HI Josephine In case it helps in 1871 census his father is shown as William born Bridport aged 60 his mother Susan born Ashburton evon aged 50. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:26 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] George MOLTON, birthplace recorded in the 1891 census, please Hi Listers, I don't have access to the censuses, but I do have the B & A FHS 1891 Bristol, Bedminster, St. Philip & Jacob census surname index, on microfiche, in which I have found a MOLTON family living in St. Philip & St. Jacob Out. George, 41, Sarah M., 37, Catherine M.A., 13, Ada E., 6 Can anyone give me the birthplace of George MOLTON, please? I am hoping that George's birthplace was in Allington or Bridport, Dorset as the birth of George MOULTON (sic) was registered at Bridport in the June quarter of 1849. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:30:38 -0000, parsons james <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Bridport That was very quick!! :-) Thanks very much, Jim. Just what I wanted. I can now see that the 12-year-old George MOLTON, whom I've found in an 1861 online census, is the one in Bristol in 1891. Josephine

Hi Josephine In 1891 it does say Bridport but in previous census he is shown as born Allington Dorset Hope this helps Tony -----Original Message----- From: parsons james Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:30 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] George MOLTON, birthplace recorded in the 1891 census,please Bridport On 10 January 2014 20:26, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > Hi Listers, > > I don't have access to the censuses, but I do have the B & A FHS 1891 > Bristol, Bedminster, St. Philip & Jacob census surname index, on > microfiche, in which I have found a MOLTON family living in St. Philip & > St. Jacob Out. > > George, 41, Sarah M., 37, Catherine M.A., 13, Ada E., 6 > > Can anyone give me the birthplace of George MOLTON, please? > > I am hoping that George's birthplace was in Allington or Bridport, Dorset > as the birth of George MOULTON (sic) was registered at Bridport in the > June quarter of 1849. > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bridport On 10 January 2014 20:26, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > Hi Listers, > > I don't have access to the censuses, but I do have the B & A FHS 1891 > Bristol, Bedminster, St. Philip & Jacob census surname index, on > microfiche, in which I have found a MOLTON family living in St. Philip & > St. Jacob Out. > > George, 41, Sarah M., 37, Catherine M.A., 13, Ada E., 6 > > Can anyone give me the birthplace of George MOLTON, please? > > I am hoping that George's birthplace was in Allington or Bridport, Dorset > as the birth of George MOULTON (sic) was registered at Bridport in the > June quarter of 1849. > > Josephine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, I don't have access to the censuses, but I do have the B & A FHS 1891 Bristol, Bedminster, St. Philip & Jacob census surname index, on microfiche, in which I have found a MOLTON family living in St. Philip & St. Jacob Out. George, 41, Sarah M., 37, Catherine M.A., 13, Ada E., 6 Can anyone give me the birthplace of George MOLTON, please? I am hoping that George's birthplace was in Allington or Bridport, Dorset as the birth of George MOULTON (sic) was registered at Bridport in the June quarter of 1849. Josephine

Hi David As far as I can see the site you posted is a paid for site Both items you mention can be accessed, either read online or downloaded *entirely without charge* at www.archive.org Abstracts of Somersetshire wills, etc., copied from the manuscript collections of the late Rev. Frederick Brown (1887) Calendar of wills and administrations in the Court of the Archdeacon of Taunton. 1537-1799. (1912) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/01/2014 19:51, David Caisley wrote: > This was sent to Bristol and District list in error, please excuse my > addled brain. > > I am pretty new to this list, so forgive me if you already know about it, > but I have been given access to the enclosed, > > Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills copied from collections of the late Rev. > Fredrick Brown 1851-1922 > > Also is the following :- Calendar of Wills and Administrations in the Court > of the Archdeacon of Taunton 1537-1799 > > I thought it might be of interest > > kindest regards > > David

This was sent to Bristol and District list in error, please excuse my addled brain. I am pretty new to this list, so forgive me if you already know about it, but I have been given access to the enclosed, Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills copied from collections of the late Rev. Fredrick Brown 1851-1922 https://en.geneanet.org/archives/ouvrages/index.php?action=detail&livre_id=533848&page=2&book_type=livre&search_type=livre&context=catalog&titre=wills&tk=704b137fa311c28f Also is the following :- Calendar of Wills and Administrations in the Court of the Archdeacon of Taunton 1537-1799 http://en.geneanet.org/archives/ouvrages/index.php?action=detail&livre_id=534815&page=2&book_type=livre&search_type=livre&context=catalog&titre=wills&tk=c61a9edafe141fe6 I thought it might be of interest kindest regards David

Thanks. I think I may have seen a reference to this in Familysearch but had no way to look at the record. I wish Charles White weren't such a common name. The Charles White, coachmaker, that I found in the 1841 census was with a Margaret White who was probably his wife, though relationships are not given. Others are in St. Mary Redcliffe in some censuses so this is rather likely. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <BWsearches@aol.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Charles WHITE brick wall, Bristol,19th C (was Elizabeth Sarah STR... > Hi Sandy and List > > There is a baptism at St Mary Redcliffe , Bristol, on 24 June 1810 for > Charles, son of Charles and Mary White. This is the actual record in the > parish register. The entry is very clear but no further information is > provided. > > Kind regards > > > > Bev > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Charles WHITE brick wall, Bristol, 19th C (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:46 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you, Josephine. I went and got the marriage certificate and saw >> the occupation of CharlesWhite, the father of Charles White, was >> Coachmaker. I went to my Ancestry tree and had alreadyentered that >> information and had already found his father in the 1841 census. I'd >> forgotten. > >> The family, without son Charles, was on Somerset Street one page of the >> census (image 7 of 28)before Elizabeth White and her sister Jane >> Stratford (image 8 of 28). > >> I'm trying to find anything about the birth or death of Charles White, >> husband of Elizabeth SarahStratford. > > Hi Sandy, > > Who was in the household of the elder Charles WHITE in the 1841 census and > what were their ages? Chas White 55 Margaret White 56 Elizabeth White 20 Sarah White 5 Of course, the relationship is not given. Son Charles would probably have been about 31 at this point. So the span in ages of children would have been wide, if these two were also their children. > > Were the people in the household of the elder Charles WHITE born in county > or not? > All were born in county > This information is important in trying to find the baptism of the younger > Charles WHITE because if his mother and any younger siblings were listed > in the 1841 census with his father, the elder Charles WHITE, then baptisms > for any younger children with father's occupation coachmaker could perhaps > be found. > > These possible baptisms could perhaps lead to the baptism of the younger > Charles WHITE, your brickwall, if the WHITE family used the same church or > a nearby church for their children's baptisms. > > Was the elder Charles WHITE recorded as coachmaker in the 1841 census as > well as on the 1837 marriage certificate? Yes, that's why I assumed that I had the right Charles White. Though White is such a common name that it is possible that there might be more than one Charles White in that area who was a coachmaker. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sandy and List There is a baptism at St Mary Redcliffe , Bristol, on 24 June 1810 for Charles, son of Charles and Mary White. This is the actual record in the parish register. The entry is very clear but no further information is provided. Kind regards Bev

Hello Millie, Your post about your Sheppard and Millard ancestors from Mangotsfield caught my attention due to an interesting coincidence (?) with my family tree. My paternal grandfather's sister, Elizabeth Ann LOVELL b1881 Ashwick SOM married William George SHEPPARD (b1878 Shepton Mallet SOM) in Clutton SOM 1900. However William's father and grandfather were from Wells SOM. William died in 1906 following a work accident, and Elizabeth then married Robert William MILLARD (b1887 Shepton Mallet SOM) at Clutton in 1908. Elizabeth's children were Alice, Elsie and Doris SHEPPARD, and Arthur and Ivan MILLARD. It sounds as though the Sheppards and Millards were like my Lovells and Fears in that they keep popping up together! Cheers, Lyn ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:06:33 -0000 From: "MillieB&D" <millie@reallyhelpful.info> Subject: [B&S] John SHEPPARD To: "bristol_and_somerset" <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FBDA79910E5B4BA0A746EE85F9BCB654@scarlatti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Josephine How kind of you to pursue John SHEPPARD for me. It is certainly a possibility that he may have gone to Wales. It is obviously a great advantage to know what was going on socially at the time when someone ?goes missing?. In fact, the social history of the area, especially relating to employment, gives a real insight into the sort of lives that our ancestors led. Another thing I often ponder on is whether the different branches of my family knew each other. The MILLARDs and BRACEYs are on my Dad?s side of the family and historically resided in the area of Mangotsfield and Staple Hill. However, Susan SHEPPARD, from Mangotsfield, was my mother?s great grandmother and married someone from Bristol and all of the remainder of my mother?s family originated in Somerset (Rowberrow and Winscombe). I imagine that the BRACEYS, MILLARDS and SHEPPARDS, all from Mangotsfield, would very likely have known each other long before they became related by marriage. What?s more, they very likely knew the ancestors of many of the contributors to this list! Thanks again Kind Regards Millie ------------------------------

Hello Helen, Lyn and Listers I have made no connection so far with a Jane SHEPHERD who married GILLER/GELLER/GALER nor with Lyn’s family in Somerset. However, I still have masses of research to do and so one day may find that there is a relationship. Happy hunting Regards Millie

Hi I believe they married in Bath. Not very helpful am I Helen On Friday, 10 January 2014 11:12 PM, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:28:16 -0000, Helen Mcnamara  <hennymac1941@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Millie & list, I am searching for a Jane SHEPHERD who married William  > GILLER/GELLER/GALER in c1750 Hi Helen, Where do you think the marriage of Jane SHEPHERD and William GILLER could  have taken place? Where did William GILLER and his wife, Jane, live after their marriage? Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:28:16 -0000, Helen Mcnamara <hennymac1941@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Millie & list, I am searching for a Jane SHEPHERD who married William > GILLER/GELLER/GALER in c1750 Hi Helen, Where do you think the marriage of Jane SHEPHERD and William GILLER could have taken place? Where did William GILLER and his wife, Jane, live after their marriage? Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:46 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Thank you, Josephine. I went and got the marriage certificate and saw > the occupation of CharlesWhite, the father of Charles White, was > Coachmaker. I went to my Ancestry tree and had alreadyentered that > information and had already found his father in the 1841 census. I'd > forgotten. > The family, without son Charles, was on Somerset Street one page of the > census (image 7 of 28)before Elizabeth White and her sister Jane > Stratford (image 8 of 28). > I'm trying to find anything about the birth or death of Charles White, > husband of Elizabeth SarahStratford. Hi Sandy, Who was in the household of the elder Charles WHITE in the 1841 census and what were their ages? Were the people in the household of the elder Charles WHITE born in county or not? This information is important in trying to find the baptism of the younger Charles WHITE because if his mother and any younger siblings were listed in the 1841 census with his father, the elder Charles WHITE, then baptisms for any younger children with father's occupation coachmaker could perhaps be found. These possible baptisms could perhaps lead to the baptism of the younger Charles WHITE, your brickwall, if the WHITE family used the same church or a nearby church for their children's baptisms. Was the elder Charles WHITE recorded as coachmaker in the 1841 census as well as on the 1837 marriage certificate? Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:34:46 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > By the way, in the 1871 census in Bedminster, birthplace of Jane Cherry > is listed as Bristol, Somerset while her mother and aunt in the same > household are listed as Bristol, "Gloster" It appears that there was > some > disagreement in the family or else they agreed that Jane Elizabeth White > was born in a part of Bristol that was in Somerset. Hi Sandy, I think that Bristol, Somerset was recorded as Janes CHERRY's birthplace because her birth, as Jane Elizabeth WHITE, was registered in the September quarter of 1845 in Bedminster and people were still thinking of Bedminster as being in Somerset. Josephine

On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be > Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in > St. James, Bristol. Hi Sandy, I looked for a Bristol baptism for Elizabeth SULLY with no result, but a possible match could be that of Betty SULLY as the names Betty and Elizabeth were sometimes used for the same person. Betty SULLY, the daughter of William and Sarah SULLY, was baptized on 26th. January 1772 at St. Stephen's Church, Bristol. Father's occupation was cordwainer and abode was St. Stephen's Lane. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 11 to 14 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk This Betty SULLY could be a possible match for Elizabeth STRATFORD, aged 66, who was buried on 18th. February 1842 at St. Mary Redcliffe Church, Bristol. The 1772 baptism of Betty SULLY would indicate that her age would be about 70 if she died in 1842, but ages recorded at death or burial weren't always accurate. Anyway, it's perhaps food for thought even though it may be a long shot. Josephine

Hello Josephine How kind of you to pursue John SHEPPARD for me. It is certainly a possibility that he may have gone to Wales. It is obviously a great advantage to know what was going on socially at the time when someone ‘goes missing’. In fact, the social history of the area, especially relating to employment, gives a real insight into the sort of lives that our ancestors led. Another thing I often ponder on is whether the different branches of my family knew each other. The MILLARDs and BRACEYs are on my Dad’s side of the family and historically resided in the area of Mangotsfield and Staple Hill. However, Susan SHEPPARD, from Mangotsfield, was my mother’s great grandmother and married someone from Bristol and all of the remainder of my mother’s family originated in Somerset (Rowberrow and Winscombe). I imagine that the BRACEYS, MILLARDS and SHEPPARDS, all from Mangotsfield, would very likely have known each other long before they became related by marriage. What’s more, they very likely knew the ancestors of many of the contributors to this list! Thanks again Kind Regards Millie

Hi List, Does anyone possess a digital image of an old Bristol will which has a pictorial header on it of several ships sailing on the sea? I remember going through a Bristol Will microfilm and many of them had a beautiful image at the top, but perhaps it was only used for mariner's wills? I have to rewrite my own will and have always wanted to recreate that image on my own will for posterity! Often it is problematic printing a good quality image from a microfilm reader, in fact I've never seen a particularly good one! But it's worth a try in case your library technology is better than ours here! Amanda Kerby NZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [B&S] Charles WHITE brick wall, Bristol, 19th C (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> OK. Here are my details. My brick wall at the moment is Charles White, >> father of Jane Elizabeth White, my great grandmother: > >> I have sent for her parents' marriage record and they were married >> September 10, 1837 in St. Philips and St. Jacobs in Bristol. > > Hi Sandy, > > When you get the 1837 marriage certificate, you should be able to find the > occupation of Charles WHITE, the father of the groom, on it. > > If it was an unusual occupation and the groom's father was still alive at > the time of the 1841 and 1851 censuses, you may be able to track him in > the censuses using his occupation and eliminating all the other Charles > WHITEs in Bristol with different occupations. > > It's a long shot, but, if it was an unusual occupation, you may be able to > track the groom's baptism by looking at some of the baptisms of Charles > WHITEs in Bristol in the early 19th century. > > If I remember correctly, most of the early-19th-century baptisms indexed > by the B & A FHS (i.e. baptisms before 1813) don't give the father's > occupation or address, but from around the middle of August 1773 to the > end of September 1810 occupations and addresses were recorded in the > registers of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. > > So if your Charles WHITE was baptized in this parish church, as was his > wife, Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD, there's a chance that more information > could be found on your WHITE family. > > Josephine Thank you, Josephine. I went and got the marriage certificate and saw the occupation of Charles White, the father of Charles White, was Coachmaker. I went to my Ancestry tree and had already entered that information and had already found his father in the 1841 census. I'd forgotten. : ( The family, without son Charles, was on Somerset Street one page of the census (image 7 of 28) before Elizabeth White and her sister Jane Stratford (image 8 of 28). I'm trying to find anything about the birth or death of Charles White, husband of Elizabeth Sarah Stratford. FreeBMD starts at 1837, just in time for their wedding, which I see multiple times in FamilySearch. By the 1861 census, Elizabeth is listed as a widow. By the way, in the 1871 census in Bedminster, birthplace of Jane Cherry is listed as Bristol, Somerset while her mother and aunt in the same household are listed as Bristol, "Gloster" It appears that there was some disagreement in the family or else they agreed that Jane Elizabeth White was born in a part of Bristol that was in Somerset. Sandy Sheldon Gianni