----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:08 PM Subject: [B&S] Edmund STRATFORD, baptism, Siston, GLS, 1760 ( was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:31:42 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Parents of Jane Sully Stratford and Elizabeth Sarah Stratford seem to be >> Edmund Stratford, butcher, and Elizabeth Sully, married 7 July 1803 in >> St. James, Bristol. > > Hi Sandy, > > This may be a long shot, but there is a baptism for an Edmund STRATFORD at > Siston, GLS. > > Edmund STRATFORD, son of Samuel and Ann, was baptized on 5th. October 1760 > at Siston. > > This baptism is included in the Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. > 11 to 14 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by the Bristol & Avon > Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > I mention this baptism because your Edmund STRATFORD had a son called > Samuel, who may have been named for Edmund's father. > > However, if this was the same Edmund STRATFORD who married in 1803, the > groom would have been in his 40s at the time of the marriage. > > Josephine > I believe that Edmund Stratford died in the January-February-March quarter of 1850 in Bristol according to the BMD. Is this record in the transcriptions? (If he had been born in 1860, he would have been 90 by then) Sandy Sheldon Gianni

Hi Listers, This BBC article may be of interest to list members: WW1 soldier diaries placed online by National Archives http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25716569 Josephine

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:54:29 -0000, Cheryl and John <johnthebricky@hotmail.com> wrote: > I wonder if Henry you found is an uncle or great uncle to my Louisa? I > didn't have that info. Info on my James is still a bit thin i only have > that a possible parents are James and Elizabeth from what you also found > on the B & AFHS Marriage index. Hi Cheryl, Here's a some information for a Henry CHIDGEY who may be related to your CHIDGEY family: Henry CHIDGEY, aged 3 months, son of James and Elizabeth, was baptized on 6th. December 1795 at the church of St. James, Bristol. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by the Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

So hard to read folks, but this is what I think the entry says. Ashprington, Devon, England PR's Marriages 1700 John MANING of the parish of Wollington of the County of Somerset and Dorothy MARTINE ffebruary the 16th. This parish name looks the closest. Woolavington Bev

Hi Josephine, Sorry that I didn't reply earlier haven't been on the computer for a few day as mum got taken in to hospital as she's got a chest infection so i've been in and out of the hospital since Wednesday. I think you said before about you think you went to school with a Chidgey. Thanks for the information once again. I wonder if Henry you found is an uncle or great uncle to my Louisa? I didn't have that info. Info on my James is still a bit thin i only have that a possible parents are James and Elizabeth from what you also found on the B & AFHS Marriage index. I found the a image on the 1841 census of Louisa and her siblings on the census with their parents but haven't found her two sisters on the next census only brother William he named one of his son's Henry so that could have had family ties. The Robert Chidgey is interesting could this also be a uncle or great uncle, were is Horfield - Lane? I will have a look in a tree that i have a guess membership to on Ancestry to a possible cousin connection, let you know if i find anything there. regards, Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:08 AM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] CHIDGEY, masons, Bristol, 18th & 19th centuries (was Helping other people with their family trees) On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:13:15 -0000, Cheryl and John <johnthebricky@hotmail.com> wrote: > Glad your back on track. I know how things are when you have an old > computer hope you can get the newer one working well again soon. Hi Cheryl, Thanks for your e-mail. My husband is making some progress with getting the newer computer going while I am still writing on the old one. I am getting used to the noise and the slow speed of the old one :-) > Still some gaps in the Chidgey family some of the sibling info needs > tracking down, but have found more Randall info most of the census with > the help of you and other and did make contact with a distant Chidgey > line. CHIDGEY is an unusual name, but I think I recall the name from my youth. It's likely that I went to school with someone with that name, but I can't recall anything about him other than the surname. But I do recall that the father your Louisa CHIDGEY was recorded as a mason at her baptism on 12th. September 1824 at the church of St. James, Bristol. I've come across the surname CHIDGEY in the B & A FHS Bristol Apprenticeship Books Vols 1(o) to 1 (z) Index & Transcripts 1724-2009. Henry CHIDGEY, whose father was James CHIDGEY, mason, of Bristol, was apprenticed to George JONES, mason, on 1st. August 1812. (George's wife was Hannah) If you don't already have these two CHIDGEYs who were masons, they may fit in your tree somewhere. And here's another CHIDGEY mason, whom you probably have but nothing ventured nothing gained: Robert CHIDGEY, mason, Horfield-lane, was in the First Company of the Bristol Volunteers in 1798. He was listed in the following: The Rise, Progress & Military Improvement of the Bristol Volunteers with an Alphabetical List of the Officers and Privates correctly arranged by James Brown, Serj. of the 10th Comp. published by W. Matthews, at No. 62, Broadmead, 1798. Some information about the Bristol volunteers is on the following web page: http://fishponds.org.uk/revwar.html Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I found this interesting. I've had one look and will take another as one of my Bristol ancestors was sentenced to transportation, but spent some time in prison before being pardoned. Australia or jail - which was worse? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25487329 Josephine

Surely it isWellington? Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <eng-somerset@rootsweb.com>; <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:06 AM Subject: [B&S] John MANING of Wollington [sic] [Stray] So hard to read folks, but this is what I think the entry says. Ashprington, Devon, England PR's Marriages 1700 John MANING of the parish of Wollington of the County of Somerset and Dorothy MARTINE ffebruary the 16th. This parish name looks the closest. Woolavington Bev ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Charles WHITE brick wall, Bristol, 19th C (was Elizabeth Sarah STRATFORD ...) > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:08:57 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> > wrote: > >> Chas White 55 >> Margaret White 56 >> Elizabeth White 20 >> Sarah White 5 > >> All were born in county > > Hi Sandy, > > Thanks for giving the list this 1841 census information for the WHITE > household. > > I looked in the B & A FHS marriages for the marriage of Charles WHITE and > Margaret, but drew a blank. > > I looked in the B & A FHS baptisms for children of Charles and Margaret, > but couldn't find any. > > I didn't find any information in the B & A FHS Apprentice Books or Burgess > Books on Charles WHITE, coachmaker. > > I looked in Gordon Beavington's 1851 Bristol census transcription, but > couldn't find Charles WHITE, coachmaker in the head of household index. > > So, Charles WHITE remains a brickwall for now, but I hope you will > eventually be able to make a breakthrough in your research on him. > > Josephine > It's possible that Charles White, the elder was actually married to Mary and that she was the mother of his children. This Margaret may be a sister, sister-in-law or second wife. What sources are available to trace Charles White the younger as a mariner? I don't have a birthdate for him but have been working with a guess of 1810. Sandy Sheldon Gianni

Here is the answer easily found: http://www.burnham-on-sea.com/1607-flood.shtml The calendar change is well known. For many years the year began on 25 March, Lady Day and ended on the 24 March the following year, but following work in the 16th century some countries adopted the Julian calendar with a start on 1 Jan in 1583 and others over various periods until Britain and others in 1752. So over nearly 200 years one has to be very careful to check dates especially from Jan-March where one finds children apparently born just 6 months apart or before the marriage when they were in fact legitimate. ALWAYS check! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1 Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:37:03 +0000 > From: sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] Bristol, Great Flood, 1607 (was VIDEO: Aerial view of the flooded Somerset Levels ) > > The 1607 flood level was recorded in a number of places by inscriptions > on inundated churches. One is at Kingston Seymour, another on the other > side of the Severn, can be seen at: > > http://tafftrails.co.uk/redwick-circular-walk-8-kms-5-miles/ > > but there are no prizes on this list, for resolving the date discrepancy > which puzzled the author. > > Ian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1607 flood level was recorded in a number of places by inscriptions on inundated churches. One is at Kingston Seymour, another on the other side of the Severn, can be seen at: http://tafftrails.co.uk/redwick-circular-walk-8-kms-5-miles/ but there are no prizes on this list, for resolving the date discrepancy which puzzled the author. Ian

BBC article on "humanitarian" boat for flood hit Muchelney http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-25676121 Jim

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:33:58 -0000, Ian Sage <sage_gen@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks Josephine - really interesting video, and worth reminding > ourselves that flooding of this nature would have been routine every > winter, prior to the drainage of the levels around the 18th c. onward. > It's fortunate that we are unlikely to see in our lifetime, anything on > the scale of the floods of 1703 or 1607. Hi Ian and Listers, In these times of flood, I often have the Great Flood of 1607 in mind, as it related to Bristol and neighbourhood, and wonder if something similar could happen again in the West Country. Samuel Seyer wrote a description of this event, in Volume 2 of his Memoirs Historical and Topographical of Bristol and its Neighbourhood (1823), which I sent to the list some years back but it may be worth sending again for anyone who hasn't heard of it: "The 20th of January 1606-7, being Tuesday in the morning, the wind blowing hard at south-west, there was so great a flood at high-water, that the sea broke over the banks, and overflowed all the marsh country in England and in Wales, drowning their cattle, and carrying away their corn and hay, some houses and many trees. Some lost their lives, and many saved themselves by climbing up on the roofs of their houses, and others on trees and mows. In the marsh country about Aust and Henbury, the flood was so high that it could not all run off again, but remained a fathom deep, and the people on the trees could not come down, but remained there two or three days. The Mayor, Mr. Barker, hearing thereof commanded cock-boats [al' cork boats] to be hauled thither to fetch them off, that they might not perish. In the city it rose on the Back 4 feet above the street; so that a small boat about 5 tons came up laden to St Nicholas crowd door; and the boatman put his hook against the lower step and thrust off his boat again. All the lower part of the city was covered; it was in every house on the Back and most part of the Key, doing much hurt in cellars to woade, sugars and salt; butts of secks swam in the cellars above ground, therefore worse in vaults under ground. In Redecliffe, Temple and St Thomas streets, the water was so high as men's girdles. In St Stephen's, St Thomas and Temple churches, it was half way up the seats. The Bridge was stopped and the water bayed back higher towards Redcliffe-street: it rose five feet at trin-mills. At its return it brought great trees down the river, but did no harm to the bridge." Josephine

>On 11/01/2014 10:33, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >List members with family links to the Somerset Levels may be interested in this: VIDEO: Aerial view of the flooded Somerset Levels Thanks Josephine - really interesting video, and worth reminding ourselves that flooding of this nature would have been routine every winter, prior to the drainage of the levels around the 18th c. onward. It's fortunate that we are unlikely to see in our lifetime, anything on the scale of the floods of 1703 or 1607. Ian

Hi Listers, List members with family links to the Somerset Levels may be interested in this: VIDEO: Aerial view of the flooded Somerset Levels http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/VIDEO-Aerial-view-flooded-Somerset-Levels/story-20427458-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi Listers, It's time for wassailing so this article in the Burnham and Highbridge Weekly News may be of interest to some: Somerset cider farmers gear up for wassailing http://www.burnhamandhighbridgeweeklynews.co.uk/news/10929790.Somerset_cider_farmers_gear_up_for_wassailing/?ref=rss There's also an article about an annual wassail in the Central Somerset Gazette: Street cider maker, Hecks, gears up for Wassail http://www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk/Compton-Dundon-gears-Wassail/story-20410189-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi Listers, I've enjoyed looking at the photographs and video in this Cheddar Valley Gazette article: A video tour of chairless Wells Cathedral with Louis the cat http://www.cheddarvalleygazette.co.uk/video-tour-chairless-Wells-Cathedral-Louis-cat/story-20427477-detail/story.html Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:08:57 -0000, Sandy Gianni <slgianni@newkenmore.com> wrote: > Chas White 55 > Margaret White 56 > Elizabeth White 20 > Sarah White 5 > All were born in county Hi Sandy, Thanks for giving the list this 1841 census information for the WHITE household. I looked in the B & A FHS marriages for the marriage of Charles WHITE and Margaret, but drew a blank. I looked in the B & A FHS baptisms for children of Charles and Margaret, but couldn't find any. I didn't find any information in the B & A FHS Apprentice Books or Burgess Books on Charles WHITE, coachmaker. I looked in Gordon Beavington's 1851 Bristol census transcription, but couldn't find Charles WHITE, coachmaker in the head of household index. So, Charles WHITE remains a brickwall for now, but I hope you will eventually be able to make a breakthrough in your research on him. Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:43:10 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > In case it helps in 1871 census his father is shown as William born > Bridport aged 60 his mother Susan born Ashburton evon aged 50. Hi Tony, Yes, every detail helps so thank you for this further information about this MOLTON family. I saw Susan in the 1861 Allington census, which is online. I think that Susan was a step mother because tonight I've found some more information about this family, where George's mother is shown as Mary Ann TUCKER. Josephine

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:37:58 -0000, Tony Harrison <a.harrison@tesco.net> wrote: > In 1891 it does say Bridport but in previous census he is shown as born > Allington Dorset Hi Tony, Thanks for the added information of Allington because I found a 12-year-old George MOLTON in the 1861 Allington census and I was hoping he was the one in Bristol in 1891. Widower, George MOLTON, and spinster, Sarah Maria HURST, were married on 15th. September 1890 at St. Luke's Church, Barton Hill, Bristol. George's father was recorded as William MOLTON. In the 1861 Allington census, George MOLTON's father was William so the birthplaces of Bridport and Allington tie in with the George MOLTON/MOULTON whom I've been looking at tonight. Josephine

I was just checking my emails before closing down my Ancestry research! Glad to be able to do something for you for a change. Jim On 10 January 2014 20:40, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:30:38 -0000, parsons james > <payman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > > Bridport > > That was very quick!! :-) > > Thanks very much, Jim. Just what I wanted. > > I can now see that the 12-year-old George MOLTON, whom I've found in an > 1861 online census, is the one in Bristol in 1891. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >