On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:31:44 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but > as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that > people > self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've > been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found > this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more > general > question. Hi Sandy, I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list details of your family. At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your Bristol family. The following baptism could be the baptism of your great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane Elizabeth WHITE: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

I was avoiding putting out partial information because I didn't want to make anyone do research I'd already done. It appears you have searched on my name or something and found my tree or my inquiry on a forum : ) Isn't it scary what we can find out there? Thank you, Josephine. You took it a little further than I've been able to. I was composing a more thorough post but it's so complex. It's much easier if you can look at my tree. Sandy Sheldon Gianni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:31:44 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but >> as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that >> people >> self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've >> been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found >> this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more >> general >> question. > > Hi Sandy, > > I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list > details of your family. > > At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong > ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your > Bristol family. > > The following baptism could be the baptism of your > great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane > Elizabeth WHITE: > > Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was > baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. > Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. > > This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to > 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:26:35 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > I was avoiding putting out partial information because I didn't want to > make anyone do research I'd already done. It appears you have searched > on my > name or something and found my tree or my inquiry on a forum : ) Hi Sandy, I haven't looked at your tree, as I don't have access to family trees, but I did see some information on your STRATFORD family earlier today. It looked like you may not have had any early-19th-century information so I just sent Elizabeth's baptism as I was going to be busy later on in the day. > Thank you, Josephine. You took it a little further than I've been able > to. I was composing a more thorough post but it's so complex. It's not too hard if you have the right resources :-) I'll send a little more earlier information, which may be of interest. Josephine

OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: Jane Elizabeth White born 18 July 1845 in Bristol, Somerset, England to Charles White, a mariner, not found in census but given on her birth record (and written into my baby book) and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford, born about 1810 in Bristol, Somerset, England I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. Jane and her mother can be found in census data in Bristol, some years with Jane's aunt, Jane Sully Stratford, a butcher. Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in St. James, Bristol. There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. Jane Elizabeth White married Frederick Ebenezer Cherry in 1870. He died in 1872 in Bedminster and Jane Cherry left for the USA later that year. Some of Frederick's siblings were already in Erie County, NY, USA where she settled. On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 in Buffalo, NY, USA. I have not found death information for Jane's mother Elizabeth Sarah Stratford White, and next to no information for her father, Charles White. Sandy Sheldon Gianni Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > Hi Sandy, > > I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list > details of your family. > > At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong > ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your > Bristol family. > > The following baptism could be the baptism of your > great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane > Elizabeth WHITE: > > Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was > baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. > Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. > > This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to > 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, Edmund and Elizabeth STRATFORD had another baby, Samuel, baptized on 4th. January 1807 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Age at baptism was 15 weeks. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher, the same as for the baptism of Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Samuel STRATFORD, aged 18 months, was buried on 15th. April 1808 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. This burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, > father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: > I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married > September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. Hi Sandy, When you get the 1837 marriage certificate, you should be able to find the occupation of Charles WHITE, the father of the groom, on it. If it was an unusual occupation and the groom's father was still alive at the time of the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you may be able to track him in the censuses using his occupation and eliminating all the other Charles WHITEs in Bristol with different occupations. It's a long shot, but, if it was an unusual occupation, you may be able to track the groom's baptism by looking at some of the baptisms of Charles WHITEs in Bristol in the early 19th century. If I remember correctly, most of the early-19th-century baptisms indexed by the B & A FHS (i.e. baptisms before 1813) don't give the father's occupation or address, but from around the middle of August 1773 to the end of September 1810 occupations and addresses were recorded in the registers of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. So if your Charles WHITE was baptized in this parish church, as was his wife, Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, there's a chance that more information could be found on your WHITE family. Josephine

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, I looked for a Bristol baptism for Elizabeth SULLY with no result, but a possible match could be that of Betty SULLY as the names Betty and Elizabeth were sometimes used for the same person. Betty SULLY, the daughter of William and Sarah SULLY, was baptized on 26th. January 1772 at St. Stephen's Church, Bristol. Father's occupation was cordwainer and abode was St. Stephen's Lane. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 11 to 14 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk This Betty SULLY could be a possible match for Elizabeth STRATFORD, aged 66, who was buried on 18th. February 1842 at St. Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol. The 1772 baptism of Betty SULLY would indicate that her age would be about 70 if she died in 1842, but ages recorded at death or burial weren't always accurate. Anyway, it's perhaps food for thought even though it may be a long shot. Josephine