Thanks Josephine. Well remembered!! My Grandma (the grandaughter of George TIDCOMBE and Emma VINE) lived in that house - when I went to visit Fishponds c. 1990 she asked me if the Tram Station was still there - sadly it wasn't!! Regards, Maggie Formerly OzDais/Halfajigsaw/Charnwood06@aol.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:41:04 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] TIDCOMBE, Fishponds (was A cautionary tale ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w87juqrp42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi Maggie, Welcome back to family history!Thanks for your message on the cautionary tale thread. As I went to bed, there was a thought in my mind about your message which conjured up a picture of the tram shelter in Fishponds in the early 20th century. I've now discovered why I had that picture in my mind! The tram shelter was on the Fishponds Road near the junction with New Station Road. Now I see that your TIDCOMBE family lived on the corner of New Station Road and Coronation Avenue in Fishponds. Josephine

Hi Marjorie Not a LATCHEM and not connected (so far as I am aware) but there are/were LATCHEM in Frome. Fred used to operate a Taxi firm. Jim

Thank you for sending this, Jean. I must check him out. I know of a Giles Latcham, a broadcaster with the BBC. He is a distant cousin. Maybe I'll find Chris is too. Marjorie Keates nee Latcham >How is this for coincidence? I have never really come across the name >Latcham/em before >and just as I was reading this message, the very word, a Chris Latcham was >announced giving a sports report on Radio 4 news! >Jean Wood

>Not a LATCHEM and not connected (so far as I am aware) but there are/were >LATCHEM in Frome. > >Fred used to operate a Taxi firm. > >Jim Thank you, Jim. This is just the sort of thing I like receive. Now to get to work and see where he fits in. Marjorie

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:21:03 -0000, Stephen Ezzy <srezz51@gmail.com> wrote: > Some time ago you gave me more information about my Wrankmore family over > the space of a couple of hours then I had been able to find in months. I > am very grateful for your help and also enjoy the links to interesting > information you post. Please stick around. Hi Steve, Thanks for your kind words. I remember your Wrankmore family as being interesting as the surname was spelt a variety of ways in the Bristol records. As you know, besides WRANKMORE, there was RANKMORE, WRETMORE, WRINTMORE and WRINCHMORE. Hope you are continuing to have success in finding more information about them. Josephine

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 00:10:00 -0000, Edie <eamca@bigpond.com> wrote: > We who live overseas are very appreciative of any help we can receive. > We do have access to ancestry, findmypast and The genealogist, > Familysearch, > but they are not the Original Parish registers, sometimes they give an > origianl record but mostly not so. We could do with the original and > those of you on the spot have access to and have very kindly on many > occasions > gone out of your way to check for us. Hi Edie, Thanks for your response to the cautionary tale thread. I can understand that researching from overseas can be more difficult than researching here. For me, what I would find difficult is not being able to picture a place or the layout of a village, town or city from my own memories of them. It's even difficult for me to picture some ancestral places in the U.K. For instance, some of my 19th-and-early-20th century Bristol ancestors came from Exeter in Devon. I know their addresses and I have old maps of Exeter, but because I don't know the place personally, I can't picture their situation. I believe the city has changed, too, because of the Exeter Blitz in the Second World. Yet, I can quite happily picture my Bristol families in pre-war Bristol and I am more familiar, in my mind, with central Bristol streets as they were before the war than as they are now. Josephine

Dont stop helping Josephine, this person who bawled you out is one needle in very large haystack. That is obvious by all of the comments. We who live overseas are very appreciative of any help we can receive. Even if we have the information we can politely say so and also when we ask for help we can also make sure we tell those of you who like to help (me included) what we already do have, to save folk wasting their time going over old ground. We do have access to ancestry, findmypast and The genealogist, Familysearch, but they are not the Original Parish registers, sometimes they give an origianl record but mostly not so. We could do with the original and those of you on the spot have access to and have very kindly on many occasions gone out of your way to check for us. Even if it hasnt been the original it gives us a leg up on where to look, which is helpful as well. Yes we can get the film in and for my own I have done this often, but it takes time to get in and like most genie buffs, I want it yesterday. An idea comes to you and you want it right then. This is where you have been so helpful Josephine and those of you who have helped me out as well. Thankyou for your past help Josephine and others on the list much appreciated Edie Tasmania ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:22 PM Subject: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's familyhistory

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:14:53 -0000, Briansk <Briansk@dodo.com.au> wrote: > I know how hurtful this is as the same thing has happened to me trying > to help but a dear friend > gave me some good advice and told me that .."This will pass" and when it > does you will be able toget on and do what you love and do with > enthusiasm and joy. Hi Elaine, Thank you. Your message has reminded me that my Mum used to use exactly the same words, "This will pass". You are right about the enthusiasm and joy. If I see a new surname, especially an unusual one, I am filled with enthusiasm to get started and find out more about it. The joy comes when a new snippet of information is found. I expect many of us have experienced those moments of joy when someone or something has broken down a brick wall in research or where something completely unexpected has turned up to add to the research. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 20:08:42 -0000, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Well said Nivard, my exact words to Josephine is the same, I have lost > count of the times I get no reply from look-ups. All very frustrating. > Then out of the blue one will get a very grateful response which > brightens my day. Like you, I love to help, but at times, one just wants > to give up. Hi Bev, Thanks for your response to the thread. Yes, it is frustrating not to get a reply to family history messages, especially when more information is subsequently found, but I have become used to that over the years. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to do. What distressed me was that I found out that nearly three years ago a decision had been made not to contact me because I had given offence by adding a little bit of extra family history information to what I had found 11 years previously. It was only three marriages, two births and two baptisms so nothing out of the ordinary. All a storm in a teacup, now, I suppose, but yesterday morning I was ready to give up. The kind words and support of B & S list members has changed my mind. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:20:30 -0000, Barbra Pappas <the25th@hotmail.com> wrote: > Josephine Jeremiah has kindly helped hundreds find their roots. After > five years of brick walls she helped with a wealth of info on my > Tovey/Bowdich family and I will always be appreciative of her selfless > efforts. Hi Barbra, Thank you for your kind words. I remember your TOVEY/BOWDICH family as they came from Cameley in Somerset, the same parish as my PAYNE, VEATER and VOKES families. Your request for information about them came on the Monmouthshire list on 31st. January 2003. I hope you have been able to gather more information about your Somerset families in the intervening 11 years. If anyone is interested in how Barbra's TOVEY/BOWDICH family were found in the records, the information is in the Monmouthshire archives for Jamuary 2003: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/monmouthshire/2003-01/1044030173 I remember that I really enjoyed finding information on those families. Josephine

Yes, I note them in RED! Some time down the line I have forgotten the name but thr red is a useful reminder. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > From: liverpud-49@rogers.com > To: Bristol_and_Somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 19:57:01 -0500 > Subject: [B&S] ] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's family history... > > > > > > Keep a little list and also put anyone who is not kind or thankful, onto a > Block listing. he person who is kindly giving the information is not the > problem. > > It surely works for me. > > Edna - frigid Ottawa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers, An article on my blog this week might be of interest - about Frome Lodge in Stapleton, home in the mid to late 19th century of Captain Charles Castle JP (1813-1886), and into the early 20th of his widow Ada Elizabeth nee Crickland (b. 1837) of Clifton. http://talltalesfromthetrees.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/charles-castle-1813-1886 -and-frome-lodge.html The blog,www.talltalesfromthetrees.blogspot.co.uk, has a listing of surnames covered in the right hand column which links to relevant articles.Not all my weekly posts are about my Bristol forebears, but many have been and on Saturday 11th January 2014 there's another - William Henry Castle of Grove House in Clifton and his involvement with the brewery on Stokes Park. I hope it's useful to someone! Happy hunting in 2014 , Colin (Edinburgh)

>I had lost heart this morning, but posts from you and other list members >has cheered me up. > >I think I will carry on in a limited way, but be wary of offering >information, years later, when the recipient could well have forgotten >their original request. Hi Josephine I echo what so many wise people have been saying in emails to you...don't give up! I have certainly appreciated your help over the years and your kind tone which always shines through. Please don't hesitate to send me snippets you may come across even tho we made contact many years ago. I'm still trying to find the first name of Sarah's husband from the 1790s...and Sarah's surname. Sarah --- married ---- LATCHAM sometime before 1799, prob close to the end of the decade. She was my 3x great grandmother who married Richard DUNN, widower, 23 Jan 1799. Sarah LATCHAM was a widow at that marriage. They married in St Cuthbert's, Wells. Richard was of St James, Bristol and Sarah of the out parish of St Cuthbert's, both of the age of 23 years and upwards, according to the marriage licence. Because I haven't had any luck finding Sarah's first marriage I am engaged in a one-name study of LATCHAM/ LATCHEM collecting all info I come across re anyone with the name so any snippets are much appreciated Wouldn't it be wonderful if someone reading this email was another descendant!!! All best wishes, Josephine and everyone, for 2014 Marjorie (Latcham) Keates

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:41:48 -0000, parsons james <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > It sometimes can help us with our own research too, when we get stuck or > frustrated. Looking for somebody else's problem ancestor the other day, I > found a linkto my own line. Hi Jim, Yes, that has happened to me, too, with brilliant results. Once I was looking in an 1881 census index for HALLIWELL, for someone else. I glanced down the index and found a family called HARRY, which was my HARRIS family for whom I had looked for ages with no result. That night I whooped for joy and did a celebration dance! > How's the canal today? - Hope all is well (and LSS) LSS is fine, though a bit grizzly as he can't get on the computer at the moment :-) Canals are generally safer than rivers at this time of flood. I see that boats have sunk at Hanham on the Bristol Avon and there are problems on rivers elsewhere. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:36:50 -0000, Maggie Silver <ozdais@hotmail.com> wrote: > Been awol from family history for a while owing to pressures of the > living!! Hoping to get back to it this year. Hi Maggie, Welcome back to family history!Thanks for your message on the cautionary tale thread. As I went to bed, there was a thought in my mind about your message which conjured up a picture of the tram shelter in Fishponds in the early 20th century. I've now discovered why I had that picture in my mind! The tram shelter was on the Fishponds Road near the junction with New Station Road. Now I see that your TIDCOMBE family lived on the corner of New Station Road and Coronation Avenue in Fishponds. Josephine

On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:37:20 -0000, Chris Jefferies <chris.jefferies@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > I have been tracing my family tree for over 30 years now and had numerous > similar encounters. > A contact rejected my suggestion for suitable parents saying that surname > spelling was not identical to the person she was researching. Hi Chris, Thanks for your response on the cautionary tale thread. Your comment on surname spelling caught my eye because if your contact was referring to a member of the JEFFERIES family then we both know that this surname has many variations in spelling. I've heard that my step-great grandfather, Edwin JEFFERIES, who lived in Staple Hill at the time of the 1901 census and St. George at the time of the 1911 census, was spoken of as JEFFREY by his step-daughter's paternal relatives who lived at Oldland. He and his family were recorded as JEFFREY in the 1851 census, when he was living at North Common, Bitton. In 1861, he and his family were recorded as JEFFERIS when they lived in Oldland Common. Edwin's surname was recorded as JEFFRIES in the 1871, 1981 and 1891 censuses and JEFFERIES in the 1901 census. The 1911 census index has Edwin and his family as JEFFIRIES. So, there was a number of spelling variations of the surname JEFFERIES in this one family. Josephine

Dear Josephine, When I read this post my heart went out to you.Don't let the selfishness and arrogance of this person get you down.Over the years I have seen the wonderful way in which you are willing to help people which is truly a gift.I'm sure other folk on the list will agree .While this person has treated you this way it appears they are not very nice and more than likely would have treated others the same way and I believe they don't deserve anyones help.Your joy comes from helping others so please don't give up what you do so well.Just try and forget about this person.I know how hurtful this is as the same thing has happened to me trying to help but a dear friend gave me some good advice and told me that .."This will pass" and when it does you will be able to get on and do what you love and do with enthusiasm and joy.Don't let this person take that away from you. I hope you can get your computer problems sorted soon and you can get back into this passtime which you love and which the majority of peope researching their families know that without people like you to help them they would get nowhere fast. Keep your chin up and God Bless Elaine. -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, 4 January 2014 11:23 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's familyhistory Hi Listers, In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is now, but I helped as much as I could. Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past family members and asking for any information about them. This went into the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the future. By 2011, new family records had become available so I thought of my correspondent and found three marriages, two births and two baptisms, which I sent off plus details of a site where further information could be found on 19th-century family members. I did not receive a reply at the time, but now nearly three years later I have received one. It turns out that my correspondent, rather than being pleased with the new information, was annoyed with me for 'checking' on these family members and had decided not to contact me any more. So I am in a dilemma, now, concerning other requests for family history information which I receive almost daily, off list, from people who have found my posts in the rootsweb archives. I now feel I don't want to carry on helping people, but it's not in my nature to be dismissive when someone, often a complete stranger, asks for help. I have the added problem that my main computer which is used for research and e-mail has broken down, yet again, after only a year's use. I'm currently using an old and very noisy computer, which is also very slow and liable to break down, too. It's a dilemma I'll have to work out for myself, I know, but in the meantime I may not be helping out, as much as I formerly did. I think that I need to take a break as this has caused me much distress. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said Nivard, my exact words to Josephine is the same, I have lost count of the times I get no reply from look-ups. All very frustrating. Then out of the blue one will get a very grateful response which brightens my day. Like you, I love to help, but at times, one just wants to give up. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:44 PM To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping with other people's family history > Hi Josephine > > First thing to say, please do not take it to heart, people are very > varied in all walks of life, most are good but a minority are > thoughtless or down right rude > > Continue to help others as *you* feel fit > > I am often surprised but lately resigned to the lack of response you get > when helping others, it used to very much annoy me that people would not > even have the courtesy to say thank you or even that they already had > the information, it seems a basic courtesy drilled into me from a very > young age > > I sat back and thought, why am I doing this, was it for plaudits or > thank you's, and the answer was no, I enjoy helping others in the small > ways I am able to > > Of course it is gratifying when someone comes back to you to say thank > you but thats not what I do it for, so will continue regardless > > Truth be told I enjoy "the hunt" > > The fact is that if you or I can find it, then so can anyone else, its > just knowing how or having the good fortune to find something and know > who wants it > > If your correspondent can't realise that I would simply move on and > leave them to stew > > Continue to enjoy what you do, as I shall and good luck to you in your > research also > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 04/01/2014 12:22, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >> Hi Listers, >> >> In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family >> history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is >> now, but I helped as much as I could. >> >> Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past >> family members and asking for any information about them. This went into >> the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the >> future. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6474 - Release Date: 01/03/14 >

Hi Listers, Thank you for all the comments on this thread so far. It's past midnight now so I will reply to posts from Chris, Maggie, Jim, Barbra, Elaine and Edie in the morning and also to any other posts, on the thread, which may come overnight. You have all made me feel so much better than I've felt for the last couple of days. Josephine

Hi Nivard, Well spotted ! (I should have gone to Specsavers!) The "K" in those cases looks like one, whereas in my two cases, it still looks a bit unclear, but logically, your suggestion looks the most likely. I can't think of anything else. Thanks again for your help. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 04 January 2014 17:27 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Help with Handwriting - Emborrow 1841 Hi again Mike On the left page of those two, there is a Frances JAMES whose occupation is Shop Keeper And a House Keeper on the next page The K in those seems very similar to the first letter in the GOOLD occupations Hence my thought on Knitter Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/01/2014 16:14, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Nivard, > > Thanks for that. You may be right. I couldn't find another "K" to compare > with, but Mary is a pauper in the '51 census, so a Knitter sounds very > plausible. > > Best wishes, > > Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message