Tidying up old problems after 15 years .  Hettie Rosenbloom ( nee Goldsmith ) was ( with a son) a civilian death in 1940 shelter disaster she was the widow of my cousin Frank Gordon and remarried . Her new husband Lewis aka Louis Rosenbloom survived her with two daughters Josephine Rose (aka Rosenbloom) born Mar 1932 and Andrea I Rose ( aka Rosenbloom ) . Tragically  their father   Lewis aka Louis Rosenbloom ( aka Rose ) also died in 1943 . I have been unable to ascertain what happened to the two orphaned children after 1943 although there must be a reasonable chance they are still living.  A well researched book has been written about the terrible Coronation Avenue shelter disaster on 13 Oct 1940 www.timeline.org.uk . I hoped someone on this list may know the answer  to what happened to the two orphaned children after 1943 ? Aubrey Jacobus  London

There are a number of records called Aliens entry books fomr aboput 1801. I am not sure about certificates , I have copies of 3 arrivals in the 1850s which show my rleatives and the name of the vessel and wher it cane rom but they are nt certificates, just a page record . I don't know if there are certificatebut the nnational archives does not metion those as far as I can tell Rosemary HOffman UK -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Henshall Sent: 27 June 2012 02:21 To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Henry Frank(s) Did all newcomers to Britain in the 1800's have certificates of arrival? Jean in Nova Scotia Sent from my iPod On 2012-06-26, at 12:46 PM, "Raymond Dean" <raymonddean@btinternet.com> wrote: > Greetings. > I am attempting to establish if Henry Frank and his son Barnet (from > The > Netherlands) were living in Spitalfields/Whitechapel before 1863. A > marriage certificate for Barnet and Rebecca Nykerk shows Henry Frank to be a Dealer. > I cannot find any information relating to Henry before this date > linking him with Barnet. > I have seen a certificate of arrival dated 1850 for a Henry Franks, > Dealer, from Rotterdam. > I would be grateful for any suggestions. > > Regards > Ray Dean > > Other interests.........Beber, Beharry, Blitz, Cohen, Coral, > Falkenstein, Lazuras, Messiahs, Pollock, Rosenthal, Shimovitz, Sihay, Solomons's. > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jean and Ray, >From a quick search of the web about 'certificates of arrival' it appears that the National Archives in London is in possession of just 700 of these certificates. If your ancestor is among them, you are very very lucky indeed. Regards, Miriam Pollak Melbourne, Australia Researching Plashet Cemetery, East Ham > From: jphenshall@hotmail.ca > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:20:55 -0300 > To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Henry Frank(s) > > Did all newcomers to Britain in the 1800's have certificates of arrival? > > Jean in Nova Scotia > > On 2012-06-26, at 12:46 PM, "Raymond Dean" <raymonddean@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Greetings. > > I am attempting to establish if Henry Frank and his son Barnet (from The > > Netherlands) were living in Spitalfields/Whitechapel before 1863. A marriage > > certificate for Barnet and Rebecca Nykerk shows Henry Frank to be a Dealer. > > I cannot find any information relating to Henry before this date linking him > > with Barnet. > > I have seen a certificate of arrival dated 1850 for a Henry Franks, Dealer, > > from Rotterdam. > > I would be grateful for any suggestions. > > > > Regards > > Ray Dean > > > >

Did all newcomers to Britain in the 1800's have certificates of arrival? Jean in Nova Scotia Sent from my iPod On 2012-06-26, at 12:46 PM, "Raymond Dean" <raymonddean@btinternet.com> wrote: > Greetings. > I am attempting to establish if Henry Frank and his son Barnet (from The > Netherlands) were living in Spitalfields/Whitechapel before 1863. A marriage > certificate for Barnet and Rebecca Nykerk shows Henry Frank to be a Dealer. > I cannot find any information relating to Henry before this date linking him > with Barnet. > I have seen a certificate of arrival dated 1850 for a Henry Franks, Dealer, > from Rotterdam. > I would be grateful for any suggestions. > > Regards > Ray Dean > > Other interests.........Beber, Beharry, Blitz, Cohen, Coral, Falkenstein, > Lazuras, Messiahs, Pollock, Rosenthal, Shimovitz, Sihay, Solomons's. > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings. I am attempting to establish if Henry Frank and his son Barnet (from The Netherlands) were living in Spitalfields/Whitechapel before 1863. A marriage certificate for Barnet and Rebecca Nykerk shows Henry Frank to be a Dealer. I cannot find any information relating to Henry before this date linking him with Barnet. I have seen a certificate of arrival dated 1850 for a Henry Franks, Dealer, from Rotterdam. I would be grateful for any suggestions. Regards Ray Dean Other interests.........Beber, Beharry, Blitz, Cohen, Coral, Falkenstein, Lazuras, Messiahs, Pollock, Rosenthal, Shimovitz, Sihay, Solomons's.

Deborah GLASSMAN nee MORRIS b 1853  widow of Hyman Glassman b 1839 c  married my grandfather. on 23 Apr 1903  In 1901 she lived with Hyman a Grocer  at 66 Spelman St Whitechapel - no children then with them . I know from the Beth Din she had at least a daughter with her when she remarried. n Deborah died tragically on 21 July 1904.  I would like to trace the descendants or relatives of Deborah and Hyman GLASSMAN -  If as seems likely she first married in Poland c 1870 her children were probably born on Poland  and married before 1901. The commonality of the named make tracing difficult Perhaps the sleuths in the list can help me once more # Aubrey Jacobus  London.

Miriam, It was Henrietta he married. He is in the 1871 census with her and the children also though to 1901 will send them via separate email. John sIMMONS -----Original Message----- From: Miriam Pollak Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 11:36 AM To: British Jewry Mailing List Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Abraham SASSERATH Dear Fellow Listers, During my continuing work on Plashet Cemetery, the name Abraham Sasserath came up. He died on the 31st March 1907 and is buried in Section G (Row 20 Plot 5). I am trying to find out more about this man and his family. According to the Jewish Chronicle announcement of his death (05/04/1907), he has a wife, children and grandchildren. The address for his death is 160 Jamaica Street, Stepney. The only census record of Abraham is the 1881 Censes which states he was born in 1829 in Germany and is a shoe manufacturer. There is no wife in this census entry. He does not appear in 1891 or 1901. However I have found a marriage in 2884 between an Abraham Sasserath and either Henrietta Hertog or Elizabeth Woolf in Mile End. Does anyone know more about this individual - there appears to be another Sasserath family present in London at that time too, so I wish to be careful not to mix up the two. Thanking you in advance, Miriam Pollak Melbourne, Australia working on Plashet Cemetery, East London. Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Fellow Listers, During my continuing work on Plashet Cemetery, the name Abraham Sasserath came up. He died on the 31st March 1907 and is buried in Section G (Row 20 Plot 5). I am trying to find out more about this man and his family. According to the Jewish Chronicle announcement of his death (05/04/1907), he has a wife, children and grandchildren. The address for his death is 160 Jamaica Street, Stepney. The only census record of Abraham is the 1881 Censes which states he was born in 1829 in Germany and is a shoe manufacturer. There is no wife in this census entry. He does not appear in 1891 or 1901. However I have found a marriage in 2884 between an Abraham Sasserath and either Henrietta Hertog or Elizabeth Woolf in Mile End. Does anyone know more about this individual - there appears to be another Sasserath family present in London at that time too, so I wish to be careful not to mix up the two. Thanking you in advance, Miriam Pollak Melbourne, Australia working on Plashet Cemetery, East London.

Does anyone know where the records of the Borough Synagogue marriages etc went following its end? Did they all go to the United Synagogue archives. All interesting Regards Dinah in Sydney

Hello, > I have a question in the hope that someone can shed some light on it. > I have an ancestor named Abraham Meider who was born in 1866 in Birmingham, > UK. His parents were Polish Jews from Kalisz (Mider). > Abraham and his two brothers, Harris and Nathan came to the UK in the > 1850's/1860's. > In 1888 he married Fanny Lloyd who was born in 1869 in Bilston, Staffs and > they had two girls Esther (1889-1896) and Annie (1891-?). This information > was sourced from the 1891 UK Census (aged 25 and 22 years). It appears that > he anglicised his name to Meader. > By the time the 1901 was compiled, Abraham had now reverted back to Meider > and was living with another Fanny (Bowkett) who was 9 years younger than him > and, although listed as his wife, didn't end up marrying until 1934 when he > was 68 and shortly before he died. I have the full history of  Abraham and > Fanny # 2 but can't locate Fanny #1 and their daughter Annie. > Maybe one of your subscribers might be able to help me out. > Thanking you in advance. > Samantha Maltwood

Rosemary, It occurs to me, before I read the other answers, that they may have not had permission to marry the first time (as she was only 18). Proving their love for each other they may have been allowed/forced/persuraded to have a Religious wedding too! Miriam Pollak cold but sunny Melbourne, Australia > > Benjamin Jewell and Helene Frankenberg were married twice - and to each other. > > On 10 June 1882 they were married at the register office in the district of St Olave, Surrey. He was 24 and a bachelor; she was 18 and a spinster. Max Frankenberg and Esther Frankenberg were witnesses. > > On 3 May 1885 they were married in the Borough New Synagogue in the district of St Saviour Southwark, Surrey. He is 28 and says he is a bachelor; she is 22 and says she is a spinster. The witnesses this time were a John Jacobs and Max Brenner. > >

Thank you, Sherry! I'm sure this is most likely to be the correct answer. Best wishes Rosemary On 15 Jun 2012, at 19:15, Jewish Admin wrote: > Hi Rosemary, > > Is/was Borough a US member? Most likely scenario (and reasonably > common) was that the first marriage was civil because they could not > meet the requirements of an orthodox Jewish marriage. This was very > common under Marcus Adler who was apparently a stickler for making > sure couples had the right to an orthodox marriage and not allowing > marriages of many many couples. This left couples to either have a > stile chuppah and/or a civil marriage. From 10 June 1882 this couple > were, of course, legally married. However, for many this was not > enough-they were not married in the eyes of G-d and that was important > to them. So they continued to try to be married by the establishment. > The most common reason for lack of permission was lack of parents' > ketubah. It might be that they finally obtained these or got letters > from the rabbis who married their parents to say they qualified. > > This is a paraphrase of a conversation I had many years ago with > Charles Tucker the archivist at London Beth Din. I hope it helps. > > Best wishes, > > Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > > Benjamin Jewell and Helene Frankenberg were married twice - and to each other. > > On 10 June 1882 they were married at the register office in the > district of St Olave, Surrey. He was 24 and a bachelor; she was 18 and > a spinster. Max Frankenberg and Esther Frankenberg were witnesses. > On 3 May 1885 they were married in the Borough New Synagogue in the > district of St Saviour Southwark, Surrey. He is 28 and says he is a > bachelor; she is 22 and says she is a spinster. The witnesses this > time were a John Jacobs and Max Brenner. > All sorts of 'Eastenders' type scenarios spring to mind! But the > serious question is whether or not this was a common practice in the > late-nineteenth century Jewish community. And why? Can anyone help? > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosemary, Is/was Borough a US member? Most likely scenario (and reasonably common) was that the first marriage was civil because they could not meet the requirements of an orthodox Jewish marriage. This was very common under Marcus Adler who was apparently a stickler for making sure couples had the right to an orthodox marriage and not allowing marriages of many many couples. This left couples to either have a stile chuppah and/or a civil marriage. From 10 June 1882 this couple were, of course, legally married. However, for many this was not enough-they were not married in the eyes of G-d and that was important to them. So they continued to try to be married by the establishment. The most common reason for lack of permission was lack of parents' ketubah. It might be that they finally obtained these or got letters from the rabbis who married their parents to say they qualified. This is a paraphrase of a conversation I had many years ago with Charles Tucker the archivist at London Beth Din. I hope it helps. Best wishes, Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) Benjamin Jewell and Helene Frankenberg were married twice - and to each other. On 10 June 1882 they were married at the register office in the district of St Olave, Surrey. He was 24 and a bachelor; she was 18 and a spinster. Max Frankenberg and Esther Frankenberg were witnesses. On 3 May 1885 they were married in the Borough New Synagogue in the district of St Saviour Southwark, Surrey. He is 28 and says he is a bachelor; she is 22 and says she is a spinster. The witnesses this time were a John Jacobs and Max Brenner. All sorts of 'Eastenders' type scenarios spring to mind! But the serious question is whether or not this was a common practice in the late-nineteenth century Jewish community. And why? Can anyone help?

Dear All I have a bit of a mystery that I would be grateful for your help in unravelling. Benjamin Jewell and Helene Frankenberg were married twice - and to each other. On 10 June 1882 they were married at the register office in the district of St Olave, Surrey. He was 24 and a bachelor; she was 18 and a spinster. Max Frankenberg and Esther Frankenberg were witnesses. On 3 May 1885 they were married in the Borough New Synagogue in the district of St Saviour Southwark, Surrey. He is 28 and says he is a bachelor; she is 22 and says she is a spinster. The witnesses this time were a John Jacobs and Max Brenner. And, yes, before you ask, they are the same people. Both times, Benjamin gives his father as Joel jewell, a rag merchant (though by 1885 he is given as 'deceased'). Both times, Helene gives her father as Solomon Frankenberg, but in 1882 he is a 'gentleman' and in 1885, a 'merchant'. All sorts of 'Eastenders' type scenarios spring to mind! But the serious question is whether or not this was a common practice in the late-nineteenth century Jewish community. And why? Can anyone help? Kind regards to all Rosemary Rosemary Rees, in wet, windy and cold North Yorkshire. Researching WOOLF(E), MORDECAI, JOEL and JEWELL.

This came to me from another list - perhaps it will be relevant to you or someone you know? Martha Schecter Forsyth Newton, MA, USA -------- Original Message -------- On a Russian language site, Jewish Roots, at: http://www.forum.j-roots.info/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3342 (http://tinyurl.com/85lpuz3), the following was posted June 12, 2012 by "Head Cheese": Photos and letters from several generations of an unknown Jewish family, which were found in garbage containers in St. Petersburg. There were letters from the front from a son who apparently never returned from war; and there are references and one identity in a letter(s). There are pre- and post-revolutionary photos, as well as pre-war. It is indicated that most of the photos were taken in Odessa (one Odessa photo is a wedding portrait, two others were photographed by Blitz), one in St Petersburg, one in Zhytomyr (a family photo), and two in Vyazma (one is a wedding photo) There are additional photos, a certificate, two envelopes, and a postcard as well. It is noted that, "... the head of the family was Nohim Simanovich Chernov from Novogorod; [his] son's name was Hirsch Nakhimov Chernov." Download any of the following, to convert the website into the language of your choice, if necessary: 1. Google Chrome - For PC, Mac, and Linux www.google.com/chrome and/or 2. http://www.google.com/language_tools 3. or download Google Toolbar (with translation capability for IE or Firefox browsers): http://www.google.com/toolbar/ff/index.html#tracking=1&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-bk&utm_medium=ha&utm_term=google%20tool%20bar&tbbrand=GZAG or http://tinyurl.com/6nzr4yy 4. There is also "Googlebar lite" an extension for Mozilla Firefox, downloadable at:https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/googlebar-lite/ If you have the latest version of Internet Explorer (IE 9) you can '...easily translate the webpages by right clicking with your mouse and selecting "translate with Bing...' Marilyn Robinson Florida

Dear Subscribers, My wish has been fulfilled three times over already! So please don't anyone else look up the 1955 record that mentions Sochaczewski. What a wonderful kind group of people you are. I shall thank the first-responders directly. Regards, Simon Srebrny

Dear fellow genealogists, I have just discovered that a branch of my family that I feared had perished in fact made it out of Breslau (Wroclaw) before the war and came to the UK. They are, however, proving rather elusive. One of them changed his name from the distinctive SOCHACZEWSKI to the bland TAYLOR. Some key info is hidden in an announcement in the JC, which I cannot read since I am not a subscriber. Would some kind person out there look up this one item for me? The search term is Sochaczewski, and you will find the item on page 2 of the JC of September 30, 1955. Of course, if any of you know the family or belong to the family, let me know! Many thanks in advance for your help. Simon Srebrny (from London, living in Berlin)

Hello fellow genealogists. This is a note to say that within 20 minutes of my having posted a message on this forum with the above subject heading, someone contacted me and gave me all the information I requested! This is thus a note to say that there is no need for any other such kind person to contact me in this matter. Kindest regards and thanks, Frank LIPPA Searching for the following surnames in England or Wales: YANPOLSKI (JANPOLSKY, YANPOLSKY etc), LIPPA, BLUMFIELD, HOCHBERG, KAZANSKY, GRAJINSKI, MARQUIS, EISENBERG, WARTSKI, BOLLOTEN. I'm particularly interested in YANPOLSKY who over the years have changed their surname to YOUNG or YOUNGE, or who married into the WOLINS/WOLINSKI, LEVIN, RUSSELL, SCARTOFSKY, PASCOE and GERALD families in England.

I’m anxious to learn of the occupants of 61 Crown Street, Liverpool, on the night of the 1891 census. I have a letter, with this address in the header, written September 1891, but don’t have the name of the writer! I have tried to locate an entry for this address by searching the 1891 census by homing in via the sequence County → Parish → Sub-registration district → Enumeration District. But because I have no knowledge of British geography (I live in Australia), I’ve sort of lost my way. In fact, I think I have been pretty good at managing to find the occupants of both 62 and 64 Crown Street (and all the other even numbers), but just can’t seem to work out how to find the houses on the other side of the street! (I guess it’s in a different “District”, but haven’t a clue how to determine which one it is). I think I’m correct in honing it down to Lancashire → Liverpool → Mount Pleasant → ?, but because I have no concept of the street layout in 1891 (or today, for that matter), can’t go further. The houses numbered 62 and 64 Crown Street are in Enumeration District 1; It was only by pure luck that I determined this! Would some kind person with knowledge of, and some skill with this, either look this up and tell me the names directly, or else tell me in which of the 25 or more Enumeration Districts the house might be? Such help will be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Frank LIPPA Searching for the following surnames in England or Wales: YANPOLSKI (JANPOLSKY, YANPOLSKY etc), LIPPA, BLUMFIELD, HOCHBERG, KAZANSKY, GRAJINSKI, MARQUIS, EISENBERG, WARTSKI, BOLLOTEN. I'm particularly interested in YANPOLSKY who over the years have changed their surname to YOUNG or YOUNGE, or who married into the WOLINS/WOLINSKI, LEVIN, RUSSELL, SCARTOFSKY, PASCOE and GERALD families in England.

Hi Frank, It's all a bit complicated and confusing for us all. The even numbers were in Liverpool but the odd numbers were in West Derby! RG number:RG12 Piece:2989 Folio:8 Page: 9 Sub District: West Derby (Municipal) Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Stephen Municipal Borough: Liverpool Address: 61, Crown Street, West Derby, Liverpool County: Lancashire The faily in residence were the GOODMAN family comprising Harris & Minna and 2 children Morris and Arthur all born Russia (details available if these are of interest). HTH Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) On 10 June 2012 15:52, Frank Lippa <frank.lippa@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > I’m anxious to learn of the occupants of 61 Crown Street, Liverpool, on the > night of the 1891 census. > >