Hi Ann Royal Free Archive Centre http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR= 1530 have info for Friern Hospital including patient records from 1850-1994. You can email them. There are also records from 1847-1993 with the London Metropolitan Archives. There is information in here which also mentions Jewish patients http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=11805&inst_id=118&nv1=sea rch&nv2= <institutionalized at Frien Barnet, Ann Linder, Florida Naomi Ogin Brisbane

Georgina, Where did Michael Hart die? It might provide a clue to where he is buried. He doesn't appear to have been buried in any of the United Synagogue's Cemeteries in London. Regards, Miriam > Thank for your offer it was Michael Hart who died 10 March 1910, his brother > was David Hart, my great grandfather. I was hoping that it says where he is > buried, I know his wife was Kate and he had four children. >

Dear Ruth, My name is Miriam Pollak (everyone mis-spells the surname). It is a CD-ROM of personal entries from the Jewish Chronicle from 01 January 1900 to 31 December 1909 inclusive. Entries include: Births, Barmitzvahs, Engagements, Marriages, Deaths and In Memoriam. I've also added Tombstone settings to deaths that I could be certain about. I have a couple of CD's left (bear in mind the CD only works in a Windows environment, not Mac) and would be happy to pass them on to interested parties, as my husband and I are about to depart from England where we have been for the last four years. Please contact me directly if you are interested. Miriam Borehamwood > > What is Miriam Pollack's fabulous CD "The JC Project" and how does one get > it? > Thanks, Ruth > >

Fully searchable CD of transcripts of announcements (B, M, D, stone settings, bar mitvahs, bethrothals/engagements, return thanks, anniversary weddings etc) from 1900-1909 (I think). Available from Miriam who will read this (we hope) and respond. Beauty of it is the search facility because you can get, say, all the entries mentioning Leeds or look for children whose names you don't know by searching under the relatives field etc. HTH Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > What is Miriam Pollack's fabulous CD "The JC Project"  and how does one get > it?

thank you to everyone who posted info. Its exactly what I was looking for to take my search further. -- Kindest Regards, Ann Linder Florida USA

I don't know of Fanny, but do have SCHAPERE if that can equate to SAPERIA. The spelling came from the Latvian Archives. Clara DAVIDOVITZ/DAVIDOFF nee SCHAPERE. Hebrew name is Glike d of Shraiga Faibush H'Cohen. She passed away in Stepney, 1927 and was born in Schaulen/Siauliai in 1852. Her children were all born in Riga. Two survived. Rosa (Gita Dreisa) went on to marry Aaron RABINOVITCH in the East End, 1898 and I've traced her brother, Abraham David known as David, to Boston, Mass. The surname eventually became DAVIDSON. I've not found Clara in the East End of London in 1911, so there's a chance she may have been in the north of England. I have a photo of Rosa's wedding day at the East London Synagogue. I think one of the ladies could be Clara. I don't know about the others, and they could well be from the SCHAPERE family. <I found Fanny SAPERIA's parents:Meyer,the Shoemaker,b.1848,and Annie W.37 Cannon St.,Leeds. Linda Wolfe Kelley, California> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

The records of Colney Hatch Asylum and its later incarnations are at the London Metropolitan Archives (http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/) but are, I believe, subject to a closure period. However, it would be worth contacting the Archives to see what is available. Best wishes, Gerry On 12/10/2010 21:54, Ann Linder wrote: > In the 1940s, a family member had a nervous breakdown and I am told > she was institutionalized at Frien Barnet Hertfordshire London. >> From an internet search it appears to me to be a neighborhood rather > than the name of a hospital. So perhaps the hospital or institution > was in that neighborhood. Might it be today’s Barnet General > Hospital? Anyone have an idea which hospital or institution this might > have been& if it exists today? > And if I can locate the hospital, does anyone know if her surviving > family is entitled to her medical record? > > I found the following: A Middlesex County Asylum, known as Colney > Hatch Asylum was opened in 1851; became a London County Council > asylum; became Colney Hatch Mental Hospital from 1918 to 1937; renamed > Friern Mental Hospital in 1937; from 1959 it was Friern Hospital, > Friern Barnet Road, New Southgate London N11 3BP. > -- > Kindest Regards, > Ann Linder > Florida USA > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes Barnet General is there today Hospital records normally closed for 100 years but Freedom of Information Act may make them available Colney Hatch different in 1940 from 1900 see my website report www.Jacobus.org.uk Apply under the FOI Act and see what happens Aubrey Jacobus London ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Linder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Frien Barnet Hertfordshire In the 1940s, a family member had a nervous breakdown and I am told she was institutionalized at Frien Barnet Hertfordshire London. >From an internet search it appears to me to be a neighborhood rather than the name of a hospital. So perhaps the hospital or institution was in that neighborhood. Might it be today’s Barnet General Hospital? Anyone have an idea which hospital or institution this might have been & if it exists today? And if I can locate the hospital, does anyone know if her surviving family is entitled to her medical record? I found the following: A Middlesex County Asylum, known as Colney Hatch Asylum was opened in 1851; became a London County Council asylum; became Colney Hatch Mental Hospital from 1918 to 1937; renamed Friern Mental Hospital in 1937; from 1959 it was Friern Hospital, Friern Barnet Road, New Southgate London N11 3BP. -- Kindest Regards, Ann Linder Florida USA Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoops, I'm only half way through my coffee. I meant Georgina, not Cynthia. Jeremy Dear Georgina, I think it might help if you could provide the specific date of the missing issue. Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Dear Cynthia, I think it might help if you could provide the specific date of the missing issue. Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Hi Georgina You wrote: >I read Cynthia's JC list and found the name of a relation, > I didnt even think to see if the names were part of 'our' family! Which one is it and I will email you the actual photo of it. That goes for anyone else - if you find a relative let me know and I can send you a hi-res photo of the piece. Cheers Cynthia in sunny springtime, New Zealand

What is Miriam Pollack's fabulous CD "The JC Project" and how does one get it? Thanks, Ruth

I know about the information about the HENRY's in Ancestry, but thank you for pointing me to it. I'm hoping for any burial information, or data on any of the HENRY children's destinations/fate/marriages, data on where the HENRY's came from (better yet, what their last names would have been prior to emigrating to England), information on where they went to synagogue each week, anything other than what the two census sources say. I looked closer at the census information, and it seems they were from Pozen, which would have been carved out of Poland and annexed to Germany, so I see why they would have found a more amiable place to live (i.e., England).

Ann It's an area in North London and there was a major psychiatric hospital there for many years, but it is now closed and truned into upmarket apartments. It is nothing at all to do with Barnet General Hospital. What Health Authority it may have come under and who may now have the records I will leave to another correspondent! I have no idea who takes over medical records, but someone else must have. Chris Godbold Corby, England

Hi Cynthia, Thank for your offer it was Michael Hart who died 10 March 1910, his brother was David Hart, my great grandfather. I was hoping that it says where he is buried, I know his wife was Kate and he had four children. Thanks again Regards Georgina

Friern Barnet It was a very large mental hospital -usually referred to as Colney hatch as it was in Colney hatch lane see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colney_Hatch_Lunatic_Asylum It was an early lunatic asylum .I remebr visitng a patient there in the 1970's before it closed in 1993, Rosemary Hoffman Wembley UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ann Linder Sent: 12 October 2010 21:55 To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Frien Barnet Hertfordshire In the 1940s, a family member had a nervous breakdown and I am told she was institutionalized at Frien Barnet Hertfordshire London. >From an internet search it appears to me to be a neighborhood rather than the name of a hospital.  So perhaps the hospital or institution was in that neighborhood.   Might it be today’s Barnet General Hospital? Anyone have an idea which hospital or institution this might have been & if it exists today? And if I can locate the hospital, does anyone know if her surviving family is entitled to her medical record? I found the following: A Middlesex County Asylum, known as Colney Hatch Asylum was opened in 1851; became a London County Council asylum; became Colney Hatch Mental Hospital from 1918 to 1937; renamed Friern Mental Hospital in 1937; from 1959 it was Friern Hospital, Friern Barnet Road, New Southgate London N11 3BP. -- Kindest Regards, Ann Linder Florida USA Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Naomi! Fanny Saperia [b. 1882], her father and siblings were born in Mariampol. Do you think Saperia and Schapere relate to Sopher, a Torah Scribe? That would make sense since you found they were Cohens. If it was a name relating to an occupation, the Saperias might not have all been related, as we'd think/hope from the family website. Thank you! Linda Wolfe Kelley California On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, naomi ogin wrote: I don't know of Fanny, but do have SCHAPERE if that can equate to SAPERIA...Schaulen/Siauliai in 1852. The surname eventually became DAVIDSON. <I found Fanny SAPERIA's parents:Meyer,the Shoemaker,b.1848,and Annie W.37 Cannon St.,Leeds. Linda Wolfe Kelley, California>

Ann, try this address: http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/search Linda Wolfe Kelley On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Ann Linder wrote: In the 1940s, a family member had a nervous breakdown and I am told she was institutionalized at Friern Barnet Hertfordshire London.

In the 1940s, a family member had a nervous breakdown and I am told she was institutionalized at Frien Barnet Hertfordshire London. >From an internet search it appears to me to be a neighborhood rather than the name of a hospital.  So perhaps the hospital or institution was in that neighborhood.   Might it be today’s Barnet General Hospital? Anyone have an idea which hospital or institution this might have been & if it exists today? And if I can locate the hospital, does anyone know if her surviving family is entitled to her medical record? I found the following: A Middlesex County Asylum, known as Colney Hatch Asylum was opened in 1851; became a London County Council asylum; became Colney Hatch Mental Hospital from 1918 to 1937; renamed Friern Mental Hospital in 1937; from 1959 it was Friern Hospital, Friern Barnet Road, New Southgate London N11 3BP. -- Kindest Regards, Ann Linder Florida USA

I read Cynthia's JC list and found the name of a relation, so I went into the Jewish Chronicle Archives for the relevant date and found that this issue is missing, has anyone managed to read a "missing" copy. This happened to me once before and although when I rung the Jewish Chronicle Office they agreed that particular issue was missing they could not help me. Georgina Phillips in Brighton