----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [B&S] Charles WHITE brick wall, Bristol, 19th C (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, >> father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: > >> I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married >> September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. > > Hi Sandy, > > When you get the 1837 marriage certificate, you should be able to find the > occupation of Charles WHITE, the father of the groom, on it. > > If it was an unusual occupation and the groom's father was still alive at > the time of the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you may be able to track him in > the censuses using his occupation and eliminating all the other Charles > WHITEs in Bristol with different occupations. > > It's a long shot, but, if it was an unusual occupation, you may be able to > track the groom's baptism by looking at some of the baptisms of Charles > WHITEs in Bristol in the early 19th century. > > If I remember correctly, most of the early-19th-century baptisms indexed > by the B & A FHS (i.e. baptisms before 1813) don't give the father's > occupation or address, but from around the middle of August 1773 to the > end of September 1810 occupations and addresses were recorded in the > registers of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > So if your Charles WHITE was baptized in this parish church, as was his > wife, Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, there's a chance that more information > could be found on your WHITE family. > > Josephine Thank you, Josephine. I went and got the marriage certificate and saw the occupation of Charles White, the father of Charles White, was Coachmaker. I went to my Ancestry tree and had already entered that information and had already found his father in the 1841 census. I'd forgotten. : ( The family, without son Charles, was on Somerset Street one page of the census (image 7 of 28) before Elizabeth White and her sister Jane Stratford (image 8 of 28). I'm trying to find anything about the birth or death of Charles White, husband of Elizabeth Sarah Stratford. FreeBMD starts at 1837, just in time for their wedding, which I see multiple times in FamilySearch. By the 1861 census, Elizabeth is listed as a widow. By the way, in the 1871 census in Bedminster, birthplace of Jane Cherry is listed as Bristol, Somerset while her mother and aunt in the same household are listed as Bristol, "Gloster" It appears that there was some disagreement in the family or else they agreed that Jane Elizabeth White was born in a part of Bristol that was in Somerset. Sandy Sheldon Gianni

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:46 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > By the way, in the 1871 census in Bedminster, birthplace of Jane Cherry > is listed as Bristol, Somerset while her mother and aunt in the same > household are listed as Bristol, "Gloster" It appears that there was > some > disagreement in the family or else they agreed that Jane Elizabeth White > was born in a part of Bristol that was in Somerset. Hi Sandy, I think that Bristol, Somerset was recorded as Janes CHERRY's birthplace because her birth, as Jane Elizabeth WHITE, was registered in the September quarter of 1845 in Bedminster and people were still thinking of Bedminster as being in Somerset. Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:46 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Thank you, Josephine. I went and got the marriage certificate and saw > the occupation of CharlesWhite, the father of Charles White, was > Coachmaker. I went to my Ancestry tree and had alreadyentered that > information and had already found his father in the 1841 census. I'd > forgotten. > The family, without son Charles, was on Somerset Street one page of the > census (image 7 of 28)before Elizabeth White and her sister Jane > Stratford (image 8 of 28). > I'm trying to find anything about the birth or death of Charles White, > husband of Elizabeth SarahStratford. Hi Sandy, Who was in the household of the elder Charles WHITE in the 1841 census and what were their ages? Were the people in the household of the elder Charles WHITE born in county or not? This information is important in trying to find the baptism of the younger Charles WHITE because if his mother and any younger siblings were listed in the 1841 census with his father, the elder Charles WHITE, then baptisms for any younger children with father's occupation coachmaker could perhaps be found. These possible baptisms could perhaps lead to the baptism of the younger Charles WHITE, your brickwall, if the WHITE family used the same church or a nearby church for their children's baptisms. Was the elder Charles WHITE recorded as coachmaker in the 1841 census as well as on the 1837 marriage certificate? Josephine