Hi again Chris I am sorry but you are misunderstanding how the census and other administrative divisions work No one is saying that Mangotsfield is actually *in* Somerset, only that for certain administrative functions it falls under Somerset Census being one of them Counties being a collection of odd shapes and sizes with certain parts protruding into a neighbouring County, there is often a need to round off certain parts to make administration easier or more sensible If you look back you will find Mangotsfield under Somersetshire for most if not all census Its just the way its organised Its quite normal in most Counties where places are close to a County border Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/01/2014 18:27, Chris Jefferies wrote: > It most certainly IS Findmypast who caused the problem because they cannot > be bothered to do it correctly. There is no excuse for listing any > Gloucestershire parish under Somerset. > > This is the location details from the transcription of the entry for my > father in 1911. > > Reg. District: Keynsham Sub District: Kingswood > Parish: Mangotsfield Enum. District: 9 > > Address: Victoria Street Staple Hill Near Bristol > County: Somersetshire > > Three of the five Keynsham sub districts are in Gloucestershire. It would > have take little effort to correctly identify parishes in the Kingswood, > Bitton and Oldland sub districts correctly as being in Gloucestershire! > > Chris Jefferies > Cheltenham > Glos > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard > Ovington > Sent: 09 January 2014 13:06 > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] Bristol, a City and a County > > Hi Chris > > As the "someone" :-) > > On this occasion its not the fault of findmypast and is basically a > confusion over the administration of areas for different functions > > Mangotsfield, whilst being in Gloucestershire was for census purposes under > Somerset as it was in the Keynsham registration area (as were several other > Parishes in Gloucestershire) > > Enumeration districts are based on registration districts which in turn were > based on poor law unions > > But the 1911 being in the householders own hand is more accurate to how they > thought of their birthplace, and there are rather a lot of them who thought > they were born in Bristol Somerset :-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 09/01/2014 10:43, Chris Jefferies wrote: >> Someone mentioned about the 1911 census listing somewhere in Bristol >> as in Somerset. In some cases this is the fault of FindMyPast and not the > census. >> When searching for my father in the 1911 census probably in >> Mangotsfield but somewhere in the Bristol area. I did what I always do >> and set the location to just "Gloucestershire" but no sign of him or >> any of his family. In desperation I eventually found him by searching >> under "England" and there the family were listed living in Mangotsfield, > SOMERSET. >> >> The problem is that Mangotsfield and several other Gloucestershire >> parishes to the east of the city are in Keynsham registration district >> and Keynsham is just over the border in Somerset so Findmypast listed >> all Keynsham parishes as in Somerset. On FreeBMD you can give the >> county as Gloucestershire or Somerset and you will get events in the >> Keynsham Registration District. Mangotsfield isn't in Bristol but it >> is an example of how parishes can be incorrectly given as Somerset. >> >> Chris Jefferies >> Cheltenham >> Glos > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris It is NOT the fault of findmypast. It is the same on Ancestry. The County is listed as per the Registration District. If you search Surname jefferies Keyword(s) mangotsfield you will find Mangotsfield Somerset as Residence, but Mangotsfield Glos as Birth Place, due to the fact that the County is inserted in the document for Birth Place, but is inferred for Place of Residence by the Registration District. Jim

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:39:21 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Susan SHEPPARD was born about 1830 in Mangotsfield. > Her father was John SHEPPARD a mason born in Mangotsfield about 1806. > The 1841 Census shows John and Latia (another spelling) living in > Mangotsfield Street, Mangotsfield with their children, including Susan > Sheppard. The 1851 Census shows Latia but no Susan and no John. Latia > describes herself as married. > I can find no record of the deaths of either John or Latia Sheppard (or > Shepherd) and no mention of them in any later Census records. Hi Millie, As John SHEPPARD was a mason perhaps, by 1851, he had gone to South Wales for work. Ian's 2x great-grandfather, who was born in Hanham, GLS, was a mason and he went to Monmouthshire, with his family, and was there for some years before returning to Hanham. I had a look for John SHEPPARD in an 1851 Glamorgan census index, but had no result. I also had a look for him in an 1851 census index for Trevethin and in an 1851 index for Aberystruth, both in Monmouthshire, without any result. He may have been elsewhere in Monmouthshire, though, at the time of the 1851 census. Josephine

It most certainly IS Findmypast who caused the problem because they cannot be bothered to do it correctly. There is no excuse for listing any Gloucestershire parish under Somerset. This is the location details from the transcription of the entry for my father in 1911. Reg. District: Keynsham Sub District: Kingswood Parish: Mangotsfield Enum. District: 9 Address: Victoria Street Staple Hill Near Bristol County: Somersetshire Three of the five Keynsham sub districts are in Gloucestershire. It would have take little effort to correctly identify parishes in the Kingswood, Bitton and Oldland sub districts correctly as being in Gloucestershire! Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 09 January 2014 13:06 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Bristol, a City and a County Hi Chris As the "someone" :-) On this occasion its not the fault of findmypast and is basically a confusion over the administration of areas for different functions Mangotsfield, whilst being in Gloucestershire was for census purposes under Somerset as it was in the Keynsham registration area (as were several other Parishes in Gloucestershire) Enumeration districts are based on registration districts which in turn were based on poor law unions But the 1911 being in the householders own hand is more accurate to how they thought of their birthplace, and there are rather a lot of them who thought they were born in Bristol Somerset :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/01/2014 10:43, Chris Jefferies wrote: > Someone mentioned about the 1911 census listing somewhere in Bristol > as in Somerset. In some cases this is the fault of FindMyPast and not the census. > When searching for my father in the 1911 census probably in > Mangotsfield but somewhere in the Bristol area. I did what I always do > and set the location to just "Gloucestershire" but no sign of him or > any of his family. In desperation I eventually found him by searching > under "England" and there the family were listed living in Mangotsfield, SOMERSET. > > The problem is that Mangotsfield and several other Gloucestershire > parishes to the east of the city are in Keynsham registration district > and Keynsham is just over the border in Somerset so Findmypast listed > all Keynsham parishes as in Somerset. On FreeBMD you can give the > county as Gloucestershire or Somerset and you will get events in the > Keynsham Registration District. Mangotsfield isn't in Bristol but it > is an example of how parishes can be incorrectly given as Somerset. > > Chris Jefferies > Cheltenham > Glos ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Josephine Thank you for that. She sounds a distinct possibility. Kind Regards Millie

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, > father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: > I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married > September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. Hi Sandy, When you get the 1837 marriage certificate, you should be able to find the occupation of Charles WHITE, the father of the groom, on it. If it was an unusual occupation and the groom's father was still alive at the time of the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you may be able to track him in the censuses using his occupation and eliminating all the other Charles WHITEs in Bristol with different occupations. It's a long shot, but, if it was an unusual occupation, you may be able to track the groom's baptism by looking at some of the baptisms of Charles WHITEs in Bristol in the early 19th century. If I remember correctly, most of the early-19th-century baptisms indexed by the B & A FHS (i.e. baptisms before 1813) don't give the father's occupation or address, but from around the middle of August 1773 to the end of September 1810 occupations and addresses were recorded in the registers of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. So if your Charles WHITE was baptized in this parish church, as was his wife, Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, there's a chance that more information could be found on your WHITE family. Josephine

Hi Millie & list, I am searching for a Jane SHEPHERD who married William GILLER/GELLER/GALER in c1750 Thanks Helen McNamara NZ On Friday, 10 January 2014 11:08 AM, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: Hello Josephine How kind of you to pursue John SHEPPARD for me.  It is certainly a possibility that he may have gone to Wales.  It is obviously a great advantage to know what was going on socially at the time when someone ‘goes missing’.  In fact, the social history of the area, especially relating to employment, gives a real insight into the sort of lives that our ancestors led.  Another thing I often ponder on is whether the different branches of my family knew each other.  The MILLARDs and BRACEYs are on my Dad’s side of the family and historically resided in the area of Mangotsfield and Staple Hill.  However, Susan SHEPPARD, from Mangotsfield,  was my mother’s great grandmother and married someone from Bristol and all of the remainder of my mother’s family originated in Somerset (Rowberrow and Winscombe).  I imagine that the BRACEYS, MILLARDS and SHEPPARDS, all from Mangotsfield, would very likely have known each other long before they became related by marriage.  What’s more, they very likely knew the ancestors of many of the contributors to this list! Thanks again Kind Regards Millie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:39:21 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Susan SHEPPARD was born about 1830 in Mangotsfield. She married > Emmanuel HARRIS in 1854. > Her father was John SHEPPARD a mason born in Mangotsfield about 1806. > John SHEPPARD married Latio (variously spelled latio, Latia, Lettia) in > 1824 at St. James Church > The 1841 Census shows John and Latia (another spelling) living in > Mangotsfield Street, Mangotsfield with their children, including Susan > Sheppard. > The 1851 Census shows Latia but no Susan and no John. Latia describes > herself as married. Hi Millie, If you haven't already found Susan SHEPPARD in the 1851 census, a possible match in the 1851 Bristol census could be Susan SHEPHERD (sic), who was 21 and born in Mangotsfield. This Susan SHEPHERD was a servant in the household of William BARTLEY in Picton Street, St. Andrew's, Bristol. Josephine

On 09/01/2014 13:59, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > I always knew the difference, though, even as a child. I used to enjoy > going up to a boundary marker for the City and County of Bristol and > putting one foot in Bristol and the other foot in Gloucestershire. > Josephine ------------------------------- Funny you should mention that as I used to do the same on the boundary between Bristol and Hanham at the bottom of Bryants Hill some 80 years ago..................Reg Harris > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No > virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: > 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6987 - Release Date: 01/08/14

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 23:12:33 -0000, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Josephine > Over many years it seems that many thousands of people considered that > they were born in Bristol, Somerset > So I can well understand someone entering Bristol Somerset in a family > bible, even if it never was, its how they thought of it Hi Nivard, You've reminded me that I used to give the wrong birthplace, when I was young and studying Welsh, because it was easier for people to understand Bryste (Bristol) than Sir Caergloyw (Gloucestershire). I always knew the difference, though, even as a child. I used to enjoy going up to a boundary marker for the City and County of Bristol and putting one foot in Bristol and the other foot in Gloucestershire. Josephine

Hi Chris As the "someone" :-) On this occasion its not the fault of findmypast and is basically a confusion over the administration of areas for different functions Mangotsfield, whilst being in Gloucestershire was for census purposes under Somerset as it was in the Keynsham registration area (as were several other Parishes in Gloucestershire) Enumeration districts are based on registration districts which in turn were based on poor law unions But the 1911 being in the householders own hand is more accurate to how they thought of their birthplace, and there are rather a lot of them who thought they were born in Bristol Somerset :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/01/2014 10:43, Chris Jefferies wrote: > Someone mentioned about the 1911 census listing somewhere in Bristol as in > Somerset. In some cases this is the fault of FindMyPast and not the census. > When searching for my father in the 1911 census probably in Mangotsfield but > somewhere in the Bristol area. I did what I always do and set the location > to just "Gloucestershire" but no sign of him or any of his family. In > desperation I eventually found him by searching under "England" and there > the family were listed living in Mangotsfield, SOMERSET. > > The problem is that Mangotsfield and several other Gloucestershire parishes > to the east of the city are in Keynsham registration district and Keynsham > is just over the border in Somerset so Findmypast listed all Keynsham > parishes as in Somerset. On FreeBMD you can give the county as > Gloucestershire or Somerset and you will get events in the Keynsham > Registration District. Mangotsfield isn't in Bristol but it is an example of > how parishes can be incorrectly given as Somerset. > > Chris Jefferies > Cheltenham > Glos

Hi Tony. Re your interest in the surname BEARD. Are you in touch with Alf B at all? He has a deep interest in that surname, he may be able to tell you a lot more about Henry Beard. If you'd like I can send him your email address (shown here) and copy of your posting and put you in touch. Send me a PM if you'd like me to contact him. Lisa (gene-genie) ----- Original message ----- From: bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 19 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:53:41 -0700 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Josephine Jeremiah) 2. Do you know a WWI hero? -- Bristol Post article (Josephine Jeremiah) 3. Bristol, a City and a County (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810) (Josephine Jeremiah) 4. BEARD (Tony Harrison) 5. LATCHAM farmers (Art & Marjorie Keates) 6. Re: BEARD (Josephine Jeremiah) 7. CHIDGEY, masons, Bristol, 18th & 19th centuries (was Helping other people with their family trees) (Josephine Jeremiah) 8. Re: BEARD (Tony Harrison) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:20:04 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9c2vtwc42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 06:03:56 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Now I see it. Top right (northeast?) corner of G3 on that map. > Thanks! I had read that it was replaced since then. Hi Sandy, Yes, Ellbroad Street was among Bristol's lost streets. You'll find a reference to it in the site, which Edna gave yesterday: Lost Bristol Streets http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/lost-streets.asp If you don't already have it, you may be interested in a captioned old photograph of Ellbroad Street, which shows pigs being herded along the street. http://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/8193527360/in/set-72157615751973326 Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:26:52 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Do you know a WWI hero? -- Bristol Post article To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9c262jp42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi Listers, My attention has been drawn to this Bristol Post article, which may be of interest to list members: Do you know a WWI hero? http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/know-WWI-hero/story-20412959-detail/story.html Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:18:59 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Bristol, a City and a County (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9c5lxmz42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > OK. Here are my details. > Elizabeth Sarah Stratford, born about 1810 in Bristol, Somerset, England Hi Sandy, Small point, but to be accurate, Bristol wasn't and isn't in Somerset. Bristol is a City and County in in its own right. Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, the daughter of Edmund and Elizabeth, was baptized, at the age of 17 weeks, on 6th. May 1810 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol so it is likely that she was born in that Bristol parish. At that time, the county of Somerset was on the other side of Bristol's River Avon. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 10:55:57 -0000 From: "Tony Harrison" <a.harrison@tesco.net> Subject: [B&S] BEARD To: "B&S" <Bristol_and_Somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AA472AD0131F405B8784FB30AA19B028@TonyPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Henry Beard b abt 1794 Somerset (1851 census) married a Frances sometime before 1815 after which they have 7 children born in Lyncombe Somerset and all baptised at St Thomas a Becket Widecombe Somerset a further child was born in Milk St Bath and was baptised at St Swithin Bath, Frances died in Holloway Lyncombe and was buried 28 Sep 1840 at St Thomas a Becket Widecombe. In 1841 Census Henry and 2 of his sons are to be found in Thomas Street Bristol. Henry remarries April 1842 at St Mary Redcliffe and shows his father as James Beard a Gunsmith Henry dies 1854 3Q but I do not have a burial for him. Any help in finding Henry's birth or burial or details of his marriage to Frances would be much appreciated. Tony ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:34:57 -0500 From: Art & Marjorie Keates <akeates@kingston.net> Subject: [B&S] LATCHAM farmers To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20140108081842.0165f258@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >When I sent the information about Wilfred Latcham, I didn't realize that >Heath House was an area of Wedmore, so I've found out something new. > >Possibly this Wilfred was the son of butcher Matthew Latcham, but I expect >you've already found that. > >Josephine Hi Josephine Yes, Wilfred was the son of Matthew Latcham and Alice nee Wall. I knew from his mother's will that Wilfred was a farmer but it's nice, I think, finding extra bits and pieces to add weight to what I have found along the way. I always like finding instances of farmers and gardeners because my father, in Canada, was a farmer and the land does seem to run throughout the broad family. Hope you are not experiencing the dreadful weather that is hitting so much of England...that you are not in danger of being flooded out. Marjorie ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:47:06 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] BEARD To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9de8sys42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:55:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Henry Beard b abt 1794 Somerset (1851 census) married a Frances sometime > before 1815 after which they have 7 children born in Lyncombe Somerset > and all baptised at St Thomas a Becket Widecombe Somerset a further > child was > born in Milk St Bath and was baptised at St Swithin Bath, Frances died in > Holloway Lyncombe and was buried 28 Sep 1840 at St Thomas a Becket > Widecombe. > Any help in finding Henry's birth or burial or details of his marriage > to Frances would be much appreciated. Hi Tony, I looked in the B & A FHS marriages for Somerset 1754-1837 and for Bristol 1754-1812 and 1813-1837 for a marriage between a Henry Beard and a Frances. I also looked in the Gloucestershire Marriage Index 1800-1837, but had no result. Perhaps Henry used another forename when he married the first time. Unfortunately there are a lot of Beard entries and on two of the CDs the brides' names are not included in the groom's index, so that searching for a Beard who married a Frances would mean looking through all the Beard entries in the different parishes. Even if a Beard, with a different forename, who married a Frances, was found in this way, the bride and groom might not be the couple you are researching. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:38:56 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] CHIDGEY, masons, Bristol, 18th & 19th centuries (was Helping other people with their family trees) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9dhm6n942w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:13:15 -0000, Cheryl and John <johnthebricky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Glad your back on track. I know how things are when you have an old > computer hope you can get the newer one working well again soon. Hi Cheryl, Thanks for your e-mail. My husband is making some progress with getting the newer computer going while I am still writing on the old one. I am getting used to the noise and the slow speed of the old one :-) > Still some gaps in the Chidgey family some of the sibling info needs > tracking down, but have found more Randall info most of the census with > the help of you and other and did make contact with a distant Chidgey > line. CHIDGEY is an unusual name, but I think I recall the name from my youth. It's likely that I went to school with someone with that name, but I can't recall anything about him other than the surname. But I do recall that the father your Louisa CHIDGEY was recorded as a mason at her baptism on 12th. September 1824 at the church of St. James, Bristol. I've come across the surname CHIDGEY in the B & A FHS Bristol Apprenticeship Books Vols 1(o) to 1 (z) Index & Transcripts 1724-2009. Henry CHIDGEY, whose father was James CHIDGEY, mason, of Bristol, was apprenticed to George JONES, mason, on 1st. August 1812. (George's wife was Hannah) If you don't already have these two CHIDGEYs who were masons, they may fit in your tree somewhere. And here's another CHIDGEY mason, whom you probably have but nothing ventured nothing gained: Robert CHIDGEY, mason, Horfield-lane, was in the First Company of the Bristol Volunteers in 1798. He was listed in the following: The Rise, Progress & Military Improvement of the Bristol Volunteers with an Alphabetical List of the Officers and Privates correctly arranged by James Brown, Serj. of the 10th Comp. published by W. Matthews, at No. 62, Broadmead, 1798. Some information about the Bristol volunteers is on the following web page: http://fishponds.org.uk/revwar.html Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:52:55 -0000 From: "Tony Harrison" <a.harrison@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [B&S] BEARD To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FF2AB94251E1448EBD0829811765326D@TonyPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Josephine Thank you for looking. I have tried looking for a baptism using James as his fathern which I tend to believe as his eldest son was named James who unfortunately died in 1828 but Henry again named his last child as James. I have tried looking at early trade directories for a Beard Gunsmith named James without success. I am sure he will surface at some time. A Henry Beard married a Francis Harden 20th December, 1807 at St. Martins, Salisbury, Wilts. but have not found any children for them and my Henry and Frances were having children from 1815 to 1833 but will try a post on a Wiltshire board. Regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:47 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] BEARD On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 10:55:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Henry Beard b abt 1794 Somerset (1851 census) married a Frances sometime > before 1815 after which they have 7 children born in Lyncombe Somerset > and all baptised at St Thomas a Becket Widecombe Somerset a further > child was > born in Milk St Bath and was baptised at St Swithin Bath, Frances died in > Holloway Lyncombe and was buried 28 Sep 1840 at St Thomas a Becket > Widecombe. > Any help in finding Henry's birth or burial or details of his marriage > to Frances would be much appreciated. Hi Tony, I looked in the B & A FHS marriages for Somerset 1754-1837 and for Bristol 1754-1812 and 1813-1837 for a marriage between a Henry Beard and a Frances. I also looked in the Gloucestershire Marriage Index 1800-1837, but had no result. Perhaps Henry used another forename when he married the first time. Unfortunately there are a lot of Beard entries and on two of the CDs the brides' names are not included in the groom's index, so that searching for a Beard who married a Frances would mean looking through all the Beard entries in the different parishes. Even if a Beard, with a different forename, who married a Frances, was found in this way, the bride and groom might not be the couple you are researching. 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Hi Lisa I was not aware of the Huguenots in Kidderminster. Mine were in Ireland and Spitalfields in London. Tony -----Original Message----- From: gene.genie@4email.net Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 11:57 AM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Hi Tony, Re Huguenots in Bristol- were you aware that there was a quite large community in Kidderminster Worcs? A friend of mine has links to the surname FLINN/FLYNN there. Lisa ----- Original message ----- From: bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:24:20 -0700 Today's Topics: 1. Re: French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) (Tony Harrison) 2. Samuel STRATFORD, baptism, 1807, burial, 1808, Bristol (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Josephine Jeremiah) 3. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Jan R) 4. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Kelvin Binding) 5. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Sandy Gianni) 6. Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Josephine Jeremiah) 7. Re: Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Sandy Gianni) 8. Lost Streets of Bristol (liverpud) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:58:31 -0000 From: "Tony Harrison" <a.harrison@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [B&S] French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <61B99C1EF5A54CAF9BDADC273B4E4DEB@TonyPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Josephine Lodowykus Mondet who was buried at Temple Church 22 June 1756 was a Huguenot merchant from Dublin who I presume was in Bristol on business. He is fom my wife's ancestors. In my family we have several Silk Weaver Huguenots I met a cousin who said her grandmother told her about our common gg grandmother speaking to her in French while sitting spinning. Tony ---Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:35 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:04:42 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in > Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some > listers: > The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is > every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:53:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Josephine > They seem to have omitted French as there was quite an influx of > Huguenots in Bristol Hi Tony, French may have been omitted because Britain was at war with France in 1793 or because the three languages mentioned were the ones spoken the most by the inhabitants of Bristol at the time. In 1793-4 there was a chapel in Orchard Street for French Protestants in which divine service was performed every Sunday in French. There was also a French School for Young Ladies in Kingsdown run by Ann Gautier. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 18:00:21 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Samuel STRATFORD, baptism, 1807, burial, 1808, Bristol (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9bwav1242w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, Edmund and Elizabeth STRATFORD had another baby, Samuel, baptized on 4th. January 1807 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Age at baptism was 15 weeks. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher, the same as for the baptism of Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Samuel STRATFORD, aged 18 months, was buried on 15th. April 1808 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. This burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 18:17:29 +0000 From: Jan R <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: Rootsweb Bristol & Somerset <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB110-W12786A62CAEB959F44FE1D786B60@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a?child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex?County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24?January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926? > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 18:34:33 +0000 From: Kelvin Binding <kelvin@muchbinding.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Cc: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANV3Gk_oqznhRBtB193u3V9YWk8V1pMHVRw0=1EVWQtaKYw1Sg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark Stock was probably born in Basildon, Essex . Kelvin Binding from Essex ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:54:06 -0500 From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <32F84DF2364E4CB098A3087160B09240@Sandysdell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thank you. I should have caught that. I have seen Basildon in records. This was from a transcription and when I look at the record, I think it was misspelled on the census form. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & Somerset" <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 22:52:17 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9b9tfju42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad > Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. Hi Sandy, This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map dating from 1910 shown here: http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:03:51 -0500 From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9BCE798CE4234B1E90571D12E5ACC113@Sandysdell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, I've seen that article. I am unable to find the street on the map. Could you give me a number and letter to narrow it down? : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad >> Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. > > Hi Sandy, > > This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, > Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: > > http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf > > You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map > dating from 1910 shown here: > > http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm > > Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:24:21 -0500 From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> Subject: [B&S] Lost Streets of Bristol To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3DF0392FBB4148B7B79E581A5E87FE97@Edna> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/lost-streets.asp A good site. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------ To contact the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 *************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Jane Elizabeth White born 18 July 1845 in Bristol, Somerset, England > I have not found death information for Jane's mother Elizabeth Sarah > Stratford White, and next to no information for her father, Charles > White. Hi Sandy, Have you found burial information for Elizabeth STRATFORD, your great-grandmother Jane's grandmother? If not, a possible match could be Elizabeth STRATFORD, aged 66, who was buried on 18th. February 1842 at St. Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol. Going by the age recorded at burial, she was born c.1776. If this is the right Elizabeth STRATFORD, the wife of your 3x great-grandfather, Edmund STRATFORD, she could have been around 27 years old when the STRATFORD/SULLY marriage took place in 1803 at the church of St. James, Bristol. St. Mary Redcliffe Church was where Jane Elizabeth WHITE, daughter of Charles and Elizabeth Sarah WHITE was baptized on 21st. September 1845. The information about Elizabeth STRATFORD's burial and Jane Elizabeth WHITE's baptism can be found on FamilySearch: https://familysearch.org/ Josephine

Hi Tony, Re Huguenots in Bristol- were you aware that there was a quite large community in Kidderminster Worcs? A friend of mine has links to the surname FLINN/FLYNN there. Lisa ----- Original message ----- From: bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:24:20 -0700 Today's Topics: 1. Re: French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) (Tony Harrison) 2. Samuel STRATFORD, baptism, 1807, burial, 1808, Bristol (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Josephine Jeremiah) 3. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Jan R) 4. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Kelvin Binding) 5. Re: Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) (Sandy Gianni) 6. Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Josephine Jeremiah) 7. Re: Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) (Sandy Gianni) 8. Lost Streets of Bristol (liverpud) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:58:31 -0000 From: "Tony Harrison" <a.harrison@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [B&S] French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <61B99C1EF5A54CAF9BDADC273B4E4DEB@TonyPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Josephine Lodowykus Mondet who was buried at Temple Church 22 June 1756 was a Huguenot merchant from Dublin who I presume was in Bristol on business. He is fom my wife's ancestors. In my family we have several Silk Weaver Huguenots I met a cousin who said her grandmother told her about our common gg grandmother speaking to her in French while sitting spinning. Tony ---Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:35 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] French in Bristol in the late 18th century ( was Welsh people and Welsh language in Bristol ....) On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:04:42 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > There is reference to people from Wales and the Welsh language in > Matthew's Bristol Directory of 1793-4, which may be of interest to some > listers: > The languages spoken commonly, are English, Welsh and Irish; and there is > every dialect of English used here that is known in England.' On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:53:57 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi Josephine > They seem to have omitted French as there was quite an influx of > Huguenots in Bristol Hi Tony, French may have been omitted because Britain was at war with France in 1793 or because the three languages mentioned were the ones spoken the most by the inhabitants of Bristol at the time. In 1793-4 there was a chapel in Orchard Street for French Protestants in which divine service was performed every Sunday in French. There was also a French School for Young Ladies in Kingsdown run by Ann Gautier. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 18:00:21 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Samuel STRATFORD, baptism, 1807, burial, 1808, Bristol (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9bwav1242w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, Edmund and Elizabeth STRATFORD had another baby, Samuel, baptized on 4th. January 1807 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Age at baptism was 15 weeks. Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher, the same as for the baptism of Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Samuel STRATFORD, aged 18 months, was buried on 15th. April 1808 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. This burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 18:17:29 +0000 From: Jan R <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: Rootsweb Bristol & Somerset <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB110-W12786A62CAEB959F44FE1D786B60@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a?child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex?County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24?January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926? > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 18:34:33 +0000 From: Kelvin Binding <kelvin@muchbinding.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Cc: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CANV3Gk_oqznhRBtB193u3V9YWk8V1pMHVRw0=1EVWQtaKYw1Sg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark Stock was probably born in Basildon, Essex . Kelvin Binding from Essex ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:54:06 -0500 From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <32F84DF2364E4CB098A3087160B09240@Sandysdell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thank you. I should have caught that. I have seen Basildon in records. This was from a transcription and when I look at the record, I think it was misspelled on the census form. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan R" <tartania99@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Rootsweb Bristol & Somerset" <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810 (newbie here) > On 14 March 1875, "Jennie" Cherry married Mark Stock who had > arrived as a child in the USA 25 October 1858 having been born in > Basseldom, Essex County, England 09 February 09 1847. He died > in Gowanda, NY, USA 24 January 1916 and she died 16 January 1926 > in Buffalo, NY, USA. > Hi Sandy, I don't know if you've already discovered this but there's no such place as Basseldom in Essex. It's Basildon. Almost certainly someone must have heard the name and guessed at the spelling. (Sorry folks for being off topic for this list but I just thought I'd mention it.) Regards, Jan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 22:52:17 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.w9b9tfju42w82j@glasydorlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad > Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. Hi Sandy, This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map dating from 1910 shown here: http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. Josephine ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:03:51 -0500 From: "Sandy Gianni" <slgianni@newkenmore.com> Subject: Re: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9BCE798CE4234B1E90571D12E5ACC113@Sandysdell> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, I've seen that article. I am unable to find the street on the map. Could you give me a number and letter to narrow it down? : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [B&S] Ellbroad Street, Bristol (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> There are court records for Edmund Stratford of Allbroad >> Street, Bristol. He had debt problems. > > Hi Sandy, > > This was Ellbroad Street in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > You've probably already seen this, but there's a reference to butcher, > Edmund Stratford, late of Ellbroad-Street, in The London Gazette: > > http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18584/pages/1105/page.pdf > > You can find what was the position of Ellbroad Street on the Bristol map > dating from 1910 shown here: > > http://contueor.com/baedeker/great_britain/bristol.htm > > Ellbroad Street is shown as Elbroad Street in grid squares 3G and 3H. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:24:21 -0500 From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> Subject: [B&S] Lost Streets of Bristol To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3DF0392FBB4148B7B79E581A5E87FE97@Edna> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/lost-streets.asp A good site. 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Someone mentioned about the 1911 census listing somewhere in Bristol as in Somerset. In some cases this is the fault of FindMyPast and not the census. When searching for my father in the 1911 census probably in Mangotsfield but somewhere in the Bristol area. I did what I always do and set the location to just "Gloucestershire" but no sign of him or any of his family. In desperation I eventually found him by searching under "England" and there the family were listed living in Mangotsfield, SOMERSET. The problem is that Mangotsfield and several other Gloucestershire parishes to the east of the city are in Keynsham registration district and Keynsham is just over the border in Somerset so Findmypast listed all Keynsham parishes as in Somerset. On FreeBMD you can give the county as Gloucestershire or Somerset and you will get events in the Keynsham Registration District. Mangotsfield isn't in Bristol but it is an example of how parishes can be incorrectly given as Somerset. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 08 January 2014 22:54 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Bristol, a City and a County On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:51:37 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > I've wondered if Bristol had been in Somerset. Thank you. This is > the way it was written in my grandmother's family Bible. We'll never > know how it was that she thought that, I guess. Grandma was the only > daughter and her mother was older when Grandma was born. Hi Sandy, Your family once lived in Bedminster, across the River Avon from Bristol, and Bedminster used to be in the county of Somerset so that may be why Somerset was written in your family Bible. The matter of Somerset and Bristol and Bristol being a City and a County has been discussed on this list before: When a question was asked if Bristol was in both Somerset and Gloucestershire, Stan Mapstone sent a reply to the list, on 3rd. November 2006, which may help clarify the matter. This can be found in the Bristol_and_Somerset archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/bristol_and_somerset/2006-11/1 162573314 Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:38:27 -0000, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Whilst Bristol may not be in Somerset, a great many people appear to > think that it was (and is to some extent) > Many records state Bristol Somerset as a birth place for example > Whilst a few might be put down to ignorance there are so many that it > was and probably still is thought that Bristol is in Somerset Hi Nivard and Listers, When I used to go to old postcard fairs there were some occasions when dealers had Bristol postcards in the same section as Somerset postcards. Somerset is large so wading through a great heap of Somerset cards to find Bristol ones was time consuming. Many dealers put Bristol cards in their Gloucestershire sections, which weren't so large. However, a number of dealers placed their Bristol cards in sections devoted to Bristol only and that was much better when sifting through thousands of cards in a day at an old postcard fair. Josephine

On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:49:11 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Thank you for this information on Samuel, Josephine. May I put it on my > Ancestry.com tree and, if so, how can I credit you as a source? Hi Sandy, There's no need to credit me, though thank you for the thought. The Bristol & Avon Family History Society is the source of the information on the 1807 baptism and the 1808 burial of Samuel STRATFORD. The baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by the Bristol & Avon Family History Society. The burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by the Bristol & Avon Family History Society. You can find information about these resources at www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

Thank you for this information on Samuel, Josephine. May I put it on my Ancestry.com tree and, if so, how can I credit you as a source? Sandy Sheldon Gianni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:00 PM Subject: [B&S] Samuel STRATFORD, baptism, 1807, burial, 1808, Bristol (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be >> Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in >> St. James, Bristol. > > Hi Sandy, > > Edmund and Elizabeth STRATFORD had another baby, Samuel, baptized on 4th. > January 1807 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Age at > baptism was 15 weeks. > > Abode was Narrow Plain and father's occupation was butcher, the same as > for the baptism of Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD. > > This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to > 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Samuel STRATFORD, aged 18 months, was buried on 15th. April 1808 at the > church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > This burial is included in Bristol Diocese Burial Registers Vol. 3 Index & > Transcripts 1754-1812. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandy, I think most people researching Bristol sooner or later come up against the problem of which County to search. When I started out, I asked the Bristol Record Office about it, and received this very nice answer, which I'll quote in full: "Bristol became a county by Charter of Edward III on 8 August 1373 and remained so until 1 April 1974. The records of Bristol are kept here at Bristol Record Office. Over the years there were various city boundary extensions; for example Bedminster which originally lay in Somerset came to be included within Bristol in 1835 and a similar extension took in Knowle and Totterdown in 1897. Therefore if you wanted, for example, a Register of Electors for Knowle for 1880 it would be at Somerset but for 1920 it would be at Bristol. Somerset Record Office is at Obridge Road, Taunton TA2 7PU. There is a similar situation on the Gloucestershire side of the city: Westbury-on-Trym, for example, was included in Bristol by a boundary extension of 1904 so once again a Register of Electors for, say, 1900, would be at Gloucester Record Office, Clarence Row, Alvin Street, Gloucester, Gloucs. GL1 3DW whereas one for 1930 would be here at Bristol Record Office. Although this is all quite logical, I do understand how confusing it can seem when you are new to Family History! To determine which repository you need it is important to state the *type* of record, *date* and *place* that you want when you pose your question otherwise there is a chance of misunderstandings. For family history often church records need to be used; the churches had their own boundaries, Circuits for the Methodist church, Dioceses and Deaneries for the Church of England. The various Circuit records deposited here in Bristol Record Office include those for places in Somerset such as Cheddar or Weston-super-Mare. The Church of England boundaries are different and mean that we hold parish registers for churches both in Bristol itself and for an area to the north and east roughly bounded by Marshfield, Yate and Littleton on Severn. When indexers compile indexes of records for the benefit of other family historians it is entirely up to them how they arrange them. Bristol and Avon Family History Society divided its "1754-1837 Marriage Index" into two sections: North Somerset is one, Bristol and South Gloucestershire the other. The LDS church includes Bristol for convenience under Gloucestershire in the IGI. I hope this has done something to explain the difficulties you have been experiencing. As your research progresses I am sure you find that some of the problems resolve themselves but I have to add that after very many years of professional work in this field I still need to check up factual points of date and place regarding records on virtually a daily basis. It really is not a subject on which there can ever be a simple answer because of the way that local administrative and religious history has evolved over the years." Note that the reference to Obridge Road is now out of date. Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire (although I'm a true Bristolian who is probably a little geographically challenged, Nivard ;-) -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Gianni Sent: 08 January 2014 18:52 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Bristol, a City and a County (Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, baptism, Pip & Jay, Bristol 1810) I've wondered if Bristol had been in Somerset. Thank you. This is the way it was written in my grandmother's family Bible. We'll never know how it was that she thought that, I guess. Grandma was the only daughter and her mother was older when Grandma was born. Oh, the questions we would ask NOW that we didn't even know we had when we were younger. Most of us are too busy learning to live life when we are younger to even think of asking these questions. My grandmothers both died within a couple of years of my own marriage. And our children are too busy to really pay attention to what I am learning. The cycle of life... Sandy Sheldon Gianni