Hello Bob A Fanny Schneider married in Whitechapel, Dec quarter, 1900 to Allac Golomb or Hyman Dinkin. <Fanny Schneider born 1878 appears on the 1891 UK census> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

Bob, Is this the same Fanny SCHNEIDERS who was the daughter of Michael SCHNEIDERS (11 Aug 1843-28 Mar 1923) and Rose BROMET (Apr 1849-1 Nov 1923) ? I am aware of 8 other siblings of Fanny. I believe I have found Fanny in 1881, 1891 and 1911. Her husband was possibly Isaac SNIDERS, Harry I SNIDERS or Harry J SNIDERS, and they were married between 1891 and 1911, possibly Jan/Mar 1898. I have some details of possible descendants, although it is difficult to check as I have found some marriages between SCHNEIDERS and SNIDERS, and also some SCHNEIDERS possibly changed their name to SNIDERS. Most of my information is unchecked at the moment. Kevin. E-mail : [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:british-jewry- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Judge Bob Moss > Sent: 30 October 2010 1:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Fanny Schneider > > One more “wall” > > Fanny Schneider born 1878 appears on the 1891 UK census (mis-spelled as > Snider) > > She does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 census although all of the > other members of her family do appear. > > I find no death record for her during that time period. I am also unable to > find a marriage for her. I know there is one listed for 1895 but I pulled the > certificate and it is not her. > > When her mother died in 1932, the headstone mentions only one surviving > daughter > > which I know to be Polly. > > I am looking for ideas on how/where to find the death record. > > Bob Moss > Chicago, IL

Randall, The records are at Guildhall. If you follow the links from the page you gave you eventually get to [email protected] for "distance enquiry service". Send them what you have sent us and ask if they have a research service. They should do, or be able to recommend someone, although it might be pricey. Otherwise you need SKS here (UK) who is going and can spare you some time. HTH Sherry (Oxford, UK) > Can anyone guide me about ways to access information at The National Archives, in particular > records of the Sun Fire Office, at this web page > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=076-sun_2-0-467&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1

No Have not found them in 1881 Checked a number of spellings. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of naomi ogin Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Fanny Schneider Hello Bob Have you found the family in the 1881 census. If so, does Fanny still appear with that spelling. <born 1878 appears on the 1891 UK census she does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 Bob Moss Chicago, IL> Naomi Ogin Brisbane Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, After many years of brick walls, I have located additional information about my grandfather's youngest brother - Alick JOSEPH (was Kuczynski), who seemed to have disappeared after the 1901 census, thanks to Sherry. Alick JOSEPH and Ada SAPERIA were married in 1908 in Louis Street Synagogue, Louis St., Leeds. They had one daughter - Victoriah Leah JOSEPH, born in 1908 or 1909. Alick died on 31 May 1912 in 15 Badminton St., Leeds. Victoria Leah JOSEPH married Maurice TAYLOR on 20th August 1933 in New Central Synagogue, Leeds, Yorkshire. If anyone has specific knowledge of this TAYLOR couple or any other Jewish TAYLOR families with long roots in Leeds, please contact me. Also, please note that I am not asking about Jewish tailors in Leeds, I know there were many of those, including my family members! (wink) PS I have sent a similar posting for publication in the Jewish Telegraph's Roots but this is such a resourceful group which leads me to believe I will have more success here. Naomi also suggested I do a JC look up, which I have not done yet but intend to do so soon. Many thanks, in advance. Jonny Joseph Los Angeles, CA

Can anyone guide me about ways to access information at The National Archives, in particular records of the Sun Fire Office, at this web page http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=076-sun_2-0-467&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1 One of the items listed: [no title] MS 11936/467/906078 3 April 1815 Contents: Insured: David Davis, 1 and 2 Field Lane Holborn, clothes salesman is for my ggg-grandfather and would be by far the earliest record I've been able to find for him (or anyone in my family). As I am some distance away (Massachusetts) and almost wholly ignorant of whether/how/when such records are accessible, I would much appeciate any guidance that can be offered by those more informed. (Is this strictly by personal visit, if so are there people who will do this, or can I request a copy from the Archives directly, or ...?) Feel free to reply off-list to me. thanks ------------------------- Randall Davis

Yes I pulled that certificate. Wrong one sadly. I am pretty convinced she died sine 1911 census says 8 kids born and only 3 living ----- Original Message ---- > From: naomi ogin <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, October 30, 2010 7:44:03 PM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Fanny Schneider > > Hello Bob > > A Fanny Schneider married in Whitechapel, Dec quarter, > 1900 to Allac Golomb or Hyman Dinkin. > > <Fanny Schneider born 1878 appears on the 1891 UK census> > > Naomi Ogin > Brisbane > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If anyone has the three names in their tree - or, perhaps, BERNSTEIN & SCHRECK up until 1916 when SCHRECK disappears (in favour of STANDISH), I have seen a shareholder record which links them: it also makes reference to an entry in the London Gazette, whose archives are freely available online. Mary SW Herts, UK

Dear All A few years ago I was sent details for the following who Naturalised in London. They are not connected to my search for OGIN, ORGINE, CHORGAN, OGGIN, HOGGIN. Happy to forward the files if they're of interest. Woolf OKIN b.1883, Mogelov married Annie PESEN in Nova Beletza, Mogelov in 1905. Children born in London;- Isaac, Ivy and Sam. Woolf's parents were Sarah and Isaac. Morscha Israel OKUN a.k.a Maurice b.1887 in Widny District, Wilno m Mania/Mary/Miriam nee MUSZKATBLATT in Warsaw, 1912. Two children, Lionel and Pearl/Pauline. Maurice's parents were Berko Schulim and Chaya nee SRAGOWITZ. He had three siblings. Bezolel OKUN a.k.a Charles AUKIN and at school as Solomon AUKIN b.1906, Mogilev and his brothers Lazarus Isaac OKUN b. 1901, Mogilev and Dr Wolf/Willie AUKIN 1908-1979, born Mogilev, married to Sophie Frieda/Billie, daughter Vivienne m Stanley SPENCE. Connections to Willie and Billie's family are FISH, GOLLOW, GRUNISS and WRIGHT. Another brother went to the US. Parents Berka/Barnett and Dinah OKUN/ORKIN. Naomi Ogin Brisbane Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITZ, DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON

Naomi, Please consider submitting them to http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/certificates.html Thanks Sherry & Jackye > A few years ago I was sent details for the > following who Naturalised in London. > They are not connected to my search for OGIN, ORGINE, > CHORGAN, OGGIN, HOGGIN. Happy to forward the files if > they're of interest.

I have found records during that time showing age 0 i.e. died at birth or soon after so yes babies were recorded. Don't know the answer to your question regarding marriage out of the faith. My guess is probably. Thanks Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Kelley Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 1:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Fanny Schneider Bob Moss wrote: Fanny SCHNEIDER...SNIDER... born 1878 ...does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 census...no death record ...no marriage record... I've heard that some religious Jews hold a funeral for a child who marries a non-Jew. Would those folks state their child was actually dead for the Census record? Fanny may have died 1891-1901. Were all deaths recorded in London between 1875-1900? Was there a rule about recording babies who died? Did they have to be more than a day old, or some such parameter? Linda Wolfe Kelley California Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Im inclined to agree with Linda that the family may have disowned their daughter if she had married out of the faith. Regards Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds Bob Moss wrote: Fanny SCHNEIDER...SNIDER... born 1878 ...does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 census...no death record ...no marriage record... Linda Kelley wrote: I've heard that some religious Jews hold a funeral for a child who marries a non-Jew. Would those folks state their child was actually dead for the Census record?

Bob Moss wrote: Fanny SCHNEIDER...SNIDER... born 1878 ...does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 census...no death record ...no marriage record... I've heard that some religious Jews hold a funeral for a child who marries a non-Jew. Would those folks state their child was actually dead for the Census record? Fanny may have died 1891-1901. Were all deaths recorded in London between 1875-1900? Was there a rule about recording babies who died? Did they have to be more than a day old, or some such parameter? Linda Wolfe Kelley California

One more “wall” Fanny Schneider born 1878 appears on the 1891 UK census (mis-spelled as Snider) She does not appear on either the 1901 or 1911 census although all of the other members of her family do appear. I find no death record for her during that time period. I am also unable to find a marriage for her. I know there is one listed for 1895 but I pulled the certificate and it is not her. When her mother died in 1932, the headstone mentions only one surviving daughter which I know to be Polly. I am looking for ideas on how/where to find the death record. Bob Moss Chicago, IL SCHNEIDER, PLOTZKER, MOSCOVITCH, JACOBS, LEVY

I recognized on the Surname list Raphael. My family emigrated to the US in 1872. My great-grandfather was Joseph Isaac Allison who was married to Celia Raphael. My other great-grandfather was Shimshon Yehuda Estersohn who married Cywa Raphael (sister of Celia). I am sure that some of my relatives who stopped in England remained in England. I am interested in corresponding with anyone who would like to exchange data about any of my surnames. Michael Marcus Brooklyn, New York

Danielle Sanderson was asking for more ways of researching Joseph Joseph, who she knows was a pencil maker at 18 St Martin's Court, circa 1805 (Holden). A search of Myer Solomon's circumcision record for 1804, when she knows his son Henry was born, yielded: (record) 140 On Wednesday 19 MarHeshvan '565 I circumcised Zvi Hirsh b Joseph {St Martins Court; 24 Oct 1804} So even though we only have the first name of the dad, we have the address (St Martin's Court) and Zvi hersh = Henry. It's him. Now, if you can't sleep, you can look for other sons of a Joseph within maybe a ten year span in either direction and try to pin it down by addresses... Carolyn Hahn, NYC Should go to sleep, but researching other people's family members because, to paraphrase George Mallory, they're there (or they're not exactly in sight yet, but we WILL find them)

Hello Barbara Have you matched the other siblings births, marriages or deaths to FreeBMD. If, for example, the siblings were all born in St.Geo East, you can précis it down a bit, assuming they were born in the UK, to locate Lobie Annie. Have you found Maurice, Isaac and Jane along with their parents in 1891, 1901 or the 1911 UK Census. Do you know where Jane Isaacs snr is buried. Again, that can give a clue as would the informant on her death cert and her address if you have no earlier addresses. Cherry made a good point, she might be under Lottie, and also Annie or Hannah if Lobie was some sort of nickname or error. <I first found her on the 1881 census, but nowhere else Barbara, England> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

Just a thought as I am new to this thread: have you tried Lottie? good luck cherry On 26 Oct 2010, at 20:06, Barbara Paris wrote: > Hello Naomi. > > I tried out all the alternative name suggestions and also Tova/ > Tovie that Barbara suggested but without luck. I looked on FreeBMD, > FamilySearch and Ancestry. > > I first found her on the 1881 census, but nowhere else. > > Kind regards. > Barbara. > > > > > > On 25 Oct 2010, at 09:45 AM, "naomi ogin" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Barbara > > Lobie might be a version of Libe which could show > as Lily, Lillian or Libby Isaacs. Where did you see the name > of Lobie Annie mentioned. > > Have you found the births for her siblings on > FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > Their birth district might assist in pinpointing her birth > as well. > > <'Lobie' is short for..Barbara, England> > > Naomi Ogin > Brisbane > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > [email protected] is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Naomi. I tried out all the alternative name suggestions and also Tova/Tovie that Barbara suggested but without luck. I looked on FreeBMD, FamilySearch and Ancestry. I first found her on the 1881 census, but nowhere else. Kind regards. Barbara. On 25 Oct 2010, at 09:45 AM, "naomi ogin" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Barbara Lobie might be a version of Libe which could show as Lily, Lillian or Libby Isaacs. Where did you see the name of Lobie Annie mentioned. Have you found the births for her siblings on FreeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Their birth district might assist in pinpointing her birth as well. <'Lobie' is short for..Barbara, England> Naomi Ogin Brisbane Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. [email protected] is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The locations and names are all potentially Jewish - especially in combination. It seems likely that these were all Jewish families (although you're wise to allow otherwise in your research). "Sister" is similar in both sound and shape to "Esther" (and variations). Have you tried for that at all? Mary SW Herts, UK ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:18:38 -0400 From: Ann Linder <[email protected]> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Sister Symons nee Frydman To: [email protected] I am attempting to locate a grave and then hopefully a photo of same. It is unlikely but not impossible that she is buried in a Jewish cemetery. Sister SYMONS nee Frydman (could be Freedman). And?I'm not at all sure about the first name--the first name may be a transliteration from the Yiddish or not. She was born in Stopnice, Poland c.1870s, and immigrated to London. I do not know year of death. Altho she was born to an orthodox Jewish family, she married Mr. Symonds who may have been a Christian gentleman. They may have lived in Hampstead or Finchley. They had a daughter Isobel (Isabella, Belma) b ?.? Belma married A.C. Masney (David) Gruner in 1917; they had 2 children, Anthony b1921 + Rebecca b1924. David Gruner died in 1958; Belma in 1981. I know the rest of the lineage, including grandchildren. However, I have contacted Gruner family members and they do not know where Sister SYMONS is buried nor do they have any additional info about her. <snip> -- Kindest Regards, Ann Linder Florida USA