>When I sent the information about Wilfred Latcham, I didn't realize that >Heath House was an area of Wedmore, so I've found out something new. > >Possibly this Wilfred was the son of butcher Matthew Latcham, but I expect >you've already found that. > >Josephine Hi Josephine Yes, Wilfred was the son of Matthew Latcham and Alice nee Wall. I knew from his mother's will that Wilfred was a farmer but it's nice, I think, finding extra bits and pieces to add weight to what I have found along the way. I always like finding instances of farmers and gardeners because my father, in Canada, was a farmer and the land does seem to run throughout the broad family. Hope you are not experiencing the dreadful weather that is hitting so much of England...that you are not in danger of being flooded out. Marjorie
Now I see it. Top right (northeast?) corner of G3 on that map. Thanks! I had read that it was replaced since then. Sandy Sheldon Gianni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Ellbroad Street,Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > Yes, I've seen that article. I am unable to find the street on the map. > Could you give me a number and letter to narrow it down? : ) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:52 PM > Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD > ...) > > >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni >> <slgianni@newkenmore.com> >> wrote: >> >>> There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad >>> Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. >> >> Hi Sandy, >> >> This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, >> Bristol. >> >> You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, >> Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: >> >> http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf >> >> You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map >> dating from 1910 shown here: >> >> http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm >> >> Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. >> >> Josephine >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad > Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. Hi Sandy, This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map dating from 1910 shown here: http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. Josephine
Hi Josephine, I think the same as all the other your help has been much appreciated and I hope you don't get discouraged to continue helping others. I find it hard with research as i live down under in South Australia. Keep up the good work. Regards Cheryl Toach -----Original Message----- From: Salter, Colin Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:18 AM To: MillieB&D ; bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Helping other people with their family trees Hear hear! On Saturday, 4 January 2014, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Hello Josephine > > Please don’t be disheartened. Some people are just plain rude. For my part I have found your contribution to this site invaluable and you have helped me in the past. In fact, whenever I get stuck or want to know some general fact I immediately think “I bet that Josephine will know”!!! > > Rest assured that most of us really appreciate your efforts. > > Regards > Millie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/lost-streets.asp A good site. Edna - Ottawa
Yes, I've seen that article. I am unable to find the street on the map. Could you give me a number and letter to narrow it down? : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad >> Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. > > Hi Sandy, > > This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, > Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: > > http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf > > You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map > dating from 1910 shown here: > > http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm > > Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mark Stock was probably born in Basildon, Essex . Kelvin Binding from Essex
> On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, Edmund and Elizabeth STRATFORD had another baby, Samuel, baptized on 4th. January 1807 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Age at baptism was 15 weeks. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher, the same as for the baptism of Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Samuel STRATFORD, aged 18 months, was buried on 15th. April 1808 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. This burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine
Hi Josephine Lodowykus Mondet who was buried at Temple Church 22 June 1756 was a Huguenot merchant from Dublin who I presume was in Bristol on business. He is fom my wife's ancestors. In my family we have several Silk Weaver Huguenots I met a cousin who said her grandmother told her about our common gg grandmother speaking to her in French while sitting spinning. Tony ---Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:35 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:04:42 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in > Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some > listers: > The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is > every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:53:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Josephine > They seem to have omitted French as there was quite an influx of > Huguenots in Bristol Hi Tony, French may have been omitted because Britain was at war with France in 1793 or because the three languages mentioned were the ones spoken the most by the inhabitants of Bristol at the time. In 1793-4 there was a chapel in Orchard Street for French Protestants in which divine service was performed every Sunday in French. There was also a French School for Young Ladies in Kingsdown run by Ann Gautier. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:26:35 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > I was avoiding putting out partial information because I didn't want to > make anyone do research I'd already done. It appears you have searched > on my > name or something and found my tree or my inquiry on a forum : ) Hi Sandy, I haven't looked at your tree, as I don't have access to family trees, but I did see some information on your STRATFORD family earlier today. It looked like you may not have had any early-19th-century information so I just sent Elizabeth's baptism as I was going to be busy later on in the day. > Thank you, Josephine. You took it a little further than I've been able > to. I was composing a more thorough post but it's so complex. It's not too hard if you have the right resources :-) I'll send a little more earlier information, which may be of interest. Josephine
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:04:42 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in > Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some > listers: > The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is > every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:53:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Josephine > They seem to have omitted French as there was quite an influx of > Huguenots in Bristol Hi Tony, French may have been omitted because Britain was at war with France in 1793 or because the three languages mentioned were the ones spoken the most by the inhabitants of Bristol at the time. In 1793-4 there was a chapel in Orchard Street for French Protestants in which divine service was performed every Sunday in French. There was also a French School for Young Ladies in Kingsdown run by Ann Gautier. Josephine
Hi Josephine They seem to have omitted French as there was quite an influx of Huguenots in Bristol Tony -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:04 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol in the late 18thcentury Hi Listers, There has been mention of the link between Wales and Bristol in the 19th century. There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some listers: 'In Bristol there are people of several different countries, languages and religions; it receives large colonies from Wales, Ireland, Scotland, America, Gloucestershire, Somersetshire, Devonshire and most parts of England and the world, so that a general characteristic of its inhabitants cannot be given .... The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Listers, There has been mention of the link between Wales and Bristol in the 19th century. There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some listers: 'In Bristol there are people of several different countries, languages and religions; it receives large colonies from Wales, Ireland, Scotland, America, Gloucestershire, Somersetshire, Devonshire and most parts of England and the world, so that a general characteristic of its inhabitants cannot be given .... The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' Josephine
Thank you. I should have caught that. I have seen Basildon in records. This was from a transcription and when I look at the record, I think it was misspelled on the census form. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & Somerset" <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Family stories tend to get distorted over the years so are usually not 100% correct. I would guess that just about every Bristol family tree has some branch that moved to South Wales either permanently of for a few years. It is common to see Bristol families in the later census with some children born in S Wales indicating that they only spent some years in Wales. Although Coal was the main reason for the migration it wasn't just coal miners who moved to Wales so lots of other trades to support the miners and their families also migrated. Its not far by boat across the Severn then in 1880 the long rail journey via Gloucester was shortened by the Severn rail bridge then in the late 1880s shortened even more by the Severn Tunnel. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Gianni Sent: 07 January 2014 03:32 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] newbie here Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that people self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more general question. Sandy Sheldon Gianni Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: Jane Elizabeth White born 18 July 1845 in Bristol, Somerset, England to Charles White, a mariner, not found in census but given on her birth record (and written into my baby book) and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford, born about 1810 in Bristol, Somerset, England I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. Jane and her mother can be found in census data in Bristol, some years with Jane's aunt, Jane Sully Stratford, a butcher. Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in St. James, Bristol. There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. Jane Elizabeth White married Frederick Ebenezer Cherry in 1870. He died in 1872 in Bedminster and Jane Cherry left for the USA later that year. Some of Frederick's siblings were already in Erie County, NY, USA where she settled. On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 in Buffalo, NY, USA. I have not found death information for Jane's mother Elizabeth Sarah Stratford White, and next to no information for her father, Charles White. Sandy Sheldon Gianni Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > Hi Sandy, > > I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list > details of your family. > > At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong > ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your > Bristol family. > > The following baptism could be the baptism of your > great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane > Elizabeth WHITE: > > Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was > baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. > Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. > > This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to > 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I was avoiding putting out partial information because I didn't want to make anyone do research I'd already done. It appears you have searched on my name or something and found my tree or my inquiry on a forum : ) Isn't it scary what we can find out there? Thank you, Josephine. You took it a little further than I've been able to. I was composing a more thorough post but it's so complex. It's much easier if you can look at my tree. Sandy Sheldon Gianni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:57 AM Subject: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:31:44 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but >> as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that >> people >> self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've >> been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found >> this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more >> general >> question. > > Hi Sandy, > > I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list > details of your family. > > At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong > ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your > Bristol family. > > The following baptism could be the baptism of your > great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane > Elizabeth WHITE: > > Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was > baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. > Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. > > This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to > 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Sandy There is generally a grain of truth in family stories but its not always accurate You will probably find that a more distant relation (g.g.grandmother or before) was from Wales My mother always maintained that her grandfather came from Hamburg, not so as her grandfather and his father were born in Streatham Surrey There are other family members who married men of German extraction and its possible one of those was confused with her grandfather, or its further back still Why not post your details and lets see if we can find the link with you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/01/2014 03:31, Sandy Gianni wrote: > Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but as I > research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that people > self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've > been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found this > list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more general > question. > > Sandy Sheldon Gianni > Buffalo/Niagara Falls, NY, USA
On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 03:31:44 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Hi, I always heard from family that my great grandmother was Welsh, but > as I research, I see that she was born in Bristol. Is it just that > people > self-identify with their heritage? I see that Wales is very close I've > been wondering where to ask this question and am so glad to have found > this list. I can give details later but just wanted to post this more > general > question. Hi Sandy, I'm sending this now as I may not be on my computer when you give the list details of your family. At the risk of giving you information you already have or even the wrong ancestors, I have some information on whom I think are members of your Bristol family. The following baptism could be the baptism of your great-great-grandmother, the mother of your great-grandmother, Jane Elizabeth WHITE: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine