On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:01:43 -0000, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > An excerpt from Family Tree Magazine article in Christmas 2013 issue by > Diane Lindsay: Hi Edna and Listers, The excerpt, which Edna posted included the words 'to be part of a pattern, an unceasing patchwork of life ...'. Just looking at some ridge and furrow fields earlier today, I felt they were part of a pattern of life. I thought of the people who had tilled the soil and made the ridges and furrows hundreds of years ago. Then I thought of how in a few months time there will be masses of cowslips growing on the ridges and furrows. This reminded me of my grandmother making cowslip wine when she was a young woman. Thinking of my grandmother, I realized that she and my grandfather were married 100 years ago this month. I have 'an unceasing patchwork' of thoughts of my ancestors in my mind. Josephine

I always remember the passage from "How Green Was My Valley" with similar sentiments: "I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me, those who are to come. I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers, and in front, to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their eyes were my eyes.   As I felt, so they had felt, and were to feel, as then, so now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long line that had no beginning, and no end, and the hand of his father grasped my father's hand, and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right hand, and all, up and down the line that stretched from Time That Was, to Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and we found that we were one . . . "   written by Richard Llewellyn How Green Was My Valley   Best Wishes, Susan On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:16:06 PM, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: I agree. I used to feel very sad, thinking about those of my relatives who had passed away because I missed them. I still do, of course, but my family history 'hobby' (obsession) gradually revealed the bigger picture - that not only did many come before me but also many will come after me; what gives me the greatest pleasure is to be the chronicler of our many lives :-) Happy New Year! Karen > From: liverpud-49@rogers.com > To: Bristol_and_Somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:01:43 -0500 > Subject: [B&S] Well said... from Family Tree Magazine Christmas 2013 > > > An excerpt from Family Tree Magazine article in Christmas 2013 issue by Diane Lindsay: > > "It's hard for the non-family historian to understand our hobby is a celebration of all our ancestors and that rather than piling the weight of mortality on our shoulders, it mostly makes us feel glad to be alive, to be part of a pattern, an unceasing patchwork of life, love and loss.  For me, acceptance that you can't have one without the other brings comfort and understanding of where we fit into The Great Scheme of Things". > > Well said. > > Edna - Ottawa >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An excerpt from Family Tree Magazine article in Christmas 2013 issue by Diane Lindsay: "It's hard for the non-family historian to understand our hobby is a celebration of all our ancestors and that rather than piling the weight of mortality on our shoulders, it mostly makes us feel glad to be alive, to be part of a pattern, an unceasing patchwork of life, love and loss. For me, acceptance that you can't have one without the other brings comfort and understanding of where we fit into The Great Scheme of Things". Well said. Edna - Ottawa

Hi Listers, Anyone with family links to quarrying in the Mendips may be interested in this article in the Frome Standard: Help dig into the past of quarrying heritage in the Mendips http://www.fromestandard.co.uk/Help-dig-past-quarrying-heritage-Mendips/story-20389689-detail/story.html Josephine

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 22:33:14 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Firstly, thank you Josephine for the christening details. I have tried > searching on variations of spelling. The problem is that once he > becomes separated from known family members it is difficult to know > whether he is the right person on not. It is extremely frustrating not > to be able to find him but I suppose that I can console myself with the > fact that, due to help of Listers in the past, I have filled in many > gaps for the rest of his family. I will keep trying and who knows? One > day I may be able to find him. Hi Millie, Yes, keep trying and one day you may well find answers as so much more information is becoming available. Recently, I found the 1893 baptism of my grandfather on FamilySearch. He was the grandson of the Charlotte HARRIS (nee NORMAN formerly BAKER), whom I mentioned in my previous post. For years I didn't think he'd been baptized as his baptism wasn't in the local parish church, but then I found it in a church nearby and also the baptism of his younger half-sister. So the answers may be out there, even though it may take years to find them! Josephine

Hello Josephine, Tony, and Nivard Firstly, thank you Josephine for the christening details. I have tried searching on variations of spelling. The problem is that once he becomes separated from known family members it is difficult to know whether he is the right person on not. It is extremely frustrating not to be able to find him but I suppose that I can console myself with the fact that, due to help of Listers in the past, I have filled in many gaps for the rest of his family. I will keep trying and who knows? One day I may be able to find him. Thank you all Regards Millie

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 21:15:25 -0000, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > If someone does not want to be found it was very easy to seemingly > disappear Hi Millie, Nivard and Listers, Years ago, I had an elusive HARRIS family, too. I searched and searched for them in the 1881 census with no luck. That was in the days when when I looked up names in the 1881 census on microfiche so the process wasn't as easy as it is today. Then, when I was doing a look up for a surname beginning with H, for someone else, I found my family under the surname HARRY in a place where I would not have thought to look -- Treorchy in the Rhondda Valley in Glamorgan. Even though the birthplace of my 2x great-grandmother, Charlotte HARRIS (nee NORMAN formerly BAKER), was recorded as Glamorgan, rather than Bristol, I knew it was her and her family. So Emmanuel HARRIS could be in the later censuses under a name with a slightly different spelling. Besides HARRY, I've also found the spelling of HARRIES for my HARRIS family on various documents. A long shot could be that HARRIS could have been written down as ARRIS. One of my HASKINS family went to Wales and was recorded as ASKINS! Josephine

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 16:48:57 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > EM(M)ANUEL HARRIS > Born : 1833 according to his marriage certificate and Christening > Records on LDS Family Search > Christened : 27th October 1833 – Holy Trinity, Bristol or St. Philip and > St. Jacob, Bristol (two entries appear) > Parents : William and Ann Harris Hi Millie, I looked in the B & A FHS Bristol Diocese baptisms for 1813-1837 and found only one entry in 1833 for the baptism of Emmanuel HARRIS, son of William and Ann. This baptism took place at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol on 27th. October 1833. Abode was Lower Castle Street and father's occupation was turner. Josephine

Hi again If someone does not want to be found it was very easy to seemingly disappear I have precisely the same problem with my great grandfather, he is in the 1871 census "helps" my great grandmother produce my grandfather He is not named on the birth or baptism but my grandfather is given his surname as a middle name as was the practice In later years he had contact with an uncle, younger brother of his father, he talks "of the manner of his fathers death" (but sadly not where or when) His father seems to disappear from the point of conception onwards I feel sure he legged it and changed his name, went abroad perhaps There was little need for a chain of identity as there is today Once you assume a name change (which is not illegal unless to deceive) a person can carry on living in much the same way as they did previously I hope you have better luck than I have with my missing g.grandfather Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/01/2014 18:13, MillieB&D wrote: > Yes, that is a possibility. However, if Emmanuel was not dead where was he > hiding?!!! > Millie

Yes, that is a possibility. However, if Emmanuel was not dead where was he hiding?!!! Millie -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 5:32 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Fw: New year S+R - Emmanuel Harris Hi Tony & Millie She may have bluffed her way by saying she was a widow but having a presumption of death was not automatic or easy, it took a court order, I have yet to find a single case where this happened for anyone other than the very rich, who wanted to prove ownership of assets or similar reason Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/01/2014 17:13, Tony Harrison wrote: > Hi Millie > Just a thought could he have deserted Susan again after the birth of Alice > after 7 years she could have had him presumed dead allowing her to wed as > a > widow. > Tony > > > My apologies. I should have added that Susan Harris remarried in 1870 to > James Hale. On her marriage Certificate she described herself as Widow. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6965 - Release Date: 12/31/13

Hi Tony & Millie She may have bluffed her way by saying she was a widow but having a presumption of death was not automatic or easy, it took a court order, I have yet to find a single case where this happened for anyone other than the very rich, who wanted to prove ownership of assets or similar reason Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/01/2014 17:13, Tony Harrison wrote: > Hi Millie > Just a thought could he have deserted Susan again after the birth of Alice > after 7 years she could have had him presumed dead allowing her to wed as a > widow. > Tony > > > My apologies. I should have added that Susan Harris remarried in 1870 to > James Hale. On her marriage Certificate she described herself as Widow.

Hi Millie Just a thought could he have deserted Susan again after the birth of Alice after 7 years she could have had him presumed dead allowing her to wed as a widow. Tony -----Original Message----- From: MillieB&D Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 5:00 PM To: bristol_and_somerset Subject: [B&S] Fw: New year S+R - Emmanuel Harris My apologies. I should have added that Susan Harris remarried in 1870 to James Hale. On her marriage Certificate she described herself as Widow. From: MillieB&D Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 4:47 PM To: bristol_and_district Subject: New year S+R - Emmanuel Harris Thanks for that suggestion Charani. My mystery man is Emanuel Harris. The following is what I know of him, but what happened to him after the 1861 Census is a mystery. If anyone can shed any light I will be extremely grateful.

My apologies. I should have added that Susan Harris remarried in 1870 to James Hale. On her marriage Certificate she described herself as Widow. From: MillieB&D Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 4:47 PM To: bristol_and_district Subject: New year S+R - Emmanuel Harris Thanks for that suggestion Charani. My mystery man is Emanuel Harris. The following is what I know of him, but what happened to him after the 1861 Census is a mystery. If anyone can shed any light I will be extremely grateful. EM(M)ANUEL HARRIS Born : 1833 according to his marriage certificate and Christening Records on LDS Family Search Christened : 27th October 1833 – Holy Trinity, Bristol or St. Philip and St. Jacob, Bristol (two entries appear) Parents : William and Ann Harris Marriage : 22nd October 1854 at The Parish Church, Bedminster age 21 years, Carpenter Bride: Susan Sheppard, Age 21 years, Spinster – both of Parsons Row? His Father, William Harris, Gentleman Her Father : John Sheppard, Mason Witnesses : William Harris : William Henry ?Moore? On the birth certificate of their daughter, Alice Harris, his occupation was given as Journeyman Carpenter Census Records 1841 – Emanuel Harris Age 9 Born in this County : Address Earls Mead Court (Pennywell Road), Bristol 1851 – Emanuel Harris Age 17 Born Bristol, Shoemaker : Address Albion Cottage, Pennywell Road, Bristol 1861 – Emanuel Harris Age 27 Born Bristol, Carpenter and Joiner : Address Waterloo Street, Bristol There was a report in The Bristol Mercury dated 1st Jan 1859 that may relate to him: “Emanuel Harris, a carpenter, was brought up under a warrant charged with deserting his wife and family and leaving them chargeable to the parish of St.Philip and Jacob. The prisoner was first apprehended in December and on his undertaking to allow his wife 10/- a week, the case was ordered to stand over for a fortnight. Since then he had only let her have 8/6d, which was wholly inadequate to support herself and two children. the wife, a very good looking and respectably-dressed person, adduced evidence to show that he was keeping another woman, and the magistrates committed him for a month of hard labour”. According to the 1861 Census he was living with his wife, Susan Harris, born in Mangotsfield, and their three year old daughter Ann, who was born in Cardiff. A further daughter, Alice Harris – my great grandmother – was born on 6th March 1862. There is a death recorded for Emanuel Harris in Stow on the Wold in 1864 . I applied for the death certificate, but it was the wrong person. I thought that Emanuel Harris was a name different enough to track down. However, there do seem to be other men around at the same time with that name. Can anyone help? Kind Regards Millie

From: MillieB&D Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 4:47 PM To: bristol_and_district Subject: New year S+R - Emmanuel Harris Thanks for that suggestion Charani. My mystery man is Emanuel Harris. The following is what I know of him, but what happened to him after the 1861 Census is a mystery. If anyone can shed any light I will be extremely grateful. EM(M)ANUEL HARRIS Born : 1833 according to his marriage certificate and Christening Records on LDS Family Search Christened : 27th October 1833 – Holy Trinity, Bristol or St. Philip and St. Jacob, Bristol (two entries appear) Parents : William and Ann Harris Marriage : 22nd October 1854 at The Parish Church, Bedminster age 21 years, Carpenter Bride: Susan Sheppard, Age 21 years, Spinster – both of Parsons Row? His Father, William Harris, Gentleman Her Father : John Sheppard, Mason Witnesses : William Harris : William Henry ?Moore? On the birth certificate of their daughter, Alice Harris, his occupation was given as Journeyman Carpenter Census Records 1841 – Emanuel Harris Age 9 Born in this County : Address Earls Mead Court (Pennywell Road), Bristol 1851 – Emanuel Harris Age 17 Born Bristol, Shoemaker : Address Albion Cottage, Pennywell Road, Bristol 1861 – Emanuel Harris Age 27 Born Bristol, Carpenter and Joiner : Address Waterloo Street, Bristol There was a report in The Bristol Mercury dated 1st Jan 1859 that may relate to him: “Emanuel Harris, a carpenter, was brought up under a warrant charged with deserting his wife and family and leaving them chargeable to the parish of St.Philip and Jacob. The prisoner was first apprehended in December and on his undertaking to allow his wife 10/- a week, the case was ordered to stand over for a fortnight. Since then he had only let her have 8/6d, which was wholly inadequate to support herself and two children. the wife, a very good looking and respectably-dressed person, adduced evidence to show that he was keeping another woman, and the magistrates committed him for a month of hard labour”. According to the 1861 Census he was living with his wife, Susan Harris, born in Mangotsfield, and their three year old daughter Ann, who was born in Cardiff. A further daughter, Alice Harris – my great grandmother – was born on 6th March 1862. There is a death recorded for Emanuel Harris in Stow on the Wold in 1864 . I applied for the death certificate, but it was the wrong person. I thought that Emanuel Harris was a name different enough to track down. However, there do seem to be other men around at the same time with that name. Can anyone help? Kind Regards Millie

Hi Listers, This BBC article may be of interest to some list members: City facts: What inspires your civic pride? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25565585 Bristol is one of 15 English cities mentioned in this article. So, what interesting facts about Bristol should people know? There is an e-mail address in the article to which information can be sent. Josephine

There is no Taunton in Devon that I am aware of so she must be from Taunton in Somerset Found in Exeter Cemetery Internments Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser (Exeter, England), Saturday, April 14, 1900; Issue 10217. Mary Ann CARTER, Apr 12th, Taunton, 59 Bev Happy new Year to all, may it be a healthy and happy one, and lots of new branches.

Hi Listers, Here's an article featuring the most popular baby names in Bristol for 2013, which may be of interest to some list members: Jack and Amelia are most popular baby names in Bristol for 2013 http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Jack-Amelia-popular-baby-names-Bristol-2013/story-20371969-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi Listers, The following may be of interest to anyone who lives in the Wells area: Wells and Mendip Museum call for volunteers http://www.wellsjournal.co.uk/Wells-Mendip-Museum-volunteers/story-20372520-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi Listers, This BBC article may be of interest to music lovers: Exmoor Christmas carols revived by charity http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-25091305 Josephine

And to you, the same. The wonderful people on this list helped me to piece together a story of which I once knew nothing except the most recent chapters! Cindy (in equally sunny, slightly snowy and frigid PA, USA) ________________________________________ From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of liverpud [liverpud-49@rogers.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:15 AM To: Bristol-Somerset List Subject: [B&S] Merry Christmas and a Healthy New Year & Happy Holidays To all the wonderful volunteers, administrators and friends I have made on these lists, I would not have got this far in my family history. Thank you so much, Edna - snowy, icy, sunny Ottawa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com ______________________________________________________________________