Hi Jospehine It does look as though Hannah and Harriet Haines are one and the same person. Perhaps Elaine doesn't realise hatters moved around and indeed lots of the Bristol hatters went north to Stockport and Manchester when the trade went into decline in Bristol. Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They >> were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. >> The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow >> Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as >> follows: > >> John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos >> Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos > > Hi Bernice, > > That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer > Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this > suggests that they were the same person. > >> I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George >> church on 1.1.1871 age76. >> There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on >> 3.3.1867 age75. > > The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's > wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. > > The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861 > census. > > In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the > age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. > > The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where > the family was living in 1851. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like Elaine I found some interesting connections between the West country and Liverppool (and also West Midlands. ) Over many years I have been researching my family history and last winter published a book about one branch of that family - a Huguenot branch - Duterrau. At that point I was trying to find out how the line descended through as many as I could trace down to the mid 20th century. . I quote John Simpson Du Terreaux (b.1813, Hanover Sq. London) is a shadowy figure but seems to have been a classic resposible first child of the family. He married Marie French in Cheltenham in September 1838. Marie's father Thomas was described as a Grocer on the marriage cert, but by 1841 she may have been a widow and was living with her 9 month old son Louis/Lewis in Toxteth, (Liverpool) with father Thomas French, mother Mary and brother William. (2 years after her marriage Marie was advertising in the local paper as a Professor of Drawing and Painting in Leamington Spa - they got about! We do not know if her husband was actually alive when she registered the baby's birth in September 1840. We would like to know if he was ill, unlucky, or a rat!) In 1841 Thomas is described as a commission Agent. In 1851 he is described as a Printer born in Bristol. Marie remarried on New Year's Day, 1845 in Toxteth to James Hobbs, a widower and hatter. His father was a miller and hers again a printer. (I have both marriage certs) I cannot find him in the 1841 census. Until his death he,Marie, and briefly their own son, are all described as hatters. Now James was born in Blockley, Worcestershire (1809) where there was a thriving, growing silk business until a tax was imposed on imported silk in 1860 which devastated the trade. He and his family and the Frenches continued for many years in the northwest As a rider to this - if anyone can tell me anything more about Thomas French - born 1781-1786 according to various censuses (I have a possible Christening date of 12 oct 1783, son of Thomas and Nancy French) - nothing more, no church, nor occupation. I would be grateful. Thomas' wife Mary b c 1794 - no more info, or even if anywhere you happen upon the death or other details of John Simpson Du Terreaux - many variant spellings! We have looked for this over many years to no avail. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm > Message du 22/09/12 13:23 > De : "bernice pegler" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > > Hi Jospehine > It does look as though Hannah and Harriet Haines are one and the same > person. > Perhaps Elaine doesn't realise hatters moved around and indeed lots of the > Bristol hatters went north to Stockport and Manchester when the trade went > into decline in Bristol. > Bernice > > > "Josephine Jeremiah" wrote > To: > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler > > wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They > >> were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. > >> The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow > >> Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as > >> follows: > > > >> John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos > >> Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos > > > > Hi Bernice, > > > > That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer > > Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this > > suggests that they were the same person. > > > >> I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George > >> church on 1.1.1871 age76. > >> There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on > >> 3.3.1867 age75. > > > > The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's > > wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. > > > > The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861 > > census. > > > > In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the > > age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. > > > > The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where > > the family was living in 1851. > > > > Josephine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >