On 22/02/2011 10:28, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > I don't know what happened to Sarah Purnell, Maybe this is the first time I ever asked you a question, and you didn't have the answer at your fingertips! :-)) I thought I might have a clue in the marriage of Sarah Purnell to James Windmill in Dec 1844, Clutton 11 131. This couple appear to be in Timsbury in 1851 (HO107/1939 f 59, p18), childless, but Sarah gives her place of birth as Timsbury and if it were the right lady, she is just a little optimistic about her age - reported as 30. James is a year older and, predictably, a coal miner, b Farrington Gurney. Next door is Jacob Windmill and his wife. Sadly the 1861 entry blows a hole in this idea, as they are living with mother-in-law Dianna Purnell, widow, 75, b Holcombe - as well as their 4 children so this must be a differewnt family. Many thanks for the other information you provided on Charles and Harriet's children and grandchildren. Thomas and Sylvia moved to Cwmtillery some time between 1861 and 1871, but they moved several times before that as shown by the birth places of their children - Clutton, Twerton, Clutton again, then Chew Magna. I've made a resolution to follow up on my Purnells this year, so it looks as though I'll be busy. Best wishes, Ian

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:54:44 -0000, Ian Sage <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Maybe this is the first time I ever asked you a question, and you didn't > have the answer at your fingertips! :-)) Hi Ian, I think I may now have the answer to the 1851 whereabouts of Sarah PURNELL, daughter of George and Harriet, who was baptized on on 10th. May 1818 at St. Augustine's Church, Clutton. I couldn't resist the challenge of looking for her so I looked at the FreeBMD marriages of people called Sarah PURNELL in the Clutton/Bath/Bristol area between the start of civil registration and 1851. I used Gordon Beavington's 1851 index of heads of household in Gloucestershire, Bristol, Somerset and Wiltshire and looked at where the possible husbands of these Sarah PURNELLs were living at the time of the 1851 census. I was able to cross off the unlikely ones or the ones with a wife with a different first name. Then I came to Robert BRICE, 33, a shoemaker, born in Wiveliscombe, who was in Cameley in the 1851 census. This looked hopeful. Sure enough, his wife was a Sarah. She was a 32-year-old shoe binder, born in Clutton, who would be a match for Sarah PURNELL who was baptized in Clutton in 1818. I didn't look further than Robert BRICE so this Sarah might not be the one, but I think that there is a good chance that she is. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:54:44 -0000, Ian Sage <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Many thanks for the other information you provided on Charles and > Harriet's children and grandchildren. Thomas and Sylvia moved to > Cwmtillery some time between 1861 and 1871, but they moved several times > before that as shown by the birth places of their children - Clutton, > Twerton, Clutton again, then Chew Magna. > I've made a resolution to follow up on my Purnells this year, so it > looks as though I'll be busy. Hi Ian, In the last couple of days, I've been able to start filling in some of the blanks in my PURNELL notes, too. I'm just looking at David PURNELL, son of Thomas and Sylvia, who was born in Bishop Sutton c. 1860, but I have no notes for him. At the time of the 1871 census Thomas and Sylvia and their family were in Cwmtillery, Monmouthshire. Thomas PURNELL, head, 51, Coal Miner, born Somerset Clutton. Sylvia, wife, 50, born Somerset Clutton. Thomas, son, 16, Coal Miner, born Somerset Bishop Sutton. George, son, 12, born Somerset Bishop Sutton. Henryetta, daughter, 14, born Somerset Bishop Sutton. David, son, Scholar, 10, born Somerset Bishop Sutton. However, I have recently seen what could have been the David above in notes for one of Luke PURNELL's daughters: Augusta PURNELL, daughter of Luke and Jemima PURNELL, was born c.1866 in Trevethin, Monmouthshire. She was the niece of Ian's 2x great-grandmother, Mary PARFITT (nee PURNELL). Augusta may have married David PURNELL, son of Thomas and Sylvia PURNELL, who was her father's first cousin. On FreeBMD, there's a marriage for David PURNELL and Augusta PURNELL in the December quarter in Bedwellty, Monmouthshire. In 1891, David, Augusta and their young family were living at 3 Butlers Lane, Garndiffaith, Monmouthshire. David was a 29-year-old coal miner, while Augusta was 25. The birthplace of David was recorded as Sutton, Gloucestershire, but this could have been Bishop Sutton, Somerset. Augusta's birthplace was Abersychan, Monmouthshire. Children in the household were Stanley James, 4, whose birthplace was recorded as British, Monmouthshire and 1-year-old Florence Mary whose birthplace was Garndiffaith, Monmouthshire. The language of the household was English. I'm assuming that the birthplace of British means the British Works, Abersychan although I believe that the works had closed by the time that Stanley James PURNELL was born. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi Josephine Did you notice that on 6 Sep 1928 David was injured at Cwmtillery Colliery, "pushing a tram when another tram hit him from behind" This from the Coal Mining History Resources site > http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/home/ Thank you also for the confirmation regarding Luke Purnell and Jemima Prior, you added substantially to my information. My Brother in Laws Father George Henry Purnell (1919) is a Gt Grandson of Mark Purnell and Emily Stone. He still lives at Welton and was so delighted when I was able to give him his Family Tree last year. Like so many he only knew of his immediate family. Thank you once again Tony Evans -- Ehara taku toa i te toa takitahi Engari takimano, no aku tupuna; Te mana, te wehi, te tapu me te ihi, I heke mai ki ahau, no aku tupuna. My greatness comes not from me alone It derives from a multitude, from my ancestors; The authority, the awe, and the artistry I inherited these gifts, from my ancestors. Te Maori

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:58:28 -0000, Tony Evans <anthonyevans@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Josephine > > Did you notice that on 6 Sep 1928 David was injured at Cwmtillery > Colliery, "pushing a tram when another tram hit him from behind" > > This from the Coal Mining History Resources site > > http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/home/ Hi Tony, I didn't know about that at all so more information to add to the notes of Somerset-born David PURNELL. Thanks very much for pointing me in this direction. > My Brother in Laws Father George Henry Purnell (1919) is a Gt Grandson > of Mark Purnell and Emily Stone. I've worked it out that your brother-in-law's father is the third cousin of Ian's mother. What a small world we live in! Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:58:28 -0000, Tony Evans <anthonyevans@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Did you notice that on 6 Sep 1928 David was injured at Cwmtillery > Colliery, "pushing a tram when another tram hit him from behind" > > This from the Coal Mining History Resources site > > http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/home/ Hi Tony, Very many thanks for this site. I have just found information on it, which I didn't know before about the death of my 2x great-grandfather, John HANCOCK who had left the Bitton area in Gloucestershire to work in Blaina, Monmouthshire John HANCOCK was accidentally killed in a coal pit in Blaina by a fall of stone. He died on 15th. December 1869 and was buried on 20th. December at St. Peter's Church, Blaina. The death certificate and burial register name him as John HANDCOCK. The inquest on his death was held on 18th. December 1869 and information for the death certificate was received from W.H. BREWER, Coroner for Monmouthshire. The site you've given gives a one day difference in his date of death, but has the proper spelling of John HANCOCK's name and gives his occupation as collier and the cause of death as 'fall of bell from roof in road'. The glossary of mining terms on the following page gives the meaning of a 'bell'. http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Glossary.htm A bell was a large stone with smooth sides, which was shaped like a bell and which could fall from the roof without any warning. This makes me so sad for my 2x great-grandparents as John was only in his mid 20s and Susan, his wife, was heavily pregnant with their first child, who was subsequently born in early January 1870 in Gloucestershire. I didn't know before today that John HANCOCK's place of work was Blaina colliery or that it was owned by Blaina Iron Co. so thank you again for providing the web site, where I found some answers. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com