Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? I know I will probably have to order the certificate but some of the local sites have transcriptions. I am working on a bit of a mystery here. William James HINTON was b. 1842 in Wilton, Wiltshire and his parents were James HINTON and Elizabeth LEE. William James HINTON married Anne GRANT and had three children. He was a carpenter who moved to Kent and can be found on the 1881 Census with his family. After that I think he must have come off the rails. I believe he is the same one who was found dead in the woods in Wilton after 1901. Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! Then, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry has Arthur James Scheaff HINTON in their tree with parents William James HINTON and Maria (Bunting) SCHEAFF. I can't find a marriage of William James HINTON to Maria SCHEAFF although I can find a marriage of Maria SCHEAFF to Alfred BUNTING. The fact that 'SCHEAFF' crops up in the middle name makes me suspicious. Thanks, Susan

On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about > the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? I know I will > probably have to order the certificate but some of the local sites > have transcriptions. > > I am working on a bit of a mystery here. William James HINTON was b. > 1842 in Wilton, Wiltshire and his parents were James HINTON and > Elizabeth LEE. William James HINTON married Anne GRANT and had three > children. He was a carpenter who moved to Kent and can be found on > the 1881 Census with his family. After that I think he must have come > off the rails. I believe he is the same one who was found dead in the > woods in Wilton after 1901. > > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > > Then, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry has Arthur James Scheaff > HINTON in their tree with parents William James HINTON and Maria > (Bunting) SCHEAFF. I can't find a marriage of William James HINTON to > Maria SCHEAFF although I can find a marriage of Maria SCHEAFF to > Alfred BUNTING. The fact that 'SCHEAFF' crops up in the middle name > makes me suspicious. > A weird one indeed! There is only one Arthur James S HINTON at FreeBMD, whose birth was registered at Bedminster in the Sep quarter of 1877. How do you know that his other middle name was Scheaff or Sheaff and how do you know so precisely when and where he was born if you do not have the birth certificate? When posting queries, it is important to give as much detail as possible. A Google search produces an Arthur James Sheaff [sic - no "c" in the name] Hinton MBE who appears in the supplement to the London Gazette of 8 August 1941, stating that he was to be a lieutenant from 11 March 1941 without army pay and allowances. The name appears in the General List and he is not shown as having any previous military rank, nor does any regiment appear. But IF this was the same man - and it's hard to imagine there was more than one Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - he would have been about 63 or 64, which seems extraordinarily old to have been suddenly made a lieutenant in wartime! And when and where and why did he get an MBE? Ancestry's death indexes have TWO entries for the death of Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - one in the surname of Sheaff Hinton and another just as Hinton - in the registration district of Gipping, Suffolk, in the June quarter of 1974 and his DoB is given in both as 17 June 1877, so this was obviously your man and he would then have been around 97. Clearly, a man of mystery! Was he in the Secret Service or something and is there something you're not telling us? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the > birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? Hi Susan, According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and mother was Maria. The third name of the child is spelt Sheaff rather than Scheaff. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi Josephine, You are always a wonderful source of information. Sorry I missed the new familysearch site that Christ Jefferies gave. I probably wasn't paying attention as I haven't been doing much work in Bath and Bristol lately. It is always good to know that the B&S List are there to help you out. Thanks so much for your help. I apologize for spelling the name incorrectly. You are correct, it should be SHEAFF - rather unusual. Susan in snowy Guelph. -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:29 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster, Somerset, England On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the > birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? Hi Susan, According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and mother was Maria. The third name of the child is spelt Sheaff rather than Scheaff. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:56:33 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Josephine, > > You are always a wonderful source of information. Sorry I missed the new > familysearch site that Christ Jefferies gave. I probably wasn't paying > attention as I haven't been doing much work in Bath and Bristol lately. Thanks for your response, Susan. This sighting is all down to Chris, as I wouldn't have known where to look if he hadn't posted the information on the new site. There is always something new to learn so I'm grateful to B & S list members, like Chris, for pointing us in new directions. I found lots of new information on some of my families on this site and I have more searching to do on my other families. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

The other day when Josephine found this baptism for me, the place was Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Today, I took a look and the place is now Knowle, Holy Nativity, Somersetshire, England. Josephine said: "According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and mother was Maria." Can anyone explain why the change from one day to the next, especially since this is less likely to be correct. Thanks, Susan

On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: Snip..... > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > Snip..... Further to my earlier messages, I have now found the marriage of ARTHUR J S HINTON to JANE A BUSBY in the registration district of Eastry, Kent, in the June quarter of 1914 (vol 2A page 2404). How does this relate to the OP's post concerning the marriage of William James Hinton to Sarah Elizabeth Busby? And is this the Arthur James Sceaff Hinton who appears in the 1911 census in Singapore? Probably. Come on, Susan, a couple of us - Josephine and myself - are trying for you but I think we need some more help here! A response to what we have discovered so far would be helpful. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hello Roy and Josephine, Apologies if this is verbose. I do appreciate all the help you are giving me. I just discovered all this two days ago and there seem to be more questions than answers that are popping up. This is what I know about William James HINTON: 1. William James HINTON was born in Jun 1842 in Wiltshire, Wiltshire. He was christened in Wilton by Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. His parents were James HINTON and Elizabeth LEE. James was a shoemaker William married Anne GRANT daughter of Jacob GRANT and Mary Ann on 16 May 1864 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. Anne was born on 14 Oct 1832 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. They had the following children: 2 M i. William George HINTON was born on 03 Mar 1868. He died on 23 Sep 1939. 3 F ii. Agnes Mary HINTON was born on 11 Mar 1871 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. She died in 1887 in London, England. 4 F iii. Winifred Jane HINTON was born on 06 Dec 1875 in Wootten Basset, Wiltshire. Winifred married William Alexander HERMISTON son of William HERMISTON on 31 Dec 1899 in St. Mary, Hornsey Rise, Islington Lnd. William was born about 1873. I can't find him on the 1871 Census but Anne is living with her parents along with the two children. So far, William James HINTON appears to be having a normal family life. On the 1881 Census Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 850; Folio: 96; Page: 36; GSU roll: 1341201, he and his family are living at 5 Courteney Road, Beckenham, Kent. That's when thing start to change. On the 1891 Census Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 739; Folio 69; Page 10; GSU roll: 6095849, he is living in Walmer, Kent with Sarah E, Arthur J S, Walter F HINTON. There are two visitors Emily TURRELL and Arthur TURRELL. One is a nurse and the other a hospital porter. I don't know if that is significant. Meanwhile, on the 1891, Anne HINTON is living in Islington, London with her two children Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 141; Folio 172; Page 35; GSU roll: 6095251. Between 1881 and 1891 the following events occur Births Sep 1887 HINTON Arthur James S Bedminster 5c 641 with mother Maria Births Sep 1889 Walter Frank Cheltenham 6a 415 with mother Sarah? Marriages Sep 1890 BUSBY Sarah Elizabeth Ticehurst 2b 199 On the 1891 Census, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY was born in Nottingham. Hinton William Ticehurst 2b 199 Walter Frank HINTON came to Canada in 1907. He thinks he was born in Kent but he is registered in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. Why was he born there? On his marriage he said that his mother was Sarah GAUSBY. I think there is an error in the last name. Although it looks like Sarah Elizabeth GAUSBY on Walter’s marriage certificate, when I did a search for marriages with those names, nothing turned up. However, when I searched for William HINTON with first name of bride as Sarah Elizabeth, what turned up was Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY. Source Information:Ancestry.com and Genealogical Research Library (Brampton, Ontario, Canada). Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1926 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. I cannot find Sarah Elizabeth HINTON on the 1901 Census. William James HINTON is living in a flop house in Wilton Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1954; Folio: 92; Page: 19. I believe I've found Walter Frank HINTON living as an orphan in Bristol Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2365; Folio: 61; Page: 12. although the age is a bit off. Arthur James HINTON may be the on registered in the Victoria Barracks Windsor Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1169; Folio: 130; Page: 35. - not positive on either of these though. Connection between Jane Anne BUSBY and Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY? I don't know at this point. The former was born in Warwickshire and the latter in Nottinghamshire. As for the marriage of William James GEORGE to Maria BUNTING SHEAFF Marriages Dec 1883 BUNTING Maria Nottingham 7b 392 GEORGE William James Nottingham 7b 392 I had instances before when people have given the wrong name, not just the wrong spelling, on a certificate. This sounds suspicious. If this is really our William James HINTON, he must have given the wrong name. It is correct on the GRO. It must be the same father if that is the name on the birth of Alfred James Sheaff HINTON and the mother is Maria. What other conclusion? I've contacted the Swindon & Wiltshire Records Office to see if they can find a record of the inquest of William HINTON found dead in the woods in Wilton. The OP doesn't appear to know anything about Walter Frank HINTON only Alfred James Sheaff HINTON. Interesting that he married Jane Ann BUSBY in Kent. I don't have access to the 1911 Census. I'm waiting till Ancestry get it because it is costly on FindMyPast. In conclusion, I think William James HINTON was having a major mid life crisis. Nothing like a good mystery, is there? I must say that I have not found a situation so complex since I started genealogy in 2002. Stay tuned. Thanks again for your help. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Roy Stockdill Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:58 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster,Somerset, England On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: Snip..... > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > Snip..... Further to my earlier messages, I have now found the marriage of ARTHUR J S HINTON to JANE A BUSBY in the registration district of Eastry, Kent, in the June quarter of 1914 (vol 2A page 2404). How does this relate to the OP's post concerning the marriage of William James Hinton to Sarah Elizabeth Busby? And is this the Arthur James Sceaff Hinton who appears in the 1911 census in Singapore? Probably. Come on, Susan, a couple of us - Josephine and myself - are trying for you but I think we need some more help here! A response to what we have discovered so far would be helpful. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message