Hi Edie I have two known third cousins once removed (with one a male ROWBERRY and the other having a ROWBERRY great-grandmother) take a Family Finder Test, just to see how well it worked and it found no matches at all. I'm afraid that for all other genes it is a complete lottery what you inherit from your ancestors - it may be all or nothing. So I would not advise anyone to take these tests with any hope of proving anything....they are also far more expensive than the plain Y DNA and mt DNA tests which are able to show matches on a scientific basis. And it is always worth looking to see if there is a Surname Project already set up for your surname - in some cases they may, as well as offering a Group discount on the cost, offer further help with the cost of your Test Kit as I do with my ROWBERRY Project. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History She could do a familyfinder test herself polly, but I am still waiting for results to the one I did for my Place line. Had my brother ydna done but no results yet. Mind you I havent checked for ages and havent had any updates for ages. Folk havent the money I guuess to take such tests. Some folk put up the money themselves to have someone willing to take the test. Not everyone has the money to spare to take one. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > Hi Jeanette > > It all depends whether you have a male relative who is a direct line male > descendant of the said Great-grandparents. > > If you have, and you can persuade him to take a DNA test for you then you > should be able to discover matches with other males who are also related > to > this line. I would suggest that you test intially for Y DNA at a level of > 37 markers with Family Tree DNA. If you look you will find that they have > a > "SMITH - Official All" surname project with 1598 members already. > > If you click on the link that you will find to this if you search for > SMITH > on their home page (http://www.familytreedna.com/) then you will be able > to > order and pay for a kit at the reduced group rate. However even if his > father wasn't a SMITH then once you have the results they will be compared > with ALL the results in the database, and they will continue to be matched > as and when any new test matches. > > So eventually you should begin to find some relatives and so get a handle > on > where they originated. If you find a 37/37 match then you will be able to > upgrade the test to a 67 marker one. > > Unfortunately there is no test that you as a female can take yourself to > do > this. The only accurate test that you can do is the mitocondrial DNA > which > will match you with your direct female line back in time, ie your mother's > mother's mother's mother's mother etc. > > I run a DNA Project with FTDNA and have done since 2007 (The ROWBERRY > Project) and while I am a very satisfied cutomer, I have no other > connection > with the company. > Kind regards > Polly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:34 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > > > I enjoyed reading your message Roy and it had occurred to me about the > illegitimacy question... > > However, my interest is in my elusive Smith family, (nothing to do with > the > Bristol list). I've only managed to get back as far as my gt. grandparents > on > this line. They were probably from Ireland, but as my grandfather was born > at > sea I don't even have a place to start. Would DNA be able to link me with > an > area where I could start researching? I don't seem to be able to get an > answer > on this. > > Incidentally I've got a connection with Shackleton too - through Percy > Blackborow who was on the Antarctic voyage with him and who is connected > to > my > Blackborow line. > > Jeanette > > > Quoting [email protected]: > >> I suspect I am about to make myself unpopular in some quarters, but >> genealogy is nothing if >> not controversial now and then. Debate is, after all, the spice of >> life and of our great hobby. >> >> I am afraid I find myself unable to join in with what seems to be the >> general euphoria about >> DNA testing. I am, to put it bluntly, yet to be convinced that it is >> anything other than just >> another adjunct of genealogy and family history, moreover one that is >> largely untested, >> untried and unproven. >> >> We are talking about a supposed "science" (if that is the correct >> term) here that is very much >> in its infancy and it is my experience that new technologies tend to >> attract charlatans out to >> make a fast buck out of gullible beginners! I feel rather the same >> about DNA testing as I do >> about those shysters I call "bucket shop genealogists", i.e. those >> websites and little stalls you >> see in shopping malls that purport to sell you your "family coat of >> arms" or a framed "history >> of your surname", which those of us who have been in this business a >> very long time know to >> be utter rubbish. >> >> What evidence of any substantive consequence is there that DNA >> testing can actually prove >> anything at all? We only have the word of those who are offering it >> and who, therefore, have >> a deep vested interest in the whole subject, i.e. in making money out of >> it. >> >> So DNA testing might prove that your ancestor was a Stone Age caveman >> 20,000 years ago? >> I seem to recall there was a story a few years back to this effect, >> i.e. that a teacher in the >> West Country had been linked by DNA to some pre-historic man whose >> bones were found in >> a cave. So what? What does this prove? Does it fill in all the gaps >> and links in between? Of >> course it doesn't! >> >> Speaking as an "old-timer", a family historian for some 40 years and >> today a professional >> genealogist, I am interested only in what can be proven by the >> time-honoured, tried and >> tested, old-fashioned methods of documentation and published >> evidence, backed up by my >> own researches. Frankly, I do not wish to have my supposed ancestry >> decided by test tube >> experiments in a laboratory on my DNA. I prefer my own researches in >> the archives and my >> own interpretation of what those findings show. >> >> I expect some bright spark in a lab will tell me that as a >> Yorkshireman from way back I have >> Viking blood. Well, I think I knew that already. My own researches >> tell me, backed up by >> documentary evidence, that I am a (very) distant cousin of Sir Ernest >> Shackleton, the great >> Antarctic explorer. Though he was born in Ireland, we both have >> Shackleton ancestry from >> Yorkshire and we both descend from a marriage at Keighley in 1581 in >> Elizabeth times. >> Frankly, I am far, far, far more interested in this than in knowing >> via DNA testing that I >> descend from unknown Vikings in Scandinavia or, even farther back, >> from a Hottentot tribe in >> Africa several thousand years ago. >> >> I have yet to be convinced of what people get out of DNA testing, >> other than pure >> speculation. Has it not occurred also to some of you that the whole >> thing can be totally thrown >> by what is known as "non-paternity " issues, i.e. illegitimacy? >> >> I rest my case and now await the flying brickbats. Talk about putting >> a cat amongst the >> pigeons, Roy.....! >> >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >> Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >> >> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >> and that is not being talked about." >> OSCAR WILDE >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I agree, I would rather take the ydna test than the familyfinder as there are just so many names that do not mean anything. I just cannot be interested in any of them. Havening said that. I did find a Speed surname not that common amongst my familyfinder which happens to also be my Great granny on my maternals sides name. Havent bothered to follow through as yet. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > Hi Edie > > I have two known third cousins once removed (with one a male ROWBERRY and > the other having a ROWBERRY great-grandmother) take a Family Finder Test, > just to see how well it worked and it found no matches at all. I'm afraid > that for all other genes it is a complete lottery what you inherit from > your > ancestors - it may be all or nothing. > > So I would not advise anyone to take these tests with any hope of proving > anything....they are also far more expensive than the plain Y DNA and mt > DNA > tests which are able to show matches on a scientific basis. > > And it is always worth looking to see if there is a Surname Project > already > set up for your surname - in some cases they may, as well as offering a > Group discount on the cost, offer further help with the cost of your Test > Kit as I do with my ROWBERRY Project. > Kind regards > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:56 AM > Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > > > She could do a familyfinder test herself polly, but I am still waiting for > results to the one I did for my Place line. Had my brother ydna done but > no > results yet. Mind you I havent checked for ages and havent had any updates > for ages. Folk havent the money I guuess to take such tests. Some folk > put > up the money themselves to have someone willing to take the test. Not > everyone has the money to spare to take one. > Edie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History > > >> Hi Jeanette >> >> It all depends whether you have a male relative who is a direct line male >> descendant of the said Great-grandparents. >> >> If you have, and you can persuade him to take a DNA test for you then you >> should be able to discover matches with other males who are also related >> to >> this line. I would suggest that you test intially for Y DNA at a level >> of >> 37 markers with Family Tree DNA. If you look you will find that they >> have >> a >> "SMITH - Official All" surname project with 1598 members already. >> >> If you click on the link that you will find to this if you search for >> SMITH >> on their home page (http://www.familytreedna.com/) then you will be able >> to >> order and pay for a kit at the reduced group rate. However even if his >> father wasn't a SMITH then once you have the results they will be >> compared >> with ALL the results in the database, and they will continue to be >> matched >> as and when any new test matches. >> >> So eventually you should begin to find some relatives and so get a handle >> on >> where they originated. If you find a 37/37 match then you will be able >> to >> upgrade the test to a 67 marker one. >> >> Unfortunately there is no test that you as a female can take yourself to >> do >> this. The only accurate test that you can do is the mitocondrial DNA >> which >> will match you with your direct female line back in time, ie your >> mother's >> mother's mother's mother's mother etc. >> >> I run a DNA Project with FTDNA and have done since 2007 (The ROWBERRY >> Project) and while I am a very satisfied cutomer, I have no other >> connection >> with the company. >> Kind regards >> Polly >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [B&S] DNA testing for Family History >> >> >> I enjoyed reading your message Roy and it had occurred to me about the >> illegitimacy question... >> >> However, my interest is in my elusive Smith family, (nothing to do with >> the >> Bristol list). I've only managed to get back as far as my gt. >> grandparents >> on >> this line. They were probably from Ireland, but as my grandfather was >> born >> at >> sea I don't even have a place to start. Would DNA be able to link me with >> an >> area where I could start researching? I don't seem to be able to get an >> answer >> on this. >> >> Incidentally I've got a connection with Shackleton too - through Percy >> Blackborow who was on the Antarctic voyage with him and who is connected >> to >> my >> Blackborow line. >> >> Jeanette >> >> >> Quoting [email protected]: >> >>> I suspect I am about to make myself unpopular in some quarters, but >>> genealogy is nothing if >>> not controversial now and then. Debate is, after all, the spice of >>> life and of our great hobby. >>> >>> I am afraid I find myself unable to join in with what seems to be the >>> general euphoria about >>> DNA testing. I am, to put it bluntly, yet to be convinced that it is >>> anything other than just >>> another adjunct of genealogy and family history, moreover one that is >>> largely untested, >>> untried and unproven. >>> >>> We are talking about a supposed "science" (if that is the correct >>> term) here that is very much >>> in its infancy and it is my experience that new technologies tend to >>> attract charlatans out to >>> make a fast buck out of gullible beginners! I feel rather the same >>> about DNA testing as I do >>> about those shysters I call "bucket shop genealogists", i.e. those >>> websites and little stalls you >>> see in shopping malls that purport to sell you your "family coat of >>> arms" or a framed "history >>> of your surname", which those of us who have been in this business a >>> very long time know to >>> be utter rubbish. >>> >>> What evidence of any substantive consequence is there that DNA >>> testing can actually prove >>> anything at all? We only have the word of those who are offering it >>> and who, therefore, have >>> a deep vested interest in the whole subject, i.e. in making money out of >>> it. >>> >>> So DNA testing might prove that your ancestor was a Stone Age caveman >>> 20,000 years ago? >>> I seem to recall there was a story a few years back to this effect, >>> i.e. that a teacher in the >>> West Country had been linked by DNA to some pre-historic man whose >>> bones were found in >>> a cave. So what? What does this prove? Does it fill in all the gaps >>> and links in between? Of >>> course it doesn't! >>> >>> Speaking as an "old-timer", a family historian for some 40 years and >>> today a professional >>> genealogist, I am interested only in what can be proven by the >>> time-honoured, tried and >>> tested, old-fashioned methods of documentation and published >>> evidence, backed up by my >>> own researches. Frankly, I do not wish to have my supposed ancestry >>> decided by test tube >>> experiments in a laboratory on my DNA. I prefer my own researches in >>> the archives and my >>> own interpretation of what those findings show. >>> >>> I expect some bright spark in a lab will tell me that as a >>> Yorkshireman from way back I have >>> Viking blood. Well, I think I knew that already. My own researches >>> tell me, backed up by >>> documentary evidence, that I am a (very) distant cousin of Sir Ernest >>> Shackleton, the great >>> Antarctic explorer. Though he was born in Ireland, we both have >>> Shackleton ancestry from >>> Yorkshire and we both descend from a marriage at Keighley in 1581 in >>> Elizabeth times. >>> Frankly, I am far, far, far more interested in this than in knowing >>> via DNA testing that I >>> descend from unknown Vikings in Scandinavia or, even farther back, >>> from a Hottentot tribe in >>> Africa several thousand years ago. >>> >>> I have yet to be convinced of what people get out of DNA testing, >>> other than pure >>> speculation. Has it not occurred also to some of you that the whole >>> thing can be totally thrown >>> by what is known as "non-paternity " issues, i.e. illegitimacy? >>> >>> I rest my case and now await the flying brickbats. Talk about putting >>> a cat amongst the >>> pigeons, Roy.....! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roy Stockdill >>> Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer >>> Famous family trees blog: >>> http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ >>> >>> "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, >>> and that is not being talked about." >>> OSCAR WILDE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >