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    1. Re: [B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246
    2. elaine westaway

    3. thank you so much for this info. I did see the sail maker John Burt and also another one in Plymouth and wondered if this might be the weaver.  I have not found Samuel's baptism and the nearest one I can find is in Gravesend in Kent but perhaps you can correct me on this.  Also can i have the reference for the census in 1841.   Family legend had John Haines as a sailor but Julia's brother Frederick was a sailor and came to live with Samuel and Julia when not at sea so this might be where the confusion arose.   I do wonder how Samuel and Julia met, the family doesn't have any info on this, but as he was in Yorkshire in 1851 and married in Liverpool in 1855 I wonder if he came south to meet her or if she came north.   Once in the North West the family moved to St Helens and John Edwin and Frederick Arthur Burt (two of the sons of Samuel and Julia) worked in the Pilkington Glass factory. Julia was a milliner and my father in law's mother Edith (who was John Edwin's daugther) learnt to be a milliner from her grandmother and yet they had no knowledge of the family's west country roots.   The only slight nod to their west country roots is that Edith Burt was a sufferer of chronic arthritis and was treated for it at the Minn hospital in bath and we often wondered how she came to be seen there from St Helens.  by coincidence I am a sufferer of Elhers Danlos Syndrome and also go there for treatment. next time we are due to go we will have a long weekend in Bristol as I haven't been there for many years although I do have an uncle in a home in Long Ashton.   As I said before my family also has links to Bristol my uncle being evacuated to Chew Stoke during the war and staying there instead of returning full time to London afterwards.  My great grandmother's family came from Wiveliscombe and many of them lived in Bristol also their surname was Branfield.  My family name being Westaway from Devon we seem to have come back and forth in touch with the city and I did once mention that my gg grandfather's sisters were in the new orphan houses in Bristol after the death of their both of their parents within 18 months of each other. I remember someone on here giving me some really interesting information about this institution and putting my mind at rest about the fate of these little girls, the youngest of whom had entered the new orphan houses at just 3.   Thanks again and any further info you can root out would be very very much appreciated.   Kindest regards to all on the list Elaine Westaway Southampton, Hants. UK ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 8:01 Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246 Today's Topics:   1. Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb       Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) (Josephine Jeremiah)   2. Re: Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol ,    19th C (was Lamb       Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) (bernice pegler)   3. Re: HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol,    1851 (was       BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) (bernice pegler)   4. Locations of Bristol public houses in the 1851 census       (Josephine Jeremiah)   5. Re: HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was       BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) (Josephine Jeremiah) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:16:38 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb     Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the > back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. > I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its  > name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be  > looking in the right place on the internet. Hi Berenice, You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on  Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:43:53 +0100 From: "bernice pegler" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol ,    19th C (was     Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Thanks for that Josephine. I had a hunch a pub would be involved! Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Lamb, Pile Street, Redcliff, Bristol , 19th C (was Lamb Court, St. Mary Redcliffe, Bristol HAINES family) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:28:59 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I've just checked my 1775 Directory of Bristol as it has a section at the >> back listing the courts. It gives Lamb's Court, Pile Street, Redcliff. >> I wondered whether there was a pub nearby called The Lamb that gave its >> name to the court but I can't find a record of it but I may not be >> looking in the right place on the internet. > > Hi Berenice, > > You are right. There was a pub called the Lamb in the vicinity. > > There's a reference to the Lamb, Pile Street on the following page on > Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: > > http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page156.html > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100 From: "bernice pegler" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol,    1851 (was     BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Hi again Josephine I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They were the parents of Julia Haines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool. The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were at The Cottage, Barrow Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as follows: John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George church on 1.1.1871 age76. There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on 3.3.1867 age75. Hope this helps Elaine. Bernice "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> wrote To: <[email protected]> Friday, September 21, 2012 5:31 PM Subject: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:02:19 +0100, elaine westaway > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Julia Haines was born about 1829 and I have her in 1851 with her family >> at 3 Lions Place or Paddock. > > Hi Elaine, > > Lions Place did not look familiar at all to me. I was wondering whether > you meant Bristol or Stroud or somewhere else. > > After some searching, I located it as Sion Place in St. Philip and St. > Jacob, Bristol. > >> Her father is John Haines a journeyman hatter from Strood > > You'd mentioned in your previous message that 'Julia was the daughter of a > sailor'. > > As you'd written that he was a sailor, I'd imagined that he was working on > one of the trows on the Thames & Severn Canal, which passed through > Stroud. > > We've had a lot of correspondence about hatters on this list, in the past, > so perhaps someone can come up with a likely place of work for hatters in > the Stapleton Road/Easton Road area of Bristol. > > Josephine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:05:46 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: [B&S] Locations of Bristol public houses in the 1851 census To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes Hi Listers, Here's a useful web page for anyone looking for the locations of Bristol  public houses in the 1851 census: Place:Bristol Registration District, 1851 Census Street Index P-S http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Bristol_Registration_District,_1851_Census_Street_Index_P-S Scroll down the first column to Public Houses. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:25:54 +0100 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] HAINES in Sion Place, Bristol, 1851 (was     BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 242) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:56:48 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not sure if Elaine knows where her Haines family were in 1861. They  > were the parents of JuliaHaines who married Samuel Burt in Liverpool.  > The spelling has changed to Haynes and they were atThe Cottage, Barrow  > Lane, Barton Hill in the outparish of St Philip & Jacob, Bristol as  > follows: > John Haynes 69 hatter born Stroud, Glos > Hannah Haynes 66 Laundress born Eastington, Glos Hi Bernice, That's interesting. As Hannah Haynes of the 1861 census was no longer  Harriet, as in the 1851 census, but both were born in Eastington, this  suggests that they were the same person. > I mentioned earlier that there was a burial of a John Haines at St George > church on 1.1.1871 age76. > There was also a burial of a Hannah Haines at St George church on  > 3.3.1867 age75. The age at burial of Hannah Haynes ties in with the age of John's  wife,'Harriet' in the 1851 census, which was 59 years. The ages of the couple appear to have been switched around in the 1861  census. In 1851 John was 55 years old and that ties in, 20 years later, with the  age of 75 at the burial of John Haines in 1871. The address of Barrow Lane in 1861 was not very far from Sion Place where  the family was living in 1851. Josephine ------------------------------ To contact the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246 ****************************************************

    09/21/2012 08:22:24
    1. [B&S] BURT Samuel, baptism, Pip 'n' Jay, Bristol, 1825 (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246)
    2. Josephine Jeremiah

    3. On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:22:24 +0100, elaine westaway <[email protected]> wrote: > I have not found Samuel's baptism and the nearest one I can find is in > Gravesend in Kent but perhaps you can correct me on this. Hi Elaine, I gave you the baptism of Samuel BURT on Thursday. Samuel BURT, the son of John and Hester, was baptized on 13th. February 1825 at the church of St. Philip and Jacob, Bristol. Abode was St. Philip and father's occupation was sail-cloth weaver. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 1 to 7 Index & Transcripts 1813-1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

    09/22/2012 11:55:18
    1. [B&S] PLAYER Esther, baptism, Pip 'n' Jay, Bristol, 1791(was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246)
    2. Josephine Jeremiah

    3. On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:22:24 +0100, elaine westaway <[email protected]> wrote: > any further info you can root out would be very very much appreciated. Hi Elaine, Samuel BURT's parents were John BURT and Hester PLAYER who were married on 28th. August 1808 at St. Paul's Church, Portland Square, Bristol. Here's a match for the baptism of Hester: Esther PLAYER, daughter of John and Sarah, was baptized on 3rd. April 1791 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. She was aged 3 years 6 months at the time of her baptism. The names Esther and Hester were often used in records for the same person. Two other daughters of John and Sarah PLAYER were baptized on the same day at the same church. They were Patience, aged 2 years, and Phoebe, an infant. The abode of the PLAYER family at the time of these baptisms was Cheese Lane and father's occupation was weaver. These baptisms are included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Both Hester's father, John PLAYER, and her husband, John BURT, were weavers. Hester and John had a daughter, Phoebe, who was baptized at Pip 'n' Jay in 1827. Their son Samuel BURT had a daughter, Phoebe, who was baptized at the same church in 1858. See previous messages for fuller details of these baptisms. Josephine

    09/22/2012 04:31:46
    1. [B&S] BRANFIELD in B & S archives (was BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 7, Issue 246)
    2. Josephine Jeremiah

    3. On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:22:24 +0100, elaine westaway <[email protected]> wrote: > As I said before my family also has links to Bristol my uncle being > evacuated to Chew Stoke during the war and staying there instead of > returning full time to London afterwards. My great grandmother's family > came from Wiveliscombe and many of them lived in Bristol also their > surname was Branfield. Hi Elaine, Over the years there have been a number of posts on this list concerning the surname BRANFIELD. You can see these posts in the Bristol_and_Somerset archives if you go to the Archives Search Engine for Bristol_and_Somerset http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=Bristol_and_Somerset and put Branfield in the body of the search. Josephine

    09/23/2012 04:05:24