On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:22:33 -0000, Cheryl and John <johnthebricky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Josephine, > I think the same as all the other your help has been much appreciated > and I hope you don't get discouraged to continue helping others. I find > it hard > with research as i live down under in South Australia. Keep up the good > work. Hi Cheryl, Thanks for your kind thoughts. This morning I have already started looking at another interesting Bristol family so I am back on track. Research is a bit slow, though, as the computer I'm working on at the moment is very slow, but I'm getting there. I hope your CHIDGEY and RANDALL research in Bristol is going well. Josephine

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:31:44 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but > as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that > people > self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've > been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found > this list. Hi Sandy, Welcome to the list :-) I formerly thought that my 2x great-grandmother was Welsh, too, but I found out that she was born and baptized in Bristol in 1832. There was a lot of travel between Bristol and its neighbourhood and Wales in the 19th century. This is the list where you will find some answers to your family history going back even further than your great-grandmother. I already have some of your family names up my sleeve. More later! Josephine

http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html A good site from Roy Stockdill. Welcome to the club... Bristol/Somerset list. Edna - Ottawa

Hi Sandy Welcome to a very friendly and helpful list! I can't answer your question fully but I know that in the early 20th century I had a couple of family members that crossed from Bristol/Bath to work in the Welsh mines. Correspondingly some families probably moved from South Wales to the West of England; I imagine that finding work was the imperative. Other listers will know far more than me about these 'migrations'I expect..... Regards Karen > From: slgianni@newkenmore.com > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 22:31:44 -0500 > Subject: [B&S] newbie here > > Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but as I > research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that people > self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've > been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found this > list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more general > question. > > Sandy Sheldon Gianni > Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandy, Think it must have been very easy to "cross the water" as the sister of my VINE great great grandmother, born Bristol, moved to Swansea after marrying GUNNINGHAM (also from Bristol). What was your great grandmother's name? Regards, Maggie Formerly OzDais/Halfajigsaw/Charnwood06@aol.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/i/l/Margaret-A-Silver/ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 22:31:44 -0500 From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Subject: [B&S] newbie here To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5417427EB75D49D09B2ED0CEFB2B1B12@Sandysdell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that people self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more general question. Sandy Sheldon Gianni Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA

Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that people self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more general question. Sandy Sheldon Gianni Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA

Kalgoorlie Miner (WA : 1895 - 1950) Friday 14 May 1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/92575361 AUSTRALIANS IN ACTION-ROLL OF HONOUR RATINGS Lionel S. CHURCHER, A.B. next of kin, son, Edgar CHURCHER, 27 Rowdens-road, Wells, Somerset, England Albert E. KNAGGS, A.B.; next of kin, wife, 11 Canton-street, Newfoundland-road, St. Pauls, Bristol. George H. NASH, L.S. : next of kin, father, Henry NASH, Wooton House, Hegaston-road, West-street, Badminster [sic] Bristol England. Thomas H. WALKER, stoker: next of kin, wife, Elizabeth May WALKER, care of Mrs. HAINES, Bishop's Lidyeard, near Taunton, Somerset, England. If you click on the link it should take you to the article, with other names from throughout England and one from Ireland. Bev

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:40:36 -0000, Colin Salter <colin.salter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks! I tried to reproduce the view from Wickham Court for the article; > but the allotments in front of the Court are private and in the way, and > anyway the terraces of Frome Lodge are sadly overgrown now and the view > lost. But you can still identify one of the tall conifers at the back of > the postcard view, across Park Road from the Lodge. I have the Bygone > Frenchay & Stapleton book as well as my own unposted copy of the card. > It's surprising to see it still in print in 1930, when I read elsewhere > that the view dates from 1905 - not exactly a major tourist view, I > would have thought. Hi Colin and Listers, Thinking about it, people collected all kinds of postcards during the Golden Age of Postcard Collecting in the early 20th century. A postcard, dating from Edwardian times, may well have been put unused in an album and then brought out and postally used in 1930 or even later. Each village, during this Golden Age, could have had a number of postcard views taken of its street scenes, churches, chapels, schools, shops, mills, large houses, beauty spots and so on. Some list members may be interested in this page on Postcard History: http://www.postcard.co.uk/postcard_history.php Josephine

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:45:20 -0000, Art & Marjorie Keates <akeates@kingston.net> wrote: > Thank you, Josephine, for these two entries. Lots to work on now! > > When we attended the Clutton Bunfight (I did enjoy that!) in 2006 we > stayed overnight in Wedmore and someone told me of Wilfred Latcham, a > farmer, who had died a few years before. I'm working on that entry now > and I'm sure it is the same Wilfred. And then on to Jas. M. Hi Marjorie, Thanks for your response. We enjoyed meeting you at the Clutton Bunfight and we have been through Wedmore, since then, but didn't stop to look as it was a bit busy there. When I sent the information about Wilfred Latcham, I didn't realize that Heath House was an area of Wedmore, so I've found out something new. Possibly this Wilfred was the son of butcher Matthew Latcham, but I expect you've already found that. Josephine

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:09:53 -0000, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: AUSTRALIANS IN ACTION-ROLL OF HONOUR RATINGS > Albert E. KNAGGS, A.B.; next of kin, wife, 11 Canton-street, > Newfoundland-road, St. Pauls, Bristol. Hi Bev and Listers, The name of Albert E. KNAGGS rang a bell in my mind. He was the grandfather of Jeff Knaggs, a B & S list member, with whom I used to correspond in the early days of my research. More details can be found about Albert E. KNAGGS near the bottom of this page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jeffery.knaggs/gKnaggs.html There is a link to the following interesting page, which is well worth a look: The Diary of Able Seaman 7893 Albert Edward Knaggs R.A.N. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jeffery.knaggs/diary.html Josephine

>I've just spotted two! There are two farmers with the surname LATCHAM >listed in Kelly's Somerset Directory of 1935. > >Jas. M. LATCHAM was at Burt's ho., Wellington, while Wilfred LATCHAM was >at Heath ho., Wedmore. Thank you, Josephine, for these two entries. Lots to work on now! When we attended the Clutton Bunfight (I did enjoy that!) in 2006 we stayed overnight in Wedmore and someone told me of Wilfred Latcham, a farmer, who had died a few years before. I'm working on that entry now and I'm sure it is the same Wilfred. And then on to Jas. M. Thank you Marjorie

Yes it is sad but sometimes there is an improvement. We have to move with the times. We have that here where you have to get Council approval to make improvements to the structure of your home or build a shed pull down certain trees etc. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Researching from overseas (was A cautionary tale ...) > Hi Edie > > Your suggestion of pulling down buildings may have been true of the > 1960's and before but certainly not of today > > Planning laws are quite comical really, before they allow you to even > change windows etc and demolishing what most would consider an eyesore > would take heaven and earth to be moved before getting approval > (unless it was in a councillors favour of course :-) > > The problem is we want to remember things the way they were, but time > moves on and people change things and it disturbs the memories > > I went back to my birth village, the brook is all but gone, sluices and > pipes take it here and there unseen, the areas I once played on have > been built on, the small school is now huge compared to that I remember > > Sadly time and tide wait for no man :-( > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> history about and expect to find it that way. But in the UK especially >> houses get pulled down to make way for roads, or skyscrapers etc. it >> does >> happen to a lesser extent here, but not like England. >> >> Anyway, I hope you are feeloing better today. >> Edie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am a little more fortunate than some who live overseas Josephine as I was born in London and my family immigrated here in 1957. I have been back to the Uk three times. The first time I wanted to go and see the house I grew up in until the age of 12, it didnt really look like the same house the facade had been changed and a porch with a door had been built, the street had changed and the shops as well. The bombed out area on the corner of Romford Road, Manor park, near the Three Rabbits Pub, I told my kids, my siblings and I use to throw snowballs across this huge hole in the ground where the bomb had landed was no longer, it was shops there instead. The pub had chnaged it names all of which was disappointing to me. For some reason yu have in your mind this place you either know or have read the history about and expect to find it that way. But in the UK especially houses get pulled down to make way for roads, or skyscrapers etc. it does happen to a lesser extent here, but not like England. Anyway, I hope you are feeloing better today. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 10:33 PM Subject: [B&S] Researching from overseas (was A cautionary tale ...) > On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 00:10:00 -0000, Edie <eamca@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> We who live overseas are very appreciative of any help we can receive. > >> We do have access to ancestry, findmypast and The genealogist, >> Familysearch, >> but they are not the Original Parish registers, sometimes they give an >> origianl record but mostly not so. We could do with the original and >> those of you on the spot have access to and have very kindly on many >> occasions >> gone out of your way to check for us. > > Hi Edie, > > Thanks for your response to the cautionary tale thread. > > I can understand that researching from overseas can be more difficult than > researching here. > > For me, what I would find difficult is not being able to picture a place > or the layout of a village, town or city from my own memories of them. > > It's even difficult for me to picture some ancestral places in the U.K. > > For instance, some of my 19th-and-early-20th century Bristol ancestors > came from Exeter in Devon. I know their addresses and I have old maps of > Exeter, but because I don't know the place personally, I can't picture > their situation. I believe the city has changed, too, because of the > Exeter Blitz in the Second World. > > Yet, I can quite happily picture my Bristol families in pre-war Bristol > and I am more familiar, in my mind, with central Bristol streets as they > were before the war than as they are now. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a Halliwell but it is in Lancashire. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Helping other people with their family trees > On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:41:48 -0000, parsons james > <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> It sometimes can help us with our own research too, when we get stuck or >> frustrated. Looking for somebody else's problem ancestor the other day, I >> found a linkto my own line. > > Hi Jim, > > Yes, that has happened to me, too, with brilliant results. > > Once I was looking in an 1881 census index for HALLIWELL, for someone > else. I glanced down the index and found a family called HARRY, which was > my HARRIS family for whom I had looked for ages with no result. > > That night I whooped for joy and did a celebration dance! > >> How's the canal today? - Hope all is well (and LSS) > > LSS is fine, though a bit grizzly as he can't get on the computer at the > moment :-) > > Canals are generally safer than rivers at this time of flood. I see that > boats have sunk at Hanham on the Bristol Avon and there are problems on > rivers elsewhere. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Edie Your suggestion of pulling down buildings may have been true of the 1960's and before but certainly not of today Planning laws are quite comical really, before they allow you to even change windows etc and demolishing what most would consider an eyesore would take heaven and earth to be moved before getting approval (unless it was in a councillors favour of course :-) The problem is we want to remember things the way they were, but time moves on and people change things and it disturbs the memories I went back to my birth village, the brook is all but gone, sluices and pipes take it here and there unseen, the areas I once played on have been built on, the small school is now huge compared to that I remember Sadly time and tide wait for no man :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > history about and expect to find it that way. But in the UK especially > houses get pulled down to make way for roads, or skyscrapers etc. it does > happen to a lesser extent here, but not like England. > > Anyway, I hope you are feeloing better today. > Edie

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:00:24 -0000, Art & Marjorie Keates <akeates@kingston.net> wrote: > I echo what so many wise people have been saying in emails to you...don't > give up! > I have certainly appreciated your help over the years and your kind tone > which always shines through. > Please don't hesitate to send me snippets you may come across even tho we > made contact many years ago. Hi Marjorie, Good to hear from you and thanks for your response. I always enjoy looking for a new LATCHAM for you :-) I've just spotted two! There are two farmers with the surname LATCHAM listed in Kelly's Somerset Directory of 1935. Jas. M. LATCHAM was at Burt's ho., Wellington, while Wilfred LATCHAM was at Heath ho., Wedmore. > All best wishes, Josephine and everyone, for 2014 All good wishes to you and Art for 2014, too. Josephine

Hello Josephine Some time ago you gave me more information about my Wrankmore family over the space of a couple of hours then I had been able to find in months. I am very grateful for your help and also enjoy the links to interesting information you post. Please stick around. Kind regards Steve Australia On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Josephine Jeremiah < jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > Hi Listers, > > In 2000, I corresponded with someone a number of times about their family > history. Back then there wasn't as much information available as there is > now, but I helped as much as I could. > > Subsequently, my correspondent put a message on rootsweb naming past > family members and asking for any information about them. This went into > the rootsweb archives and is available for anyone to see now or the future. > > By 2011, new family records had become available so I thought of my > correspondent and found three marriages, two births and two baptisms, > which I sent off plus details of a site where further information could be > found on 19th-century family members. > > I did not receive a reply at the time, but now nearly three years later I > have received one. > > It turns out that my correspondent, rather than being pleased with the new > information, was annoyed with me for 'checking' on these family members > and had decided not to contact me any more. > > So I am in a dilemma, now, concerning other requests for family history > information which I receive almost daily, off list, from people who have > found my posts in the rootsweb archives. > > I now feel I don't want to carry on helping people, but it's not in my > nature to be dismissive when someone, often a complete stranger, asks for > help. > > I have the added problem that my main computer which is used for research > and e-mail has broken down, yet again, after only a year's use. I'm > currently using an old and very noisy computer, which is also very slow > and liable to break down, too. > > It's a dilemma I'll have to work out for myself, I know, but in the > meantime I may not be helping out, as much as I formerly did. I think that > I need to take a break as this has caused me much distress. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How is this for coincidence? I have never really come across the name Latcham/em before and just as I was reading this message, the very word, a Chris Latcham was announced giving a sports report on Radio 4 news! Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:00:24 -0500 > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > From: akeates@kingston.net > Subject: Re: [B&S] A cautionary tale about helping other etc > > > >>I had lost heart this morning, but posts from you and other list members >>has cheered me up. >> >>I think I will carry on in a limited way, but be wary of offering >>information, years later, when the recipient could well have forgotten >>their original request. > > Hi Josephine > > I echo what so many wise people have been saying in emails to you...don't > give up! > I have certainly appreciated your help over the years and your kind tone > which always shines through. > > Please don't hesitate to send me snippets you may come across even tho we > made contact many years ago. > > I'm still trying to find the first name of Sarah's husband from the > 1790s...and Sarah's surname. > Sarah --- married ---- LATCHAM sometime before 1799, prob close to the end > of the decade. > She was my 3x great grandmother who married Richard DUNN, widower, 23 Jan > 1799. Sarah LATCHAM was a widow at that marriage. > They married in St Cuthbert's, Wells. Richard was of St James, Bristol and > Sarah of the out parish of St Cuthbert's, both of the age of 23 years and > upwards, according to the marriage licence. > > Because I haven't had any luck finding Sarah's first marriage I am engaged > in a one-name study of LATCHAM/ LATCHEM collecting all info I come across > re anyone with the name so any snippets are much appreciated > > Wouldn't it be wonderful if someone reading this email was another > descendant!!! > > All best wishes, Josephine and everyone, for 2014 > > Marjorie (Latcham) Keates > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! I tried to reproduce the view from Wickham Court for the article; but the allotments in front of the Court are private and in the way, and anyway the terraces of Frome Lodge are sadly overgrown now and the view lost. But you can still identify one of the tall conifers at the back of the postcard view, across Park Road from the Lodge. I have the Bygone Frenchay & Stapleton book as well as my own unposted copy of the card. It's surprising to see it still in print in 1930, when I read elsewhere that the view dates from 1905 - not exactly a major tourist view, I would have thought. Wickham Court has its own claim to history of course, in the Civil War. Very pretty little set of buildings.

On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:11:00 -0000, Colin Salter <colin.salter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > An article on my blog this week might be of interest - about Frome Lodge > in Stapleton, home in the mid to late 19th century of Captain Charles > Castle JP (1813-1886), and into the early 20th of his widow Ada > Elizabeth nee > Crickland (b. 1837) of Clifton. > http://talltalesfromthetrees.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/charles-castle-1813-1886 > -and-frome-lodge.html Hi Colin, Thank you for this interesting article in your blog. I hope other list members will take a look. An old postcard view of the terraces of Frome Lodge from the south east, c1905 caught my eye straight away. There's a similar view in Bygone Bristol FRENCHAY and STAPLETON on old postcards by Janet and Derek Fisher, Alan Freke and Roger Angerson, though the postcard shown in the book was postally used in 1930. The caption in the book notes that the view is from Wickham Court across the river. In years past, Wickham Court was the home of friends of mine and I have fond memories of visiting them there with my husband. Josephine