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    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN: Alternative British-Jewry list is up and running
    2. Sherry Landa

    3. An alternative to this list is now set up at groups.io if you have not already joined please join us https://groups.io/g/British-Jewry This list is now moderated so that no further posts will appear. This will enable this to be the last message in the archives and should enable potential new subscribers to be redirected appropriately. We hope to see you all "on the other side". Best wishes Sherry & Jackye

    01/11/2020 08:47:03
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Name on wedding invitation
    2. Sherry Landa

    3. Erm, no it won't. England and Wales marriage certs should (but don't always) show the name and occupation of the fathers BUT NOT the mothers. Scotland marriage certs do give both parents though. Sorry I am very late to this party but this is the London one Naomi asked about??? Sherry in Slough On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 09:46, Ian Samuel <ian@samuel.net.au> wrote: > Perhaps some of the answer might be solved by ordering a copy of the > marriage certificate from the GRO. I believe the certificate will show the > names of the parents including the mother’s’ maiden name. > > Ian Samuel > Email: ian@samuel.net.au > > > On 10 Jan 2020, at 8:08 pm, british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Send BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list submissions to > british-jewry@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > british-jewry-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BRITISH-JEWRY digest..." > > If you wish to change the format of this digest please email > british-jewry-admin@rootsweb.com (put digest format in the subject line) > When you reply please remember to make the subject line appropriate and to > snip everything but the original message body-thanks! > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Puzzle regarding name on wedding invitation (R Coen) > 2. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London > (Nigel Warshaw) > 3. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London > (Mark Taylor) > 4. ADMIN We are up and running.... (Sherry Landa) > 5. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London > (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) > 6. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London > (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) > 7. Welcome to a new decade and a new forum! (Jeremy Frankel) > 8. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London > (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:58:53 +0000 > From: R Coen <rcoen@btconnect.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Puzzle regarding name on wedding > invitation > To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <a4cdc48f-039d-e8a7-513e-7f12a0d1871f@btconnect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi, > Apologies if I'm not using the proper process for responding, but my > grandfather's wedding invitation did not include his mother's name > either. He had fled Poland and was living with a foster family in > London, UK. When he married my grandmother his own mother was alive but > still in Poland. The invitation gives the name of the couple he was > living with alongside his brides parents. It was at Vine Street > Synagogue, London, UK. By the invitation style it seems to have been > quite a posh 'do' and we know my grandmother's family were not wealthy > people. We've assumed that it was because the foster family paid for > it. But don't really know. Its also a mystery. > > Best of luck in your search for an answer. But sorry, I don't know of > any newly available on-line records that could help. > > From a bright and crisp winter's day in Hertfordshire, UK > > Rachelle > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On 04/01/2020 05:37, Merv & Naomi Barnett wrote: > > This has been a longstanding puzzle in our family and perhaps someone > > can shed some light on it. > > > > My late mother in law's parents Sarah COHEN and Myer ROSE were married > > on 18 January 1911 in Manchester. At the time of the wedding the > > groom's father Abraham ROSE was deceased but the groom's mother Fanny > > was alive. The question is why was she not named on the invitation. > > My mother in law couldn't shed any light on it and wasn't aware who Mr > > & Mrs P Goldman were or how they might have been connected. > > > > It's many years since this question was first raised and I wonder if > > by now with so much more available on the web whether there is > > anywhere I could get more information. > > > > Here's a link to view the invitation: > > > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2865353146832553&set=gm.1776300239168681&type=3&theater&ifg=1 > > > > > > Naomi Barnett > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Our website is at > > www.british-jewry.org.uk > > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:04:05 -0800 > From: "Nigel Warshaw" <nwarshaw@comcast.net> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon > Lord Mayor of London > To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and > dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003101d5c677$ed988020$c8c98060$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Carolyn > > This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and > her > father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses > are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed > Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. > > Best > > Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. > > Berkeley California > > -----Original Message----- > From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM > To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord > Mayor of London > > Hello All, > This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my > family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, > quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to > his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. > A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was > related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, > Hackney, > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did > not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very > religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant > research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although > there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose > mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues > in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was > definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I > don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some > Jewish > ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the > surname > Moss I do not know where to start! > > I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my > link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: > Moss Isaac Solomon > Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" > Birthdate: 1735 > Birthplace: London, United Kingdom > Death: 1768 (32-33) > London, United Kingdom > Immediate Family: > Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father > of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; > Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth > Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon > > Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was > given > as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as > a > middle name. > > Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 02:38:28 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mark Taylor <marktaylor53@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon > Lord Mayor of London > To: "A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and > dependencies)" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <487840306.10404682.1578537508067@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Carolyn, > Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a > practising Jew until his death. > > Mark Taylor > > On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson < > m145@zipcon.com> wrote: > > Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a > practicing Jew. > > Great good luck with your research! > > Martha Jackson > > > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was > married > > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St > Leonard, > > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, > Hackney, > > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 20:10:49 +0000 > From: Sherry Landa <sherry.landa@gmail.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN We are up and running.... > To: "BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com" <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAPq-+KRu1=+qN2_nVBV+gaJ0p7SP3wy+HS19xaa=2KcBiNRoDw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dear All, > > Following the announcement earlier this week that Ancestry will be > closing all Rootsweb mailing lists in March, Jackye and I have been > doing some research and have found a new host platform. > > Groups io will be our new home and in order to make the transfer as > easy as possible for you we will be sending you an automatic > invitation. If you want to move with us you simply accept and are > taken through the process. If you prefer to leave us then you can > ignore the invitation and that will be the end of it. > > Invitations will be coming out before the end of the day (I hope and I > am on GMT). > > The new "list" is an email group and you have various new options such > as replying on the web or replying just to the poster, as well as the > default on here which is reply to the whole group. You also have the > option to post in HTML and the option to send attachments. We know > these are things you want and would save us work when we have to > reject your message as "too big" because of the HTML. > > Whilst you are allowed to post attachments we would rather you used > our FaceBook group to do that > [https://www.facebook.com/groups/BritishJewry/]. We have taken up the > free option and once our data space is full then attachments are the > first thing that is stripped. In FaceBook they naturally fall to the > bottom of the group and so it's less of an issue. > > When you first join your first post will automatically be moderated > and given the sudden flurry of posts this week, do please bear with us > whilst we approve you. > > We will be slightly more relaxed about posts whilst we all get used to > the new system, but please don't abuse this trust. Genuine mistakes > will be forgiven but flagrant flouting of our rules, won't. > > Rules will remain the same which are simple, make the subject line > relevant, keep it to British-Jewry (remit), be polite and respectful, > and finally if in doubt-ask before you post! > > With the above in mind we will now be winding down this list, ready > for it's archiving. > > Jackye and I would like to thank you all for everything that you have > posted and for many our list one of the best. We really genuinely want > to see each and everyone of you over on io and we will be truly sad if > you choose not to join us, but we do understand. > > With much love, > > Sherry and Jackye > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. IF YOU HAVE QUERIES EMAIL ME OR > COME AND JOIN US ON IO. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:42:16 -0000 > From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon > Lord Mayor of London > To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and > dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <033f01d5c735$a98a39a0$fc9eace0$@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Nigel, > > Sadly neither of those names are in my tree for that time period at the > moment and I certainly do not know of any link to Moss Bros in my family > but > I will keep a note and if Sarah and Samuel appear will get back to you. > > Thanks for the thought though! > > Carolyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Warshaw <nwarshaw@comcast.net> > Sent: 08 January 2020 23:04 > To: 'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies)' > <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord > Mayor of London > > Hi Carolyn > > This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and > her > father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses > are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed > Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. > > Best > > Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. > > Berkeley California > > -----Original Message----- > From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM > To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord > Mayor of London > > Hello All, > This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my > family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, > quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to > his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. > A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was > related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, > Hackney, > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did > not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very > religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant > research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although > there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose > mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues > in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was > definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I > don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some > Jewish > ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the > surname > Moss I do not know where to start! > > I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my > link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: > Moss Isaac Solomon > Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" > Birthdate: 1735 > Birthplace: London, United Kingdom > Death: 1768 (32-33) > London, United Kingdom > Immediate Family: > Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father > of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; > Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth > Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon > > Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was > given > as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as > a > middle name. > > Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:44:25 -0000 > From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon > Lord Mayor of London > To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and > dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <034101d5c735$f68122f0$e38368d0$@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thank you Mark. That was not something I had considered so shall now see > what I can find! > > Carolyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Taylor via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 09 January 2020 02:38 > To: A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies) > <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Mark Taylor <marktaylor53@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord > Mayor of London > > Hi Carolyn, > Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a > practising Jew until his death. > > Mark Taylor > > On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson > <m145@zipcon.com> wrote: > > Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a > practicing Jew. > > Great good luck with your research! > > Martha Jackson > > > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was > > married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary > > St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of > > Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:04:20 -0800 > From: Jeremy Frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Welcome to a new decade and a new forum! > To: British Jewry <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <549830EB-601D-4F88-B525-093D5E94D9BF@lmi.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear All, > > I too am very happy to be a member of this band of genealogists. I look > forward to reading other members’ posts and perhaps answer a query or two. > My own UK research is quite well established with a tree that’s burgeoning > with several thousand relatives and ancestors. Still, I’m always will to > entertain the idea that there might be more family out there I’ve not yet > “met!” > > Happy ancestor hunting! > > Jeremy > > > Jeremy G Frankel > ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England > now Sacramento, California, USA > > Searching for: > FRANKEL/FRENKEL/FRENKIEL: Gombin, Poland; London, England > GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England > KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA > LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England > PINKUS, Poland; London, England > PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:42:01 -0000 > From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon > Lord Mayor of London > To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and > dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <035801d5c73e$03105740$093105c0$@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thank you for all your advice, replies and help with my query thus far. > With > the kind help of a list member, I have decided it is too big an expectation > to find link yet and that before I do anything else I need, if possible, > to > ascertain who Isaac's parent were. As one very kind lister has said to me, > Isaac might well have changed his name or been shunned by his parents, so I > may never know. As well as following up on my DNA results by uploading them > elsewhere, I would also like to investigate the following people who are > both listed in Pigot's Directories as Staymakers, living in close proximity > to Isaac, either of which could be linked to him: > > Samuel Moss born abt 1789 Whitechapel. Between 1819-1825 he is listed as a > Staymaker at 2 Prospects Row, Kingland and in 1841 Census is shown as a > Hatter with 2 daughters: Amelia age 22 & Elizabeth age 17 ('My' Isaac also > had a daughter called Amelia and one of his other daughter's became a > hatter...could this Samuel possibly be Isaac's older brother?) > > Hannah Moss birth less easy to determine but in 1836 she is listed as a > Staymaker in 14 St Martins Ct, Leicester Sq. > > Does anyone perhaps have any information on either of these 2 people > please? > > Carolyn (Somerset - UK) > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list -- > british-jewry@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6 > ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. 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    01/10/2020 10:47:16
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Name on wedding invitation
    2. Ian Samuel

    3. Perhaps some of the answer might be solved by ordering a copy of the marriage certificate from the GRO. I believe the certificate will show the names of the parents including the mother’s’ maiden name. Ian Samuel Email: ian@samuel.net.au > On 10 Jan 2020, at 8:08 pm, british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list submissions to british-jewry@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at british-jewry-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BRITISH-JEWRY digest..." If you wish to change the format of this digest please email british-jewry-admin@rootsweb.com (put digest format in the subject line) When you reply please remember to make the subject line appropriate and to snip everything but the original message body-thanks! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Puzzle regarding name on wedding invitation (R Coen) 2. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London (Nigel Warshaw) 3. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London (Mark Taylor) 4. ADMIN We are up and running.... (Sherry Landa) 5. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) 6. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) 7. Welcome to a new decade and a new forum! (Jeremy Frankel) 8. Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London (carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:58:53 +0000 From: R Coen <rcoen@btconnect.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Puzzle regarding name on wedding invitation To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <a4cdc48f-039d-e8a7-513e-7f12a0d1871f@btconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi, Apologies if I'm not using the proper process for responding, but my grandfather's wedding invitation did not include his mother's name either. He had fled Poland and was living with a foster family in London, UK. When he married my grandmother his own mother was alive but still in Poland. The invitation gives the name of the couple he was living with alongside his brides parents. It was at Vine Street Synagogue, London, UK. By the invitation style it seems to have been quite a posh 'do' and we know my grandmother's family were not wealthy people. We've assumed that it was because the foster family paid for it. But don't really know. Its also a mystery. Best of luck in your search for an answer. But sorry, I don't know of any newly available on-line records that could help. From a bright and crisp winter's day in Hertfordshire, UK Rachelle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On 04/01/2020 05:37, Merv & Naomi Barnett wrote: > This has been a longstanding puzzle in our family and perhaps someone > can shed some light on it. > > My late mother in law's parents Sarah COHEN and Myer ROSE were married > on 18 January 1911 in Manchester. At the time of the wedding the > groom's father Abraham ROSE was deceased but the groom's mother Fanny > was alive. The question is why was she not named on the invitation. > My mother in law couldn't shed any light on it and wasn't aware who Mr > & Mrs P Goldman were or how they might have been connected. > > It's many years since this question was first raised and I wonder if > by now with so much more available on the web whether there is > anywhere I could get more information. > > Here's a link to view the invitation: > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2865353146832553&set=gm.1776300239168681&type=3&theater&ifg=1 > > > Naomi Barnett > Melbourne, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 15:04:05 -0800 From: "Nigel Warshaw" <nwarshaw@comcast.net> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003101d5c677$ed988020$c8c98060$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Carolyn This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and her father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. Best Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. Berkeley California -----Original Message----- From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hello All, This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some Jewish ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the surname Moss I do not know where to start! I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: Moss Isaac Solomon Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" Birthdate: 1735 Birthplace: London, United Kingdom Death: 1768 (32-33) London, United Kingdom Immediate Family: Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was given as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as a middle name. Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 02:38:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Taylor <marktaylor53@yahoo.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London To: "A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies)" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <487840306.10404682.1578537508067@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Carolyn, Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a practising Jew until his death. Mark Taylor On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson <m145@zipcon.com> wrote: Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew. Great good luck with your research! Martha Jackson > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 20:10:49 +0000 From: Sherry Landa <sherry.landa@gmail.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN We are up and running.... To: "BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com" <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPq-+KRu1=+qN2_nVBV+gaJ0p7SP3wy+HS19xaa=2KcBiNRoDw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, Following the announcement earlier this week that Ancestry will be closing all Rootsweb mailing lists in March, Jackye and I have been doing some research and have found a new host platform. Groups io will be our new home and in order to make the transfer as easy as possible for you we will be sending you an automatic invitation. If you want to move with us you simply accept and are taken through the process. If you prefer to leave us then you can ignore the invitation and that will be the end of it. Invitations will be coming out before the end of the day (I hope and I am on GMT). The new "list" is an email group and you have various new options such as replying on the web or replying just to the poster, as well as the default on here which is reply to the whole group. 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IF YOU HAVE QUERIES EMAIL ME OR COME AND JOIN US ON IO. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:42:16 -0000 From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <033f01d5c735$a98a39a0$fc9eace0$@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Nigel, Sadly neither of those names are in my tree for that time period at the moment and I certainly do not know of any link to Moss Bros in my family but I will keep a note and if Sarah and Samuel appear will get back to you. Thanks for the thought though! Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Warshaw <nwarshaw@comcast.net> Sent: 08 January 2020 23:04 To: 'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies)' <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hi Carolyn This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and her father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. Best Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. Berkeley California -----Original Message----- From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hello All, This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some Jewish ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the surname Moss I do not know where to start! I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: Moss Isaac Solomon Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" Birthdate: 1735 Birthplace: London, United Kingdom Death: 1768 (32-33) London, United Kingdom Immediate Family: Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was given as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as a middle name. Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 21:44:25 -0000 From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <034101d5c735$f68122f0$e38368d0$@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Mark. That was not something I had considered so shall now see what I can find! Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Mark Taylor via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 January 2020 02:38 To: A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies) <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Cc: Mark Taylor <marktaylor53@yahoo.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hi Carolyn, Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a practising Jew until his death. Mark Taylor On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson <m145@zipcon.com> wrote: Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew. Great good luck with your research! Martha Jackson > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was > married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary > St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of > Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:04:20 -0800 From: Jeremy Frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Welcome to a new decade and a new forum! To: British Jewry <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <549830EB-601D-4F88-B525-093D5E94D9BF@lmi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear All, I too am very happy to be a member of this band of genealogists. I look forward to reading other members’ posts and perhaps answer a query or two. My own UK research is quite well established with a tree that’s burgeoning with several thousand relatives and ancestors. Still, I’m always will to entertain the idea that there might be more family out there I’ve not yet “met!” Happy ancestor hunting! Jeremy Jeremy G Frankel ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England now Sacramento, California, USA Searching for: FRANKEL/FRENKEL/FRENKIEL: Gombin, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England PINKUS, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 22:42:01 -0000 From: <carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London To: "'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain \(and dependencies\)'" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <035801d5c73e$03105740$093105c0$@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you for all your advice, replies and help with my query thus far. With the kind help of a list member, I have decided it is too big an expectation to find link yet and that before I do anything else I need, if possible, to ascertain who Isaac's parent were. As one very kind lister has said to me, Isaac might well have changed his name or been shunned by his parents, so I may never know. As well as following up on my DNA results by uploading them elsewhere, I would also like to investigate the following people who are both listed in Pigot's Directories as Staymakers, living in close proximity to Isaac, either of which could be linked to him: Samuel Moss born abt 1789 Whitechapel. Between 1819-1825 he is listed as a Staymaker at 2 Prospects Row, Kingland and in 1841 Census is shown as a Hatter with 2 daughters: Amelia age 22 & Elizabeth age 17 ('My' Isaac also had a daughter called Amelia and one of his other daughter's became a hatter...could this Samuel possibly be Isaac's older brother?) Hannah Moss birth less easy to determine but in 1836 she is listed as a Staymaker in 14 St Martins Ct, Leicester Sq. Does anyone perhaps have any information on either of these 2 people please? Carolyn (Somerset - UK) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list -- british-jewry@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 15, Issue 6 ********************************************

    01/10/2020 02:21:37
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London

    3. Thank you for all your advice, replies and help with my query thus far. With the kind help of a list member, I have decided it is too big an expectation to find link yet and that before I do anything else I need, if possible, to ascertain who Isaac's parent were. As one very kind lister has said to me, Isaac might well have changed his name or been shunned by his parents, so I may never know. As well as following up on my DNA results by uploading them elsewhere, I would also like to investigate the following people who are both listed in Pigot's Directories as Staymakers, living in close proximity to Isaac, either of which could be linked to him: Samuel Moss born abt 1789 Whitechapel. Between 1819-1825 he is listed as a Staymaker at 2 Prospects Row, Kingland and in 1841 Census is shown as a Hatter with 2 daughters: Amelia age 22 & Elizabeth age 17 ('My' Isaac also had a daughter called Amelia and one of his other daughter's became a hatter...could this Samuel possibly be Isaac's older brother?) Hannah Moss birth less easy to determine but in 1836 she is listed as a Staymaker in 14 St Martins Ct, Leicester Sq. Does anyone perhaps have any information on either of these 2 people please? Carolyn (Somerset - UK)

    01/09/2020 03:42:01
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Welcome to a new decade and a new forum!
    2. Jeremy Frankel

    3. Dear All, I too am very happy to be a member of this band of genealogists. I look forward to reading other members’ posts and perhaps answer a query or two. My own UK research is quite well established with a tree that’s burgeoning with several thousand relatives and ancestors. Still, I’m always will to entertain the idea that there might be more family out there I’ve not yet “met!” Happy ancestor hunting! Jeremy Jeremy G Frankel ex-Edgware, Middlesex, England now Sacramento, California, USA Searching for: FRANKEL/FRENKEL/FRENKIEL: Gombin, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England PINKUS, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

    01/09/2020 03:04:20
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London

    3. Thank you Mark. That was not something I had considered so shall now see what I can find! Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Mark Taylor via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 January 2020 02:38 To: A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies) <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Cc: Mark Taylor <marktaylor53@yahoo.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hi Carolyn, Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a practising Jew until his death. Mark Taylor On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson <m145@zipcon.com> wrote: Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew. Great good luck with your research! Martha Jackson > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was > married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary > St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of > Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/09/2020 02:44:25
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London

    3. Hi Nigel, Sadly neither of those names are in my tree for that time period at the moment and I certainly do not know of any link to Moss Bros in my family but I will keep a note and if Sarah and Samuel appear will get back to you. Thanks for the thought though! Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Warshaw <nwarshaw@comcast.net> Sent: 08 January 2020 23:04 To: 'A list for researching Jewish heritage in Britain (and dependencies)' <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hi Carolyn This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and her father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. Best Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. Berkeley California -----Original Message----- From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hello All, This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some Jewish ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the surname Moss I do not know where to start! I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: Moss Isaac Solomon Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" Birthdate: 1735 Birthplace: London, United Kingdom Death: 1768 (32-33) London, United Kingdom Immediate Family: Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was given as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as a middle name. Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/09/2020 02:42:16
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] ADMIN We are up and running....
    2. Sherry Landa

    3. Dear All, Following the announcement earlier this week that Ancestry will be closing all Rootsweb mailing lists in March, Jackye and I have been doing some research and have found a new host platform. Groups io will be our new home and in order to make the transfer as easy as possible for you we will be sending you an automatic invitation. If you want to move with us you simply accept and are taken through the process. If you prefer to leave us then you can ignore the invitation and that will be the end of it. Invitations will be coming out before the end of the day (I hope and I am on GMT). The new "list" is an email group and you have various new options such as replying on the web or replying just to the poster, as well as the default on here which is reply to the whole group. You also have the option to post in HTML and the option to send attachments. We know these are things you want and would save us work when we have to reject your message as "too big" because of the HTML. Whilst you are allowed to post attachments we would rather you used our FaceBook group to do that [https://www.facebook.com/groups/BritishJewry/]. We have taken up the free option and once our data space is full then attachments are the first thing that is stripped. In FaceBook they naturally fall to the bottom of the group and so it's less of an issue. When you first join your first post will automatically be moderated and given the sudden flurry of posts this week, do please bear with us whilst we approve you. We will be slightly more relaxed about posts whilst we all get used to the new system, but please don't abuse this trust. Genuine mistakes will be forgiven but flagrant flouting of our rules, won't. Rules will remain the same which are simple, make the subject line relevant, keep it to British-Jewry (remit), be polite and respectful, and finally if in doubt-ask before you post! With the above in mind we will now be winding down this list, ready for it's archiving. Jackye and I would like to thank you all for everything that you have posted and for many our list one of the best. We really genuinely want to see each and everyone of you over on io and we will be truly sad if you choose not to join us, but we do understand. With much love, Sherry and Jackye PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD. IF YOU HAVE QUERIES EMAIL ME OR COME AND JOIN US ON IO.

    01/09/2020 01:10:49
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Puzzle regarding name on wedding invitation
    2. R Coen

    3. Hi, Apologies if I'm not using the proper process for responding, but my grandfather's wedding invitation did not include his mother's name either. He had fled Poland and was living with a foster family in London, UK. When he married my grandmother his own mother was alive but still in Poland. The invitation gives the name of the couple he was living with alongside his brides parents. It was at Vine Street Synagogue, London, UK. By the invitation style it seems to have been quite a posh 'do' and we know my grandmother's family were not wealthy people.  We've assumed that it was because the foster family paid for it. But don't really know. Its also a mystery. Best of luck in your search for an answer.  But sorry, I don't know of any newly available on-line records that could help. From a bright and crisp winter's day in Hertfordshire, UK Rachelle ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 04/01/2020 05:37, Merv & Naomi Barnett wrote: > This has been a longstanding puzzle in our family and perhaps someone > can shed some light on it. > > My late mother in law's parents Sarah COHEN and Myer ROSE were married > on 18 January 1911 in Manchester. At the time of the wedding the > groom's father Abraham ROSE was deceased but the groom's mother Fanny > was alive. The question is why was she not named on the invitation. > My mother in law couldn't shed any light on it and wasn't aware who Mr > & Mrs P Goldman were or how they might have been connected. > > It's many years since this question was first raised and I wonder if > by now with so much more available on the web whether there is > anywhere I could get more information. > > Here's a link to view the invitation: > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2865353146832553&set=gm.1776300239168681&type=3&theater&ifg=1 > > > Naomi Barnett > Melbourne, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

    01/09/2020 08:58:53
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London
    2. Mark Taylor

    3. Hi Carolyn, Agree with Martha.My grandfather married "out" twice but remained a practising Jew until his death. Mark Taylor On Thursday, 9 January 2020, 8:17:17 am AEDT, Martha Jackson <m145@zipcon.com> wrote: Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew. Great good luck with your research! Martha Jackson > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/08/2020 07:38:28
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London
    2. Nigel Warshaw

    3. Hi Carolyn This may be a long shot but my maternal ggrandmother was Sarah Moss and her father was Saul Moss born probably Whitechapel 1811. I believe these Mosses are the same family as the Moss Bros dynasty as my mother always claimed Kinship and I got a family discount at Moss Bros. Best Nigel Warshaw. Mother nee Eileen Poland. Berkeley California -----Original Message----- From: carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:16 AM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Cc: carolyn.mccartney@btinternet.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Hello All, This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some Jewish ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the surname Moss I do not know where to start! I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: Moss Isaac Solomon Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" Birthdate: 1735 Birthplace: London, United Kingdom Death: 1768 (32-33) London, United Kingdom Immediate Family: Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was given as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as a middle name. Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK) _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/08/2020 04:04:11
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London
    2. carolyn.mccartney

    3. Oh ok, I didn't realise that. Many thanks Martha.CarolynSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Martha Jackson <m145@zipcon.com> Date: 08/01/2020 21:16 (GMT+00:00) To: "carolyn.mccartney--- via BRITISH-JEWRY" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew.Great good luck with your research!Martha Jackson> Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married> twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard,> Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney,> so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew.

    01/08/2020 02:50:42
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London
    2. Martha Jackson

    3. Dar Carolyn, just wanted to say, none of that means that Isaac was not a practicing Jew. Great good luck with your research! Martha Jackson > Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married > twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, > Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, > so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew.

    01/08/2020 02:16:52
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Help with link from Isaac Moss to Salomon Lord Mayor of London

    3. Hello All, This is my first post to your list as after 15 years of researching my family history, I am just about to start researching a Jewish line I have, quite far back. My 3x great grandfather Isaac Moss was born (according to his burial record in Tower Hamlets Cemetery) in Whitechapel in about 1794. A 'story', handed down to different parts of the family, is that Isaac was related to the first Jewish Lord Mayor of London, Sir David Salomons. Isaac was a Staymaker in Whitechapel and died there in 1857. He was married twice, both times in the CofE: Mary Philpot in 1825 at St Mary St Leonard, Bromley and then Sarah Ellen Smith in 1836 at St John of Jerusalem, Hackney, so was quite obviously not a practicing Jew. He had 15 children (many did not survive) but my 2x Great Grandfather, Reuben Moss was apparently a very religious man and ended up as a Christian Scientist. Despite significant research, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Isaac (although there is another Isaac Moss born about the same time in Whitechapel whose mother was Lydia and emigrated to Australia). So given all the above clues in the names, location, occupation etc I still had no proof that Isaac was definitely of Jewish ancestry. I therefore did a DNA test (autosomal as I don't have a male to do a Ydna for me) and this proved I do have some Jewish ancestry. So, having never ventured into Jewish records and with the surname Moss I do not know where to start! I have found the following on Geni.com so am wondering if this could be my link but I have no idea how to follow this or where to go from here: Moss Isaac Solomon Also Known As: "Moshe Fidshil Faya" Birthdate: 1735 Birthplace: London, United Kingdom Death: 1768 (32-33) London, United Kingdom Immediate Family: Son of Solomon Solomon and Hagar Solomons Husband of Julia Solomons Father of Samuel Moss (Shemayah) Solomon, Free "Enchantress" 1833; Miriam Solomon; Joseph Solomon; Rose Solomon; Jane Solomon and 1 other Brother of Elizabeth Davis and Solomon Levy Solomon Whether it is traditional or not I do not know, but the name Isaac was given as a first name to one son and then all his other sons were given Isaac as a middle name. Carolyn (nee Moss - in Somerset UK)

    01/08/2020 02:16:22
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: ADMIN: Website
    2. Sherry Landa

    3. Dear Ruth, Yes, we have had it. I have just walked in from work to find it. Jackye and I have already spoken and we will be announcing our alternative plan in a few days when we have done some research ;-) Never fear we are commited to continuing to provide an email list format for those who prefer this to our FaceBook group. We just need a few days to work out what is going to be the best option. For the moment I would appreciate it, if we did not flood the list (although why I should care about the archives, now) with messages discussing this. Thanks again for your email and concern. Sherry (Slough, UK) On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 18:13, Ruth <ruthinbrum@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is an announcement regarding Rootsweb lists on Dick Eastman today. > Have you had this? > Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, UK) > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 11:38, Sherry Landa <sherry.landa@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Firstly, thank you to those generous many who have so kindly donated to > > help us update and maintain our website. Jackye and I are very grateful. > > > > As part of the update for the security certificate we have had to reset our > > nameservers. This can take up to 48 hours (from now) and may result in the > > website being unavailable. I apologise for the inconvenience but know you > > value security over the inconvenience. I am hoping that by doing this today > > it should all be back to normal by the weekend. Once the nameserver is > > updated we will be able to configure the security certificate. > > > > Best wishes and Happy Holidays. > > > > Sherry and Jackye > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Our website is at > > www.british-jewry.org.uk > > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/07/2020 11:43:00
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: ADMIN: Website
    2. Ruth

    3. There is an announcement regarding Rootsweb lists on Dick Eastman today. Have you had this? Regards, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, UK) On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 11:38, Sherry Landa <sherry.landa@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Firstly, thank you to those generous many who have so kindly donated to > help us update and maintain our website. Jackye and I are very grateful. > > As part of the update for the security certificate we have had to reset our > nameservers. This can take up to 48 hours (from now) and may result in the > website being unavailable. I apologise for the inconvenience but know you > value security over the inconvenience. I am hoping that by doing this today > it should all be back to normal by the weekend. Once the nameserver is > updated we will be able to configure the security certificate. > > Best wishes and Happy Holidays. > > Sherry and Jackye > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/07/2020 11:12:42
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: Where to from here
    2. Linda Kelley

    3. I believe Saperia and Shapiro are variants of the same surname. Can you obtain the marriage record? There is a record in JewishGen for the 1888 marriage of Ludsky and Saperia. It says “Golder’s” father was Joseph Saperia, and does not say he was deceased. The original record might have signatures of witnesses. Marks was listed as Max. Max, his father, Nahum, and Joseph were all tailors. Linda Wolfe Kelley Portland, OR, USA On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:39 AM Gordon SIlverman < gsilverman@blacksilver.id.au> wrote: > Looking for help & not sure how to proceed! > > I have established that my Grandparents were married in the Belgrave > Street Synagogue in Leeds on May 23rd 1888. > Their wedding invitation showed their names as Marks Lutchky and Golde > Shapiro, however the parents? were shown as - > Mr & Mrs B. Berger and Mr & Mrs N. Shapiro. I believe these could have > been stand-ins as the birth parents may not have been in England. > Marks's sister Leah was already married (I think) to a Barnett Berger who > I assume stood in for Marks' parents. The earliest record I've found for > them is the 1891 census. > Leah is shown as being born in Vilna, Lithuania. > Golde's sister Rielke was already married to Joseph Saperia in 1879. Could > they have changed their name to Shapiro & stood in as Goldes' parents? > Rielke's surname when she married is shown as Schultz, which further > complicates research. > > I know Marks & Golde's name became Ludski as I have candlesticks presented > to them from the Psalms of David Synagogue for their 25th Anniversary in > 1913. > Ludski was my Mother's maiden name. > > I would like to establish their background. Did they arrive from > Poland/Russia following pogroms. How would they have arrived in Leeds & > from where? > Any assistance/suggestions would be appreciated as living in Melbourne, > Australia & also being a rookie at research is difficult. > > > Gordon Silverman > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/07/2020 02:01:46
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Where to from here
    2. Gordon SIlverman

    3. Looking for help & not sure how to proceed! I have established that my Grandparents were married in the Belgrave Street Synagogue in Leeds on May 23rd 1888. Their wedding invitation showed their names as Marks Lutchky and Golde Shapiro, however the parents? were shown as - Mr & Mrs B. Berger and Mr & Mrs N. Shapiro. I believe these could have been stand-ins as the birth parents may not have been in England. Marks's sister Leah was already married (I think) to a Barnett Berger who I assume stood in for Marks' parents. The earliest record I've found for them is the 1891 census. Leah is shown as being born in Vilna, Lithuania. Golde's sister Rielke was already married to Joseph Saperia in 1879. Could they have changed their name to Shapiro & stood in as Goldes' parents? Rielke's surname when she married is shown as Schultz, which further complicates research. I know Marks & Golde's name became Ludski as I have candlesticks presented to them from the Psalms of David Synagogue for their 25th Anniversary in 1913. Ludski was my Mother's maiden name. I would like to establish their background. Did they arrive from Poland/Russia following pogroms. How would they have arrived in Leeds & from where? Any assistance/suggestions would be appreciated as living in Melbourne, Australia & also being a rookie at research is difficult. Gordon Silverman

    01/07/2020 01:39:13
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Amazing resource new to me.
    2. Miriam Margolyes

    3. From a Facebook page. Here is the Rosenbaum Bank record where Max WIENER purchased tickets on 14 Aug 1904 for Schloime SCHMUKLER and Pinches SCHMUKLER: https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/collection/p16002coll16/id/4850/rec/14

    01/06/2020 02:32:13
    1. [BRITISH-JEWRY] Re: ADMIN Happy New Year
    2. Angie Elfassi

    3. Thank you Sherry and Jackye for all your help ???? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 14:34, Sherry Landa<sherry.landa@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, Just a quick email to wish you all a Happy and Healthy 2020. Jackye and I would like to thank you for your support. This list could not run without you. We have successfully updated the website and checked for bugs and added a security certificate. We have paid for this from your donations. We are also almost half-way there with the premium to renew the website in April. I will update you later on this but a MASSIVE thank you to all those who contributed. Please do post. The list has been very slow (along with most email lists) in 2019. It would be lovely if 2020 could be better. If you have any queries or concerns remember Jackye and I are around almost 24/7 as we are on two different time zones 8 hours apart, so mail us a british-jewry-owner@rootsweb.com and whoever is awake will deal with your email. Best wishes and happy searching. Sherry Landa and Jackye Sullins _______________________________________________ Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/british-jewry@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/05/2020 07:20:48