Thanks to all the assistance of the wonderful researchers on the B & D and B & S over the past week. I have received a great deal of data re: my TOWNSEND ancestors. My g grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND, was the son of David TOWNSEND Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. He was born in Bitton. Parents were Samuel and Sarah nee BRAIN TOWNSEND. Samuel on various census was listed as wheelwright and coach maker. Per the 1851 census he was a widower, living on Cock Road, Oldland. His granddaughters Sarah TOWNSEND age 11, and Mary TOWNSEND age 7 were living with him. I believe that my g g grandfather David TOWNSEND was married twice. The first marriage was to Hannah PEACOCK who may have expired about 1848. It is from this marriage that my great grandfather and his brother William were issue. Fredrick (possible middle name John) was born in 1840 and Wm. in 1845. The 1861 census has Wm. born in Monmouthshire Wales. I can find no census record for my great grandfather. By 1861 he was a seaman living in Limerick City, County Limerick Ireland. Two civil records exist in Ireland; his marriage in 1862 to my g grandmother Honora DALY and the birth of their daughter Helen Mary (known as Ellen) in 1864. The couple emigrated to USA/Cleveland OH in 1867/1868. The second marriage was before the 1851 census which shows David TOWNSEND with a wife Eliza but no children are mentioned. The 1861 census has 2 daughters; Alice born 1857, Louisa born 1859 and his son Wm. born 1845. Eliza is listed as his wife. Both David and Wm, are listed as coach makers. Have no data on Hannah PEACOCK except the marriage. Her death and children of this marriage, birth or baptisms (Fredrick & Wm.) No data on wife #2 Eliza or the daughters of this marriage. No dates of death for any of these people. I should think that there would be some record, somewhere for the births/baptisms for Fredrick & William. Oral history had my g grandfather as welsh/English and Protestant. No particular denomination mentioned. He could afford after emigration in 1867/1868 to purchase part ownerships in Great Lakes schooners. Sadly he died at age 35 on 29 November 1875 when his schooner was wrecked by a November gale on Lake Erie. He left 5 children and his wife expecting a 6th, Also, he was making investments in land at this time. Again oral history has him as a deserter from the Royal Navy but Kew has to know the name of the vessel which we do not. He also could have been a merchant seaman too. Any avenues or suggestions will be much appreciated. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > My g grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND, was the son of David TOWNSEND > Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. Hi Mary Ellen, Welcome to the list:-) I think that the Portland Terrace, where David TOWNSEND lived in 1861, could have been Portland Terrace, Wilder Street, Bristol. David TOWNSEND was a coach builder. He could have been employed by coach builder, Charles LOVELESS, who was in Wilder Street in 1861 or he could have worked for the coach builders in nearby Stokes Croft. In 1861, they were J. SKINNER, 36 Stokes Croft, J. PERRY & Sons, 61 Stokes Croft and J. RUSSELL, 78 Stokes Croft. You'll find the location of Wilder Street and Stokes Croft on the 1910 map of Bristol on the following web page: http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm Wilder Street stretches across G1 and G2 Stokes Croft stretches across F1 and F2 Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > David TOWNSEND Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. He was born in > Bitton. Parents were Samuel and Sarah Hi Mary Ellen, Samuel TOWNSEND, son of William and Mary, was baptized on 22nd. August 1784 at Bitton. A match for his parents could be William TOWNSEND and Mary PETTIGROVE or PETTIGROVES, who were married on 2nd. February 1766 at Bitton. Mary TOWNSEND, aged 78, of Cock Road was buried on 26th. November 1820 at Bitton As you know, widower, Samuel TOWNSEND, 66, was living at Cock Road, Oldland at the time of the 1851 census. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > David TOWNSEND Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. He was born in > Bitton. Parents were Samuel and Sarah Hi Mary Ellen, There are TOWNSEND burials at Bitton and Holy Trinity, Kingswood on the South Gloucestershire Burial Index. You can see the details on the following web page: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burialindex/burialstow.htm Some of these TOWNSENDs may belong to your family. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > I believe that my g g grandfather David TOWNSEND was married twice. The > first marriage was to Hannah PEACOCK who may have expired about 1848. > It is from this marriage that my great grandfather and his brother > William were issue. Fredrick> (possible middle name John) was born in > 1840 and Wm. in 1845. Hi Mary Ellen, If you are going to trace the PEACOCK family, too, you may find the PEACOCK page on the South Gloucestershire Burial Index useful. Here it is: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burialindex/burialspeac.htm Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > The second marriage was before the 1851 census which shows David > TOWNSEND with a wife Eliza but no children are mentioned. The 1861 > census has 2 daughters Alice born 1857, Louisa born 1859 and his son Wm. > born 1845. Eliza is listed as> his wife. Both David and Wm, are listed > as coach makers. Hi Mary Ellen, FreeBMD has a marriage registration in Bristol for David TOWNSEND in the June quarter of 1851. Eliza GRIFFITHS is recorded among the possible brides. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ The 1851 census took place on 30th. March 1851 so if this is the couple, they were married after the census and between the beginning of April and the end of June of that year. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
Josephine~ That may be the correct 2nd wife. I base this on the fact that on my g grandmother's death certificate in 1913, someone gave that surname as her father's surname. This, of course was incorrect but no one bothered to change it. Her parents were Thomas and Margaret nee FITZPATRICK DALY. That surname must have come up in family conversations back in the day. Whomever furnished the information must have thought it was HER parent's surname, did not connect it with her husband's family. You know, thank you just does not seem enough for all you have found for me! Mary Ellen ----- Original Message ---- From: Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 2:17:17 PM! Subject: [B&S] Marriage registration for David TOWNSEND, Bristol, 1851 (TOWNSEND Family) On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > The second marriage was before the 1851 census which shows David > TOWNSEND with a wife Eliza but no children are mentioned. The 1861 > census has 2 daughters Alice born 1857, Louisa born 1859 and his son Wm. > born 1845. Eliza is listed as> his wife. Both David and Wm, are listed > as coach makers. Hi Mary Ellen, FreeBMD has a marriage registration in Bristol for David TOWNSEND in the June quarter of 1851. Eliza GRIFFITHS is recorded among the possible brides. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ The 1851 census took place on 30th. March 1851 so if this is the couple, they were married after the census and between the beginning of April and the end of June of that year. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > I believe that my g g grandfather David TOWNSEND was married twice. The > first marriage was to Hannah PEACOCK who may have expired about 1848. > It is from this marriage that my great grandfather and his brother > William were issue. Fredrick (possible middle name John) was born in > 1840 and Wm. in 1845. > Have no data on Hannah PEACOCK except the marriage. Her death and > children of this marriage, birth or baptisms (Fredrick & Wm.) Hi Mary Ellen, In my previous message, I mentioned that there were three children in the household of David and Hannah TOWNSEND at the time of the 1841 census, Abigail, 5, Zachariah, 3, and Mary 3 months. I've now found that Zachariah TOWNSEND, aged 6, of The Batch, was buried on 17th. March 1844 at Bitton. Abigail may have died young, too, as there is a death registration on FreeBMD for an Abigail TOWNSEND in Clifton in the September quarter of 1849. Previously, I mentioned that there was a death registration for a Hannah TOWNSEND in Clifton in the September quarter of 1849. As the death registrations are in the September quarter of 1849, it's possible that they may have been victims of cholera. Of course, this Abigail TOWNSEND and Hannah TOWNSEND may not belong to your family, but it's a case of leaving no stone unturned. Cholera struck Bristol in 1849 and this epidemic lasted from June to October with 444 people dead. After this there were reforms concerning sanitary state of the city. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > Any avenues or suggestions will be much appreciated. Hi Mary Ellen, Bernice has drawn my attention to the Gloucester Archives and information about George TOWNSEND, a collier of Bitton, who was in Gloucester Gaol in 1844. You'll find the reference if you go to this web page: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx and put Townsend George into the search. When the next page comes up with a number of men by this name, click on the 1844 Townsend and the details will come up. Bernice also mentioned a James TOWNSEND of Bristol who was in Gloucester Gaol in 1863, a reference to whom you'll also find if you put Townsend James into the search. They may not belong to your family, but it's another search avenue and it may be of use to other listers, too. Thanks Bernice, for pointing us in this direction. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > I believe that my g g grandfather David TOWNSEND was married twice. The > first marriage was to Hannah PEACOCK who may have expired about 1848. Hi Mary Ellen, If the TOWNSEND family was back in Bristol in the late 1840s, then one of the two women called Hannah TOWNSEND, whose deaths were registered in Clifton, could be a match for the first wife of David TOWNSEND. The death of one Hannah TOWNSEND was registered in the March quarter of 1848 and the death of the other Hannah was registered in the September quarter of 1849. You'll find the details of these death registrations on FreeBMD: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > David TOWNSEND Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. He was born in > Bitton. Parents were Samuel and Sarah nee BRAIN TOWNSEND. Hi Mary Ellen, If the marriage of Samuel TOWNSEND and Sarah BRAIN, which took place, by banns, on 19th. July 1807 at St. Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol is the correct one, the baptism of a Sarah BRAIN would take you a generation further back. Sarah TOWNSEND, aged 66, of Cock Rd was buried on 13th. October 1850 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood so, if her age at death was right, she was born c. 1784. Possible matches could be Sarah BRAIN, aged 1 year, daughter of Samuel and Amy, who was baptized on 16th. January 1785 at Hanham or Sarah BRAIN, daughter of William and Hester, who was baptized on 4th. June 1786 at Hanham. These baptisms are included in the B & A FHS Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk However, it's also possible that neither of these baptisms is the right one. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > I believe that my g g grandfather David TOWNSEND was married twice. The > first marriage was to Hannah PEACOCK who may have expired about 1848. > It is from this marriage that my great grandfather and his brother > William were issue. Fredrick (possible middle name John) was born in > 1840 and Wm. in 1845. > Have no data on Hannah PEACOCK except the marriage. Her death and > children of this marriage, birth or baptisms (Fredrick & Wm.) Hi Mary Ellen, I have a surprise for you. It looks like David and Hannah TOWNSEND had at least three other children. At the time of the 1841 census, they were living at Warmley Hill, Oldland. Both Hannah and David were recorded as being 25 and the children in their household were Abigail, 5, Zachariah, 3, and Mary 3 months. All were born in the county of Gloucestershire. The occupation of David TOWNSEND was wheelwright. Abigail was born before civil registration, but FreeBMD has the birth registration of Zachariah TOWNSEND at Keynsham in the March quarter of 1838. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > My g grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND, was the son of David TOWNSEND > Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. > The 1861 census has 2 daughters; Alice born 1857, Louisa born 1859 and > his son Wm. born 1845. Eliza is listed as his wife. Both David and Wm, > are listed as coach makers. Hi Mary Ellen, In a previous message, I noted that FreeBMD has a marriage registration in Bristol for David TOWNSEND in the June quarter of 1851 and that Eliza GRIFFITHS is recorded among the possible brides. On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 you wrote: > That may be the correct 2nd wife. I base this on the fact that on my g > grandmother's deathcertificate in 1913, someone gave that surname as her > father's surname. This, of course wasincorrect but no one bothered to > change it. I have been mulling this over for some days and I am beginning to think that the real surname of your great-grandfather could have been GRIFFITHS rather than TOWNSEND as he could have been Eliza's son rather than David's. The marriage certificate of David TOWNSEND and Eliza GRIFFITHS (if this is the correct wife from FreeBMD) could tell you if she was a widow before she married David. It could also tell you her father's name and occupation. I say 'could', because if she was illegitimate her father's name might not be recorded on the certificate. If you knew her father's name and occupation, you might be able to trace this side of the family in the 1841 census. As you think that your great-grandfather, Frederick John, was born c. 1840, you might find him and Eliza under the surname GRIFFITHS in the 1841 census. I am writing this because at the time of the 1841 census, wheelwright, David TOWNSEND, his first wife and children were living at Warmley Hill, Oldland. Both Hannah and David were recorded as being 25 and the children in their household were Abigail, 5, Zachariah, 3, and Mary 3 months. There was no mention of a son John born c.1840. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com