOM who was living with his wife and children in Folkestone, 1911. Thanks Naomi Ogin Brisbane
On the London burial site: http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/ there are burials for Two women,both named Kate Jacobs (Cheshunt Cemetery) There is a burial for Emmanual Cecile Jacobs (died 1956) at Golders Green Crematorium. There is a burial for a Beatrice Hilda Jacobs (1974) at Hoop Lane. (Of course if Beatrice had married then her surname would be different). At Enfield Cemetery there are listed: Emmanuel,Beatrice,Isadore and Katie Jacobs. Would be worth phoning the latter cemetery.This could be the family. Sincerely, Brenda Habshush, Israel. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .
Beatrice B Jacobs or Hitchin married John E Sewell, Jan-Mar 1949 in Wandsworth, Surrey, which is really London. There are various Beatrice Jacobs and Isidore Jacobs without midle initials that married in the 1940's which I presume you have seen. What have you checked out? Naomi -----Original Message----- From: Bob Moss <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 5:44 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Brick Wall No. 2 - JACOBS BRICK WALL NO. 2 Emanuel Jacobs and wife Kate Maronovitch married Aug 6, 1919 in Whitechapel. They had two children who wered both born in Mile End Old Town: Isidore Jack Jacobs b 13 May 1920 Beatrice Bella Jacobs b 17 June 1923 I cannot find a marriage for either of them nor children. Also cannot pinpoint death. Checked Jewish Chronicle and ran through all databases on ancestry.com. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA Researching: MOSCOVITCH; JACOBS; SCHNEIDER; LEVY; KERSHNER/KERSHAW Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Also in the 1901 census is this family at 544 Mile End Rd, London. I don't know if they are relevant. MOSCOVITZ, Morris Head Married M 60 1841 Fishmonger, Poland Lodz Foreign Subject MOSCOVITZ, Elena Wife Married F 58 1843, Poland Lodz Foreign Subject MOSCOVITZ, Nathan Son Single M 26 1875 Tailors Machinist, Mile End, London MOSCOVITZ, Saml Son Single M 22 1879 Fishmonger, Mile End, London MOSCOVITZ, Golda Daughter Single F 21 1880, Mile End, London MUSCOVITZ, Gershon Son M 18 1883 Mechanical Engineer, Mile End, London MUSCOVITZ, John Son M 15 1886, Mile End, London MUSCOVITZ, Bertha Daughter F 13 1888 , Mile End, London MUSCOVITZ, Rebecca Daughter F 10 1891, Mile End, London Naomi, Edinburgh -----Original Message----- From: Bob Moss <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 5:40 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Brick Wall No. 1 - MOSCOVITCH BRICK WALL No. 1. Harris Moscovitch born around 1841 and wife Rosa born around 1843 appear on the 1891 UK census living in Manchester. I cannot find them again. Their son Woolf's marriage certificate for 1907 says Harris deceased by then. I find no death record for either of them. My primary goal is to figure out where they came from "Russia/Poland" obviously tells me nothing. Although I know Harris's Hebrew name from my grandfather's headstone, I have no idea of what his non-anglicized name was. I can also find no further records on their daughter Rebecca b abt 1877 after that census. I have checked the marriages through 1920. The two that I found are Lewis Moscovitch's daughter (My cousin) and one who has a different father listed on her marriage certificate. The only death that comes up is 1918 and that person is too young to be the same one. There was another Harris Moscovitch b about 1855 and wife Nancy also living in Manchester at the same time. He is the one that became naturalized (7 below) ALREADY ELIMINATED by actual records received are: 1. Harris and Rosy Muscovitch found in 1901 census 2. Harris Moscovitch death 1911 Prestwich 3. Harris Moscovitch death 1918 Prestwich 4. Rose Moscovitch death 1922 Broughton 5. Rosa Moscovitch death 1936 Stepney 6. Rose Moscovitch death 1938 Hackney 7. Harris Moscovitch of Manchester who was naturalized in 1896. 8. Harris Moscovitch from Glascow that applied for naturalization. Yes. I have spent a lot of money obtaining actual paperwork but to little avail. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA Researching: MOSCOVITCH; JACOBS; SCHNEIDER; LEVY; KERSHNER/KERSHAW Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Harris Muscovitch, Traveller - Drapery and Rosy Muscovitch, Midwife, are living at 34 Julia St, Prestwich in the 1901 census. No children present. I'll keep looking, Naomi, Edinburgh -----Original Message----- From: Bob Moss <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 5:40 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Brick Wall No. 1 - MOSCOVITCH BRICK WALL No. 1. Harris Moscovitch born around 1841 and wife Rosa born around 1843 appear on the 1891 UK census living in Manchester. I cannot find them again. Their son Woolf's marriage certificate for 1907 says Harris deceased by then. I find no death record for either of them. My primary goal is to figure out where they came from "Russia/Poland" obviously tells me nothing. Although I know Harris's Hebrew name from my grandfather's headstone, I have no idea of what his non-anglicized name was. I can also find no further records on their daughter Rebecca b abt 1877 after that census. I have checked the marriages through 1920. The two that I found are Lewis Moscovitch's daughter (My cousin) and one who has a different father listed on her marriage certificate. The only death that comes up is 1918 and that person is too young to be the same one. There was another Harris Moscovitch b about 1855 and wife Nancy also living in Manchester at the same time. He is the one that became naturalized (7 below) ALREADY ELIMINATED by actual records received are: 1. Harris and Rosy Muscovitch found in 1901 census 2. Harris Moscovitch death 1911 Prestwich 3. Harris Moscovitch death 1918 Prestwich 4. Rose Moscovitch death 1922 Broughton 5. Rosa Moscovitch death 1936 Stepney 6. Rose Moscovitch death 1938 Hackney 7. Harris Moscovitch of Manchester who was naturalized in 1896. 8. Harris Moscovitch from Glascow that applied for naturalization. Yes. I have spent a lot of money obtaining actual paperwork but to little avail. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA Researching: MOSCOVITCH; JACOBS; SCHNEIDER; LEVY; KERSHNER/KERSHAW Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Contact [email protected] The Jewish representative council phone number 0113 269 7520. This came from the IAGS site but they will be able to help you Roseamry Hoffman Wembley UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzanne Vincent Sent: 03 October 2010 15:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Morris family Hello I have traced the burials of 2 of my ancestors Samuel and Mary Morris to Louis Street Cemetery in Leeds. I know the Shul used to be on the corner of Louis Street and Chapeltown Road and is now a mosque. Earlier this week I was in Leeds and drove down Louis Street but there is no Cemetery. Can anyone advise me on this. Thanks. Suzanne Vincent Manchester Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Bob, The first thing that comes to mind is that they may have changed their name. Moscovitch is very 'foreign' sounding. Perhaps they changed it to Moscow, Morris, etc. From my hunting in the JC archives it is clear that around the turn of the century many people changed their surname to make it sound more 'English'. Just an idea ..... Miriam Pollak London > BRICK WALL No. 1. > > Harris Moscovitch born around 1841 and wife Rosa born around 1843 appear on > the 1891 UK census living in Manchester.
Deaths Mar 1933 Jacobs Isadore J 12 Stepney 1c 423 (he would have been 12 going on 13 which fits) Close but no cigar: John E Sewell married Beatrice B Jacobs Or Hitchin Jan-Feb-Mar 1949 Wandsworth Surrey but I think she was originally Beatrice B Hitchin who married Charles Jacobs in 1933 and then John E Sewell in 1949 Long shot: Ronald R Barnett married Bella Jacobs Oct-Nov-Dec 1953 Hackney Middlesex Regards, Susan McPhedran -----Original Message----- From: Bob Moss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 October 2010 00:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Brick Wall No. 2 - JACOBS BRICK WALL NO. 2 Emanuel Jacobs and wife Kate Maronovitch married Aug 6, 1919 in Whitechapel. They had two children who were both born in Mile End Old Town: Isidore Jack Jacobs b 13 May 1920 Beatrice Bella Jacobs b 17 June 1923 I cannot find a marriage for either of them nor children. Also cannot pinpoint death. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA
BRICK WALL NO. 2 Emanuel Jacobs and wife Kate Maronovitch married Aug 6, 1919 in Whitechapel. They had two children who were both born in Mile End Old Town: Isidore Jack Jacobs b 13 May 1920 Beatrice Bella Jacobs b 17 June 1923 I cannot find a marriage for either of them nor children. Also cannot pinpoint death. Checked Jewish Chronicle and ran through all databases on ancestry.com. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA Researching: MOSCOVITCH; JACOBS; SCHNEIDER; LEVY; KERSHNER/KERSHAW
BRICK WALL No. 1. Harris Moscovitch born around 1841 and wife Rosa born around 1843 appear on the 1891 UK census living in Manchester. I cannot find them again. Their son Woolf's marriage certificate for 1907 says Harris deceased by then. I find no death record for either of them. My primary goal is to figure out where they came from "Russia/Poland" obviously tells me nothing. Although I know Harris's Hebrew name from my grandfather's headstone, I have no idea of what his non-anglicized name was. I can also find no further records on their daughter Rebecca b abt 1877 after that census. I have checked the marriages through 1920. The two that I found are Lewis Moscovitch's daughter (My cousin) and one who has a different father listed on her marriage certificate. The only death that comes up is 1918 and that person is too young to be the same one. There was another Harris Moscovitch b about 1855 and wife Nancy also living in Manchester at the same time. He is the one that became naturalized (7 below) ALREADY ELIMINATED by actual records received are: 1. Harris and Rosy Muscovitch found in 1901 census 2. Harris Moscovitch death 1911 Prestwich 3. Harris Moscovitch death 1918 Prestwich 4. Rose Moscovitch death 1922 Broughton 5. Rosa Moscovitch death 1936 Stepney 6. Rose Moscovitch death 1938 Hackney 7. Harris Moscovitch of Manchester who was naturalized in 1896. 8. Harris Moscovitch from Glascow that applied for naturalization. Yes. I have spent a lot of money obtaining actual paperwork but to little avail. Bob Moss Chicago, Il USA Researching: MOSCOVITCH; JACOBS; SCHNEIDER; LEVY; KERSHNER/KERSHAW
There are a whole bunch of dead ends but some may open up with documents I ordered late last week. I'll post separate emails for each of those for which I have no warm leads Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jewish Admin Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 2:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Which databases to use? Hi Bob, >From my point of view, I have found things on FMP which I have not been able to find on A. I think some of it has to do with the indexing and search facility. It could also be user-error or user-ineptitude :-) Do you want to tell us what you are missing specifically? Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK)
Hello I have traced the burials of 2 of my ancestors Samuel and Mary Morris to Louis Street Cemetery in Leeds. I know the Shul used to be on the corner of Louis Street and Chapeltown Road and is now a mosque. Earlier this week I was in Leeds and drove down Louis Street but there is no Cemetery. Can anyone advise me on this. Thanks. Suzanne Vincent Manchester
Dear Listers, I wrote some months ago about my ROSENBERG ancestors and have made some progress but have many questions still. If anyone has any of these people in their trees I would love to hear more. Grandfather Nathan ROSENBERG b. 1907, d. 1977 His father Nathan ROSENBERG b. Recize, Minsk 1885, d. 1906. Cast off by his father for marrying Annie BENJAMIN without approval. His father David ROSENBERG, dealer in India rubber, b. 15 Feb 1859 Recize, Minsk, d 1932 London. Arrived in England with wife Rachael c. 1886. Naturalised 15 Jan 1894. Held a religious post of some kind. Lived in Mile End, London. Children: Leah b. 1881 Barnett b. 1883 Retan / Nathan b. 1885, d. 1906 from anthrax caught working as an unholsterer after being cast out of the family firm, before my grandfather was born. Sisch / Lizzie / Elizabeth b. 1887 Esther b. 1890 Annie b. 1893 Florence b. 1895 Sarah / Elezadora b. 1898 Minnie b. 1900 Queenie Victoria b. 1902 Bessie b. 1904. If you have information about any of these I would love to know. In the 1930's Rachael was living in Allison Rd in N London with Florence + husband Bert, and someone called Millie. Many thanks, Naomi, in Edinburgh, researching ROSENBERG, BENJAMIN, PRINZ/PRINCE and FRANKLIN.
Found some more info on the marriage of Jacob LEWIS and Jane/Fanny SMITH, 4th Dec 1885.The details available on line are slightly incorrect. Jacob's Hebrew name is Yakov Arieh son of Azriel Zelig. Jane's Hebrew name is Feiga Rosa daughter of Akiva, not Reva. The address was 35 Van Dyke Street, Leeds, and she came from her father's home so it implies he was still alive in November, 1885. The Hebrew on the marriage authorisation is not easy to read, but Jacob had at least one brother, Dov Ber, and possibly another called Yehudah Leib. Dov Ber may have used the name of David, Barnet, Benjamin or Bernard LEWIS. If it's factual that Jacob had three brothers, I would assume that at least Dov Ber was also in Leeds. The MA does say where Jacob and Jane came from originally, both are place names, but the writing is very feint. In 1911, Jacob was a Slipper Manufacturer Employer and he was naturalised in 1894, so I think it must be the same Jacob who shows on the UK Archives on line of 19 Brunswick St, Leeds. The address in 1911 was 32 Darley St,North St,Leeds and there were six rooms in the property. If anyone is searching for LEWIS and SMITH living in Leeds at some stage, they might well be connected to your family Judi. <Searching Jacob Lewis b. 1864 wife Fanny Smith b. 1864 Judi Conway, USA> Naomi Ogin Brisbane
Why not send it to me and I will put it on the website for members to look at? Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > I got their marriage authorization from the Synogogue but it's not very > ledgable :( > I could send you a copy privately if you think you could help read it.
Hi Bob, >From my point of view, I have found things on FMP which I have not been able to find on A. I think some of it has to do with the indexing and search facility. It could also be user-error or user-ineptitude :-) Do you want to tell us what you are missing specifically? Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) On 1 October 2010 18:34, Bob Moss <[email protected]> wrote: > > For searching British records and tracing people is there any significant > difference between what is available <snip> have hit the proverbial brick wall and am > looking for some new streams to follow.