Hi Nivard, Thanks for the info re unburnt records - I am not on Ancestry, but it's good to know they are available. My grt grandfather joined the army in 1892 joining the DCLI in Bristol, and served in the Tirah Campaign in Afghanistan. He did not serve in South African Boer War as far as records show, as he'd left the army by the time he married in Bristol in 1901. He applied for the pension and despite his injuries he was one of those who were ultimately refused. I suppose it was because while he was injured he was not debilitated. Given his experience as the a safety officer (underground), I often wonder whether he worked with the Sappers who tunneled across no-man's land. Edna, if you do get new medal ribbons, do keep the originals. Lisa ----- Original message ----- From: bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:01:32 -0700 Today's Topics: 1. B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 - Thomas Edw Blake 1873-1930 (liverpud) 2. Re: B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords (Mike Fisher) 3. Re: B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords (Nivard Ovington) 4. Re: B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords (Nivard Ovington) 5. Re: B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 - Thomas Edw Blake 1873-1930 (Nivard Ovington) 6. Re: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 (Nivard Ovington) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 13:52:30 -0500 From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> Subject: [B&S] B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 - Thomas Edw Blake 1873-1930 To: "Polly" <polly@rowberry.org>, "Bristol-Somerset List" <Bristol_and_Somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3DCE5958B62F429E9C7B87FA26A5BA5A@Edna> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks Polly. Hope all is well with you. Had a pal look for me and found nothing. As far as I know, he came home in one piece. Might check again just in case... (;-)) Edna - some snowflakes coming down in Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Polly Rubery Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:31 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8,Issue 165 - Thomas Edw Blake 1873-1930 Edna >>Don't want to spend the money on a researcher as I have spent enough already.<< You don't need to spend money on a researcher - all the pension records are on Ancestry and indexed. However only soliders who were left with a disability due to wounds or illness were alloted a pension, although there are somefiles for those who applied but weren't granted a pension. However most soliders sadly didn't qualify. Kind regards Polly ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:41:11 +0000 From: Mike Fisher <mjflists@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <529104D7.6040505@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Polly What happened if the wife of a dead soldier needed to claim a pension for herself or to support a child? Mike On 23/11/2013 18:31, Polly Rubery wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:54:33 +0000 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <529107F9.7000501@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Mike First check PIN82 on the National Archives, there is a 2% sample listed there, then PIN26 These may also be of interest <http://www.1914-1918.net/soldiers/pensionrecords.html> <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierafter1913.htm> And then <http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/about-the-wfa/175-pension-records/2960-great-war-pension-record-cards-and-ledgers-deeper-understanding.html?goback=.gde_3957643_member_227820430> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/11/2013 19:41, Mike Fisher wrote: > Hi Polly > > What happened if the wife of a dead soldier needed to claim a pension > for herself or to support a child? > > Mike ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 20:03:59 +0000 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] B&S]WW1 Pensionrecords To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52910A2F.90303@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi again Given the question I thought you may be interested in the situation that faced my grandmother after the death of her husband 24th November 1918 (the anniversary being tomorrow of course) My grandmother was left a widow with one child, my mother just turned 6 She was awarded a pension as follows Class for pension .. J 20/5 (?1.0.5) Widow ..... 13/9 a week Children .. 6/8 a week ------ Total ........ 20/5 (one pound no shillings & five pennys) The allowance for my mother stopped the day she turned 16 Not much for losing a husband, father and bread winner I think you would agree NB to claim a pension the widow had to supply copies of marriage and birth certificates, if unmarried no pension Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/11/2013 19:41, Mike Fisher wrote: > Hi Polly > > What happened if the wife of a dead soldier needed to claim a pension > for herself or to support a child? > > Mike ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 20:08:15 +0000 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 - Thomas Edw Blake 1873-1930 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52910B2F.4040106@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi again Only a small but salient point The prefix T stood for Horse Transport (not just transport) You can buy replacement ribbon, however I would keep it original if possible You can also buy replica medals if you wanted to have the missing one or you could buy an original that is up for sale A good way to display medals is a framed mount to hang on the wall, there are many varieties Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Lisa, Lovely to hear from you. I have his medal card which states he > recd two medals > the Service and the Victory. I have the service medal with his name on the > perimeter and the T--- > number, which means he was in the Transport. I would love to get the > ribbon replaced as it is a mess. > What I did was retrieve pictures of the two medals and kept them on file. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 20:11:53 +0000 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 165 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52910C09.5030705@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Lisa Ancestry have the loosely titled Pension Records as a separate database to the service records In effect the two databases are (1) the burnt records (WO363), those records that survived the WW2 fire, some whole, some damaged, approximately two thirds were completely destroyed And (2) the unburnt records (WO364) the service records with the pensions and other departments There are some other smaller record sets that survived More here <http://www.greatwar.co.uk/research/military-records/british-soldiers-ww1-service-records.htm> As to the Army Service Corps (later the Royal Army Service Corps) they served all over the world in every field of operations at home and abroad as they supplied the rest of the Army They can be one of the hardest parts of the Army to research as it was such a large organisation For service records for those that served past 1920, including WW2, they will not be passed to the National Archives until 2030 (ie for general release to the public) You can apply for copies but there is a ?30 fee and proof of death etc may be required Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/11/2013 12:33, gene.genie@4email.net wrote: > Hi Edna, > I have just caught up on this, yes if is true that much of the WWI > records were destroyed int he Blitz in WWII. However, I can confirm > that it you are very lucky and your great grandfather applied for his > pension, the records might be at the National Archives in London. > Unfortunately, it's a matter of hiring a researcher or getting a friend > to visit in person. I note you can obtain a copy of his Medal Card > online via the website (Online Records) ------------------------------ To contact the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 8, Issue 170 ****************************************************