Thanks so much to everyone who responded. The information you provided is very useful.

We found an encyclopedia with an item on my father. Half way through the subject is about a totally unconnected individual. Mistakes happen commonly. Before limb surgery a week ago the younger doctor marked the correct limb so there would be no chance of them doing the wrong limb. Wrong meds, wrong dose, wrong blood type, Cohen Coen or Van der Merwe just easy mistakes. Ros

I love these tales of "administrative error"....this is a very real possibility that we often forget to take into account, when looking for information that's sometimes so hard to find. A MISTAKE! I actually have one of those in my family, where someone naturalizing on the same date that my grandfather naturalized wanted to change his name. Part of this information crept onto my grandfather's papers and puzzled me mightily until quite recently, when it turned out that indeed it WAS "a big judicial OOPS". Martha Schecter Forsyth Newtion, MA USA Jewish Admin <Jewish@slanda.fsnet.co.uk> 8/7/2012 4:08 AM: > Hi Jan, > > < snip! > So, simply put I think > it is more enumerator error than a case of them deliberately using > another surname/changing their name. The name MAGINSKY/I continued to > be used into the 30s and beyond-even during WW2 I have no proof they > stopped using it. > > HTH > > Best wishes, > > Sherry Landa (23170 Viersat, France) > > On 07/08/2012, Jan <jangro@pacbell.net> wrote: >>> According to information I have, Joseph Isaac MAGINSKY was married to >>> Rachel Annie JOSEPH and they had several children. When working with a >>> major online genealogy website I keep coming across an 1901 English >>> census showing Isaac Joseph and Annie Joseph having children named Sara, >>> Barnard, Dora, Morris, Rubin ... the same names (or close enough) as Joseph and >>> Rachel Maginsky's children. Do you know if it is possible that at some >>> point, for some reason, the family chose to go by the mother's maiden >>> name and the mother and father (Joseph and Rachel) chose to use their middle >>> names? >> Jan Groshan >> USA - California >>

Hi Jan, The short answer is yes, anyone can/could call themselves anything as long as it wasn't to defraud. The longer answer is your case is a little bit strange in that they seem to have gone back to using MAGINSKY in 1911 census. Usually a family would change their name and stick with it (often to try to fit in especially in times of conflict if your name sounded particularly foreign). I have looked at the 1891 census (MAGINSKI), the 1901 census (Joseph) and the 1911 census (MAGINSKY). From this I conclude that Rachel Annie always went by the name Annie. I think the most likely thing in 1901 was that the name was confused by the enumerator. With Joseph being both a first name and surname I suspect Joseph Isaac MAGINSKI/Y was given as the name but when it came to copying up either the MAGINSKY or was not clear/forgotten etc and that the enumerator just wrote Isaac Joseph and then gave everyone else a ditto for Joseph making it the family name. I think these are definitely yours BTW-much too close and with no other possible matches it must be your family. So, simply put I think it is more enumerator error than a case of them deliberately using another surname/changing their name. The name MAGINSKY/I continued to be used into the 30s and beyond-even during WW2 I have no proof they stopped using it. HTH Best wishes, Sherry Landa (23170 Viersat, France) On 07/08/2012, Jan <jangro@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> According to information I have, Joseph Isaac MAGINSKY was married to >> Rachel Annie JOSEPH and they had several children. When working with a >> major online genealogy website I keep coming across an 1901 English >> census >> showing Isaac Joseph and Annie Joseph having children named Sara, >> Barnard, >> Dora, Morris, Rubin ... the same names (or close enough) as Joseph and >> Rachel Maginsky's children. Do you know if it is possible that at some >> point, for some reason, the family chose to go by the mother's maiden >> name >> and the mother and father (Joseph and Rachel) chose to use their middle >> names? > > Jan Groshan > USA - California > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great grandmother is shown as Rebecca in the British Censuses of 1861, 1871 and 1881 and as Rachel or Raychel Davis in the US censuses of 1910 and earlier. My grandmother said her MIL name was Rebecca or Rachel. She moved to the US in 1888. Plus a cousin on my fathers side is sometimes Ann Elizabeth or vice versa and was known as Lizzie. So it is possible. Jean Henshall Halifax NS Canada Researching Davis, Levy. Poland, Manchester Brooklyn NY and Venice CA Sent from my iPhone On 2012-08-06, at 11:12 PM, "Jan" <jangro@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> According to information I have, Joseph Isaac MAGINSKY was married to >> Rachel Annie JOSEPH and they had several children. When working with a >> major online genealogy website I keep coming across an 1901 English census >> showing Isaac Joseph and Annie Joseph having children named Sara, Barnard, >> Dora, Morris, Rubin ... the same names (or close enough) as Joseph and >> Rachel Maginsky's children. Do you know if it is possible that at some >> point, for some reason, the family chose to go by the mother's maiden name >> and the mother and father (Joseph and Rachel) chose to use their middle >> names? > > Jan Groshan > USA - California > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anybody think that Maginsky is close to Magid [a preacher]? Maybe the surname Joseph was safer, more generic, more English, and protected the Magid, if he was still living? Do you find that sometimes the child's middle name is a parent's given name, and, when the parent dies, the child goes by his or her middle name? Linda Wolfe Kelley California>Oregon On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Jan wrote: > ...Joseph Isaac MAGINSKY was married to > Rachel Annie JOSEPH...Isaac Joseph and Annie Joseph having > children.. the same names (or close enough) as Joseph and > Rachel Maginsky's children. Do you know if...family chose to go by > the mother's maiden name > and the mother and father (Joseph and Rachel) chose to use their > middle > names? Jan Groshan USA - California Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> According to information I have, Joseph Isaac MAGINSKY was married to > Rachel Annie JOSEPH and they had several children. When working with a > major online genealogy website I keep coming across an 1901 English census > showing Isaac Joseph and Annie Joseph having children named Sara, Barnard, > Dora, Morris, Rubin ... the same names (or close enough) as Joseph and > Rachel Maginsky's children. Do you know if it is possible that at some > point, for some reason, the family chose to go by the mother's maiden name > and the mother and father (Joseph and Rachel) chose to use their middle > names? Jan Groshan USA - California

 Thank you so very much. Am presently in the UK (not going to Leeds this time) but will study it in greater detail when I get home (Israel). I believe I can now confirm my great grandmother's dod. Please thank Alan Tobias on my behalf. Regards Angie Elfassi Israel - presently in London Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ________________________________ From: Jewish Admin <Jewish@slanda.fsnet.co.uk> To: "BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com" <British-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:38 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN: Hilltop Cemeteries Leeds For those with family buried in Leeds you will be pleased to know that a new database of headstones is now available. Alan Tobias writes: " I am pleased to advise you that the work on Leeds Hilltop Cemeteries has been completed and that the records can now be viewed via the UK Jewish Genealogical Society’s JCR-UK web-site (hosted by Jewishgen): http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/leeds.htm  by following the ‘Hill Top Cemeteries’ link on that page." Enjoy! Sherry Landa (84130 Le Pontet, France)

For those with family buried in Leeds you will be pleased to know that a new database of headstones is now available. Alan Tobias writes: " I am pleased to advise you that the work on Leeds Hilltop Cemeteries has been completed and that the records can now be viewed via the UK Jewish Genealogical Society’s JCR-UK web-site (hosted by Jewishgen): http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/leeds.htm by following the ‘Hill Top Cemeteries’ link on that page." Enjoy! Sherry Landa (84130 Le Pontet, France)

The starting point would be the catalogue of the Jewish records held by the Manchester Central Library - Local Studies and Archives. Unfortunately the Central Library is closed for renovations but there are details on what is in the collection and where it is being held right now http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_studies/462/family_ history_in_manchester/13 Chevra Tillim Synagogue, Cheetham Hill Road, Manchester (The synagogue joined with other synagogues in 1958 to form the Cheetham Hebrew Synagogue.) Minutes, 1935-1957; accounts, 1935-1959; Annual statements of account, 1941-1955; valuation of contents and fixtures, no date (ref M408) Regards, Susan McPhedran -----Original Message----- From: Sigrid de Wit [mailto:sigrid.dewit@xs4all.nl] Sent: 30 July 2012 3:22 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] (old) Chevra Tillim synagogue, Fernie Street, Manchester Hi there, Is there anyone here with knowledge of the Chevra Tillim Synagogue in Manchester? I am looking for information on where its records might have gone and how I can find out things in these records. Any other information about the Jews that were living in Fernie Street (like my ancestors) in the late 1850s is also greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Sigrid de Wit

Hi there, Is there anyone here with knowledge of the Chevra Tillim Synagogue in Manchester? I am looking for information on where its records might have gone and how I can find out things in these records. Any other information about the Jews that were living in Fernie Street (like my ancestors) in the late 1850s is also greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Sigrid de Wit

For those interested Rosetta was his wife. Best wishes, Sherry Landa at Eurotunnel UK On 20/07/2012, Naomi <ndogin@bigpond.com> wrote: > Dear All > > I have taken a photo of the stone for Joseph Rosenberg, Royal Artillery > (UK), > Gunner 1075156, 3/12/43, aged 33. He is also on the CWGC site, Kanchanaburi > War Cemetery in Thailand. > The words at the end say 'Sweet is the word "remembrance", as long > as the years roll on. Rosetta.' > > I'd be happy to forward the photo. > > Naomi Ogin > Brisbane > > > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's a long shot but if any of you need photos or info from headstones at the cemetery above I am planning on doing a visit very soon (It's in the town where I live). There are loads of early jewish settlers and their families buried there. Cheers *Suzanne*

Dear All I have taken a photo of the stone for Joseph Rosenberg, Royal Artillery (UK), Gunner 1075156, 3/12/43, aged 33. He is also on the CWGC site, Kanchanaburi War Cemetery in Thailand. The words at the end say 'Sweet is the word "remembrance", as long as the years roll on. Rosetta.' I'd be happy to forward the photo. Naomi Ogin Brisbane

Maybe you could be more specific as to what you would like to know? -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Waterman Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:56 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Marianne Waterman many thanks. I already have all the above regards Joe On 19 July 2012 17:53, Margaret Skolnick <margaret.skolnick@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > 1911 census > > WATERMAN, Joel Brother In Law Single M 33 1878 Dock > Laborer London Whitechapel mother Elizabeth > WATERMAN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 75 1836 > Nil > Holland Resident > with > KONINGSWINTER, Joseph Head Married 23 years M 49 1862 > Insurance Agent Holland Resident > > Marianne could be married? > > Regards Margaret > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Waterman > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:20 PM > To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Marianne Waterman > > Has anyone got any info on a Marianne Waterman born 1868 Died? or > Joel Abraham Waterman born 1878 died? > > Both were children of Levy Abraham Waterman and Betje Koekoek > > Thanks > > Joe > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

many thanks. I already have all the above regards Joe On 19 July 2012 17:53, Margaret Skolnick <margaret.skolnick@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > 1911 census > > WATERMAN, Joel Brother In Law Single M 33 1878 Dock > Laborer London Whitechapel mother Elizabeth > WATERMAN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 75 1836 Nil > Holland Resident > with > KONINGSWINTER, Joseph Head Married 23 years M 49 1862 > Insurance Agent Holland Resident > > Marianne could be married? > > Regards Margaret > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Waterman > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:20 PM > To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Marianne Waterman > > Has anyone got any info on a Marianne Waterman born 1868 Died? or > Joel Abraham Waterman born 1878 died? > > Both were children of Levy Abraham Waterman and Betje Koekoek > > Thanks > > Joe > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1911 census WATERMAN, Joel Brother In Law Single M 33 1878 Dock Laborer London Whitechapel mother Elizabeth WATERMAN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 75 1836 Nil Holland Resident with KONINGSWINTER, Joseph Head Married 23 years M 49 1862 Insurance Agent Holland Resident Marianne could be married? Regards Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Waterman Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:20 PM To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Marianne Waterman Has anyone got any info on a Marianne Waterman born 1868 Died? or Joel Abraham Waterman born 1878 died? Both were children of Levy Abraham Waterman and Betje Koekoek Thanks Joe Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone got any info on a Marianne Waterman born 1868 Died? or Joel Abraham Waterman born 1878 died? Both were children of Levy Abraham Waterman and Betje Koekoek Thanks Joe

Hi All, To everyone who answered my questions regarding "Traveller" and Ironmongers Row many thanks. Your information was greatly appreciated. Regards, Judy - Australia

Hi He could be a travelling salesman or a gypsy. Regards Elizabeth Australia