On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:28:08 -0000, Paul le Roux <paultjie@mweb.co.za> wrote: > Your efforts are appreciated around the globe. Last year you forwarded > me some invaluable information on my Bristol ancestors for which I will > be > eternally grateful. Hi Paul, Thank you for your kind words. If you have any new information on the families of your John GEARY and Hannah NOBLE, who were married at St. Paul's Church, Portland Square, Bristol in 1827, let the list know and perhaps some further information can be found. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:27:10 -0000, Jean Wood <jeangrahame@live.fr> wrote: > How I feel for you! > I have just returned from a day in town - very wet and miserable - to > find a huge amount of email on this one subject. Oh, how I understand. > My slap-backs have been mainly in other fields and yes, IT HURTS! I can > give you a recent example. Hi Jean, Thanks for your kind words. You are right it does hurt and not for just the fact that there was no reply, but the fact that my correspondent was annoyed with me for 'checking' ancestors on the internet and had decided not to contact me any more. Your recent example is very interesting. I put myself in your place and feel the shock and horror you must have felt. > What has this to do with your case? Well. I was close to tears and also > a bit afraid of continuing. Like you said, we could stop doing it. But > equally like you and your impeccable research, we are good at it. We > just have to develop a thicker skin and try not to change what obviously > works so well. I'm sorry to say that I gave in to tears for a day and a night. There's a flicker of a smile on my face now for being so silly. This morning, though, with a dodgy computer and another family of people I wanted to research for a new correspondent just getting into family history research, I questioned whether I should continue. > As for the computer - I notice that some on the list have offered - but > do you also have a friendly local specialist who might be able to give > it a good going over? And now I am smiling because I do have a specialist on hand -- my Ian, the Long Suffering Spouse, who was once an IT specialist, himself! He has tried everything he can think of and now thinks he has to replace the hard drive. > Happy New Year, here they say "Et surtout la sante" (and above all good > health) Thank you and a Happy New Year to you, too, or Blwyddyn Newydd Dda as it's said in Wales. Josephine

Keep a little list and also put anyone who is not kind or thankful, onto a Block listing. he person who is kindly giving the information is not the problem. It surely works for me. Edna - frigid Ottawa

Hello Jean Thank you for your comments. It is comforting to know that other ‘lost’ ancestors have eventually been found. It gives me hope that one day I will strike lucky. Regards Millie

Maybe it is a simple name change Emmanuel→Edward →Manny→any other name beginning with E or a total change. I had a MILLNER who changed to MILLER. A single letter dropped made him go from fairly easy to trace to difficult. Always known within the family. He did that quite deliberately for some reason. (a grumpy old man!) It made his death very difficult to find but we did. Then again, if he died away from known relatives, he may be one of those listed but anonymous deaths. Or he emigrated, joined the navy, got involved in a brawl - ??? Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > From: millie@reallyhelpful.info > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:55:13 +0000 > Subject: [B&S] Helping other people with their family trees/Emmanuel Harris > > Thanks again Josephine. I suspect that you may well be correct and he did leave his wife again. It does seem odd that I cannot find a death record for him, but if he was in another part of the country I might not make the link. I will certainly let you all know if I do locate him. > Regards > Millie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 16:15:49 -0000, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > Don't lose heart Josephine! Hi Karen, I had lost heart this morning, but posts from you and other list members has cheered me up. I think I will carry on in a limited way, but be wary of offering information, years later, when the recipient could well have forgotten their original request. As, many listers know, I keep an archive of e-mails sent and received so I often know exactly what was written say 10 or even 15 years ago. But perhaps others don't keep such a close track of family history research sent and received. These days, though, I must admit that it's often quicker to look in the B & S archives with a key word to find something that I know I once wrote. Josephine

Hi Josephine Like many others on this list, I find it interesting to look at other > people's family history and to discover new facts and make links. > > Earlier today, list member, Nivard, wrote, 'Truth be told I enjoy "the > hunt".' > > Many of us would agree with this. > > It sometimes can help us with our own research too, when we get stuck or frustrated. Looking for somebody else's problem ancestor the other day, I found a linkto my own line. There, if we had ancestors n the same Parish, or even Hundred, there is a good chance of a connection. How's the canal today? - Hope all is well (and LSS) Jim

Josephine, Been awol from family history for a while owing to pressures of the living!! Hoping to get back to it this year. Please don't stop your wonderful help - I've had responses to messages I placed a long time ago and have been delighted by them. Have recently discovered a distant cousin in Australia who I hope to meet up with - a branch of the VINE family from Bristol that I knew nothing about. (Emma Vine born c.1838 had a sister Lucy who emigrated to Australia, Lucy's great great grandaughter has recently made contact - BIG THRILLS!!) I too have supplied supplementary information to other correspondents, but am lucky that that has been well received. Maggie Formerly OzDais/Halfajigsaw/Charnwood06@aol.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/ > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:22:46 -0000 > From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> > Subject: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's > family history > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.w85wn8hb42w82j@glasydorlan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Hi Listers, > > In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family > history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is > now, but I helped as much as I could. > > Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past > family members and asking for any information about them. This went into > the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the future. > > By 2011, new family records had become available so I thought of my > correspondent and found three marriages, two births and two baptisms, > which I sent off plus details of a site where further information could be > found on 19th-century family members. > > I did not receive a reply at the time, but now nearly three years later I > have received one. > > It turns out that my correspondent, rather than being pleased with the new > information, was annoyed with me for 'checking' on these family members > and had decided not to contact me any more. > > So I am in a dilemma, now, concerning other requests for family history > information which I receive almost daily, off list, from people who have > found my posts in the rootsweb archives. > > I now feel I don't want to carry on helping people, but it's not in my > nature to be dismissive when someone, often a complete stranger, asks for > help. > > I have the added problem that my main computer which is used for research > and e-mail has broken down, yet again, after only a year's use. I'm > currently using an old and very noisy computer, which is also very slow > and liable to break down, too. > > It's a dilemma I'll have to work out for myself, I know, but in the > meantime I may not be helping out, as much as I formerly did. I think that > I need to take a break as this has caused me much distress. > > Josephine

Dear Josephine, I agree with the other listers that those ungrateful souls are the minority. Your efforts are appreciated around the globe. Last year you forwarded me some invaluable information on my Bristol ancestors for which I will be eternally grateful. Don't let those few individuals get you down. Regards Paul le Roux South Africa

Please see https://www.facebook.com/findjimmyhancock Friend is searching for his Grandad's good army friend, Jimmy Hancock. They served together in the Somerset Light Infantry in 1947 and again in the Cornwall Light Infantry later on. His grandfather is William Neale and it would mean the world to him to find out about one of his dearest oldest friends from the war. We know little about Jimmy and his whereabouts since leaving the Army, but friend believes he MUST have some relatives out there locally who are online now. If you are reading this and might know Jimmy, please get in touch or pass on my contact details, if not, then please share the page anyway. Thank you in advance. Maggie Formerly OzDais/Halfajigsaw/Charnwood06@aol.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/

Thanks again Josephine. I suspect that you may well be correct and he did leave his wife again. It does seem odd that I cannot find a death record for him, but if he was in another part of the country I might not make the link. I will certainly let you all know if I do locate him. Regards Millie

I have been tracing my family tree for over 30 years now and had numerous similar encounters. Some people are just happy with "a" family tree and not too worried about accuracy! Someone from Australia was just not interested when I pointed out that the person she said she was descended from died as a child! It was one of the few deaths in the register giving the age and parents name. A regular response when asking why they chose "A" instead of "B" as parents is "I paid a professional to research my tree so it must be correct"! They are just not interested in considering anything different A contact rejected my suggestion for suitable parents saying that surname spelling was not identical to the person she was researching. However some people are not worth even trying to help! By email many years ago someone told me proudly that they traced their Bristol family back to the 1600s somewhere in the midlands which sounded impressive. However it went downhill from there as he said that it had only taken him six weeks using just the IGI!! Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 04 January 2014 12:23 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's family history Hi Listers, In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is now, but I helped as much as I could. Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past family members and asking for any information about them. This went into the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the future. By 2011, new family records had become available so I thought of my correspondent and found three marriages, two births and two baptisms, which I sent off plus details of a site where further information could be found on 19th-century family members. I did not receive a reply at the time, but now nearly three years later I have received one. It turns out that my correspondent, rather than being pleased with the new information, was annoyed with me for 'checking' on these family members and had decided not to contact me any more. So I am in a dilemma, now, concerning other requests for family history information which I receive almost daily, off list, from people who have found my posts in the rootsweb archives. I now feel I don't want to carry on helping people, but it's not in my nature to be dismissive when someone, often a complete stranger, asks for help. I have the added problem that my main computer which is used for research and e-mail has broken down, yet again, after only a year's use. I'm currently using an old and very noisy computer, which is also very slow and liable to break down, too. It's a dilemma I'll have to work out for myself, I know, but in the meantime I may not be helping out, as much as I formerly did. I think that I need to take a break as this has caused me much distress. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Mike On the left page of those two, there is a Frances JAMES whose occupation is Shop Keeper And a House Keeper on the next page The K in those seems very similar to the first letter in the GOOLD occupations Hence my thought on Knitter Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/01/2014 16:14, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Thanks for that. You may be right. I couldn't find another "K" to compare > with, but Mary is a pauper in the '51 census, so a Knitter sounds very > plausible. > > Best wishes, > > Mike

Dear Jo, How I feel for you! I have just returned from a day in town - very wet and miserable - to find a huge amount of email on this one subject. Oh, how I understand. Please do not give up and be sure that all that you have done for others has been appreciated by almost everyone. You are always good natured and helpful, to the novice and to the more experienced. However simple or complicated the enquiry you are always calm and measured in your response. We are not afraid to ask. We (well, I, at least) are learning all the time. My slap-backs have been mainly in other fields and yes, IT HURTS! I can give you a recent example. We do B & B - in a very small way, and have had lots of lovely people who appreciate our way of doing things, but we had one booking right at the end of November and I realised the family of 5 would arrive whilst we were at an extremely important choir practice, a kind of dress rehearsal before Christmas performances. No matter, with their prior knowledge I arranged for my lovely neighbour to greet them and introduce them to the house. We returned as planned just before 6.30 p.m. and immediately I realised there was some kind of problem. My neighbour came in and said the equivalent of, "You have a bolshy one here! His family want to stay, but he is finding fault with everything and is really unpleasant." 5 minutes later he returned attacking us: it was not as it should be, the rooms were dirty and he would never try B & B again. He would stick wth hotels. I was polite, but reeling. None of us could see what he was complaining about, including the very house proud neighbour. I seethed and dwelled upon it for a long time. BUT we have had several sets of guests since, some absolutely lovely people and without being asked one couple said it was lovely, we were friendly and clean (I noted this word!) the bedding and food was of high quality. Only this morning another couple have just left after two nights. They attended a family wedding yesterday and said they were so happy here and would pass the word round that we were good. What has this to do with your case? Well. I was close to tears and also a bit afraid of continuing. Like you said, we could stop doing it. But equally like you and your impeccable research, we are good at it. We just have to develop a thicker skin and try not to change what obviously works so well. As for the computer - I notice that some on the list have offered - but do you also have a friendly local specialist who might be able to give it a good going over? Just ignore these rude insults and remember you are held in great regard by many. Happy New Year, here they say "Et surtout la sante" (and above all good health) Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 15:37:15 +0000 > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's family history > > On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:38:32 -0000, Salter, Colin > <colin.salter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> l had a similar experience with a "new" cousin, with whom I shared >> information. After we had done so, I added her name to my notes, which I >> then sent her. She went off the deep end about privacy and betrayal of >> trust, even though they were private notes not intended for publication. >> l removed all trace in deference to her feelings. But we lost touch and >> it >> left a bad feeling.I'm over it now and as happy as ever to help and share >> privately. Hope you get past it soon to. > > Hi Colin, > > Thank you. I know I will get over my current feelings in time. It's sad to > lose a friend or as in your case lose touch with a new cousin. I expect > that you think of what you shared with your new cousin and what you could > have shared if you'd stayed in touch. Perhaps, in time, she may make > contact with you again. > > A new second cousin contacted me in the summer and revived my interest in > my family history, which was dwindling in all the heat we experienced last > year. It has been a pleasure to share what I know about our family and to > discover new things about his side of the family. > > So, it's not all doom and gloom here. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:02:03 -0000, Baum, Cindy, OPM USA <Cindy.Baum@opm.com> wrote: > I have to jump in here, too. Josephine, you helped me so very much with > my English ancestors (and others on this list did as well, from > handwriting translation to just general encouragement) and I always > endeavor to say "thanks" for any help. You even kindly chatted with me > about your old cat while I was losing mine. Hi Cindy, Good to hear from you! Well, cats are part of our family history aren't they? Ours was born near the end of the war and arrived at our house, as a kitten, in a bag on the handlebars of my grandfather's bicycle. > For months, I had a dry erase board propped up, covered with all my > Stone and Bright branches on it, every name, date and place courtesy of > your time and help. Like many others on this list, I find it interesting to look at other people's family history and to discover new facts and make links. Earlier today, list member, Nivard, wrote, 'Truth be told I enjoy "the hunt".' Many of us would agree with this. Josephine

Hi I couldn't agree more with Nivard's sentiments ..... I similarly used to take offence when people didn't acknowledge my replies to their queries, much less give thanks for research that I had undertaken for them. However, I carry on regardless because when my own research has 'stalled' it is great to tackle a new problem, even if it belongs to someone else! Also, I like the concept of paying forward - others have helped me and I help others but not necessarily the same individuals - seems to work with most elements of life :-) Don't lose heart Josephine! Cheers and a Happy New Year... Karen > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:44:21 +0000 > From: ovington.one@gmail.com > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's family history > > Hi Josephine > > First thing to say, please do not take it to heart, people are very > varied in all walks of life, most are good but a minority are > thoughtless or down right rude > > Continue to help others as *you* feel fit > > I am often surprised but lately resigned to the lack of response you get > when helping others, it used to very much annoy me that people would not > even have the courtesy to say thank you or even that they already had > the information, it seems a basic courtesy drilled into me from a very > young age > > I sat back and thought, why am I doing this, was it for plaudits or > thank you's, and the answer was no, I enjoy helping others in the small > ways I am able to > > Of course it is gratifying when someone comes back to you to say thank > you but thats not what I do it for, so will continue regardless > > Truth be told I enjoy "the hunt" > > The fact is that if you or I can find it, then so can anyone else, its > just knowing how or having the good fortune to find something and know > who wants it > > If your correspondent can't realise that I would simply move on and > leave them to stew > > Continue to enjoy what you do, as I shall and good luck to you in your > research also > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 04/01/2014 12:22, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > > > In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family > > history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is > > now, but I helped as much as I could. > > > > Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past > > family members and asking for any information about them. This went into > > the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the future. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard, Thanks for that. You may be right. I couldn't find another "K" to compare with, but Mary is a pauper in the '51 census, so a Knitter sounds very plausible. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 04 January 2014 11:10 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Help with Handwriting - Emborrow 1841 Hi Mike Possibly "Knitter" Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/01/2014 10:46, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi All, > > Can anyone give me some help in deciphering handwriting in the 1841 census ? > > Emborrow (Emborough) HO 107/939/7 p.2 has : > > Mary GOOLD, 60, ???, Y > > Ann GOOLD, 40, ???, Y > > Can anyone suggest what the occupations are for Mary and Ann ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:44:44 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Please don’t be disheartened. Some people are just plain rude. For my > part I have found your contribution to this site invaluable and you have > helped me in the past. In fact, whenever I get stuck or want to know > some general fact I immediately think “I bet that Josephine will know”!!! Thank you, Millie. Sadly, though, I don't know as much as I'd like to know! But I have been giving your elusive Emmanuel HARRIS some thought. I wondered if he might have left his wife again in the 1860s and gone to make a new life for himself in London. I say this because my 3x great-grandfather, George PRESS, from Pill, was also a carpenter. He went to London after some trouble. Back in 2005, Karen Francis found him and his family for me in the 1861 census. They were in Paddington, London. So one day you just might catch up with Emmanuel. Let us know if you do! Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:38:32 -0000, Salter, Colin <colin.salter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > l had a similar experience with a "new" cousin, with whom I shared > information. After we had done so, I added her name to my notes, which I > then sent her. She went off the deep end about privacy and betrayal of > trust, even though they were private notes not intended for publication. > l removed all trace in deference to her feelings. But we lost touch and > it > left a bad feeling.I'm over it now and as happy as ever to help and share > privately. Hope you get past it soon to. Hi Colin, Thank you. I know I will get over my current feelings in time. It's sad to lose a friend or as in your case lose touch with a new cousin. I expect that you think of what you shared with your new cousin and what you could have shared if you'd stayed in touch. Perhaps, in time, she may make contact with you again. A new second cousin contacted me in the summer and revived my interest in my family history, which was dwindling in all the heat we experienced last year. It has been a pleasure to share what I know about our family and to discover new things about his side of the family. So, it's not all doom and gloom here. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:06:44 -0000, Colin Brown <colinbrown5059@gmail.com> wrote: > The majority of us are grateful for all the help we receive from our > fellow enthusiasts. Some folk can be difficult though, can't they? We > don't know > what's going on in their lives so when they appear ungrateful or even > rude perhaps they need to be cut a little slack. Hi Colin, Thank you for your thoughts on this. It's good to get another view. My husband was in total agreement with you when he read your post. Josephine