Wish we had that on here in Australia !   Yours Roy Hurlstone   On Tuesday, 28 January 2014 7:06 PM, "bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com" <bristol_and_somerset-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: Today's Topics:   1. Britain's Great War -- BBC One (Josephine Jeremiah) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:42:23 -0000 From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [B&S] Britain's Great War -- BBC One To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.xacq8xsb42w82j@orion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;     delsp=yes Hi Listers, The first episode of Britain's Great War will be broadcast tonight at 9  p.m. on BBC One. Further details can be found on the following web page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nprmc An article on making the series is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01npqws/features/makingtheseries Information about World War One at the BBC is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww1 Josephine ------------------------------ To contact the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET list administrator, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET mailing list, send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET Digest, Vol 9, Issue 51 ***************************************************

Hi Listers, The first episode of Britain's Great War will be broadcast tonight at 9 p.m. on BBC One. Further details can be found on the following web page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01nprmc An article on making the series is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01npqws/features/makingtheseries Information about World War One at the BBC is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww1 Josephine

Thanks Jim, I'll check it out. best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of parsons james Sent: 25 January 2014 09:33 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] New Cheltenham parish Mike Parish Boundaries - does this help? http://www.achurchnearyou.com/parishfinder.php?bs15 Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14

Thanks Josephine, Holy Trinity does seem to be the consensus. best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 24 January 2014 22:42 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] New Cheltenham parish On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:29:43 -0000, Mike Matthews <mike@boddyparts.co.uk> wrote: > Does anyone know what parish New Cheltenham would have come under > c1840-c1850, specifically the area around Cockshot Hill and what is now > Lees Hill? Hi Mike, In the 1840s, there were people, whose abode was Cockshot Hill, who were buried at Holy Trinity, Kingswood, GLS, so perhaps that was the parish for this location. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14

Hi Listers, This article has caught my eye: St Dunstan at the feet of Christ gets stitched up http://www.cheddarvalleygazette.co.uk/St-Dunstan-feet-Christ-gets-stitched/story-20458492-detail/story.html The article mentions an exhibition called Dunstan’s Needle, which opens on February 15th. at Glastonbury Abbey. More information is here: http://www.glastonburyabbey.com/events.php?&dx=1&ob=3&rpn=index Josephine

On 24/01/2014 11:10, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > One of my favourite sources is 'A Taste of the West Country in Food and > Pictures' by Theodora Fitzgibbon, which was published by J.M. Dent & Sons > in 1972.... > > Particularly interesting is the page on Mendip Snails or Wallfish as they > are known locally. I also like the section on Elvers where there's > reference to Keynsham being famous for Elver Cakes. There's also mention > of Cheese Straws, a feature of Cheddar, and the famous Bath Chap. Thanks for that reference to "A Taste of the West Country", Josephine. Food was certainly a central part of our ancestors' lives and regional fare tells us a lot about living conditions and locally available ingredients. I am not sure how my family would take to Wallfish, but we certainly used to enjoy Bath chaps as an inexpensive delicacy when we could get them some 35 years back. But your mention of Cheddar and its cheese reminds me of another great source - Daniel Defoe's "A Tour Through the Whole Island of Great Britain" (1724-6). He describes how the milk from the whole area of Cheddar was brought together and accounted for to each farmer, then made at each milking into a single cheese whose size varied according to the season - "By this method the goodness of the cheese is preserved and, without all dispute, is the best cheese that England affords, if not, that the whole world affords." He makes many observations about Somerset and the country around the Mendips - including, topically, the impassability of the low road from Bridgewater to Bristol during inundations, and the damage wrought by the recent storm of 1703. Ian

And I am in possession of a death certificate of a great great grandfather, father of my great grand mother and who, all his life was a leather worker and, specifically, through many censuses, a saddler. I was startled to read on the death certificate that (aged nearly 80) he was described as a machine operator! His son, a visitor from Belfast, had presumably misread or misunderstood the question as to occupation. That was indeed the son's occupation in 1912. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:19:48 +0000 > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Subject: [B&S] Clerical errors (was Thomas RANSON & Sara SQUIRE ...) > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:58:40 -0000, Phil Warn <philwarnorp2@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi JJ, > >> It is down to my fave topic "Clerical errors" > > Hi Phil. > > Ah, clerical errors! > > I was present when a relative's death was registered, but it wasn't until > I came home that I noticed that his wife's first name was typed > incorrectly on the death certificate. > > Years ago, I found that the handwritten surname of a witness, on an > ancestor's marriage certificate, was unreadable. If I remember correctly, > it took me about a year to fathom out this surname and when I did some > pieces of my family history puzzle fell immediately into place. > > Josephine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:51:34 -0000, Jean Wood <jeangrahame@live.fr> wrote: > And I am in possession of a death certificate of a great great > grandfather, father of my great grand mother and who, all his life was a > leather worker and, specifically, through many censuses, a saddler. > I was startled to read on the death certificate that (aged nearly 80) he > was described as a machine operator! > His son, a visitor from Belfast, had presumably misread or misunderstood > the question as to occupation. That was indeed the son's occupation in > 1912. Hi Jean, Possibly your great-grandmother's brother, who was giving the information about the death of your ancestor, was feeling upset when registering the death of his father and was not thinking clearly. My 2x great-uncle, Samuel VOKES, was the informant on the death certificate of his mother in October 1916 and on the death certificate of his father in November 1916. Strangely, at his father's death registration, Samuel signed with a cross as his mark whereas the previous month he had signed his own name when he was the informant of his mother's death. I've thought that perhaps Samuel was overcome at the loss of both his parents, in such a short time, and hadn't checked his father's death certificate as I didn't when I was present at registering a death. There was no indication on his 1894 marriage record that he couldn't write and from what I know of this branch of my family it seems unlikely that he would have given a cross as his mark. There was a similar occasion when Samuel's sister-in-law, Charlotte PAYNE (nee BAKER), registered the birth of a daughter in 1886 and a cross was given as her signature. There is no X on her marriage certificate or on the birth certificates of her two elder children, which were presumably signed. Curiously, at the 1886 birth registration, Charlotte's maiden name was given as HARRIES rather than BAKER but this could have something to do with Charlotte PAYNE living back in the community where her HARRIES/HARRIS family lived. Perhaps the registrar knew the family and put down incorrectly what he thought was was Charlotte's maiden name. I shall never know, but it is interesting pondering on such things. Incidentally, Samuel mother was Angel Dore VOKES (nee VEATER formerly PAYNE) which is why the married surname of Samuel's sister-in-law was PAYNE rather VOKES. Josephine

Mike Parish Boundaries - does this help? http://www.achurchnearyou.com/parishfinder.php?bs15 Jim

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:29:43 -0000, Mike Matthews <mike@boddyparts.co.uk> wrote: > Does anyone know what parish New Cheltenham would have come under > c1840-c1850, specifically the area around Cockshot Hill and what is now > Lees Hill? Hi Mike, In the 1840s, there were people, whose abode was Cockshot Hill, who were buried at Holy Trinity, Kingswood, GLS, so perhaps that was the parish for this location. Josephine

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:16:17 -0000, Jean Wood <jeangrahame@live.fr> wrote: > I have seen people named Mary Ann/Marianne/ Marian/Marion/Peggy - the > same person varying the spelling! > A school friend of mine did not like "Plain" Jane, so morphed into Jayne. Hi Jean and Listers, That's reminded me that I know of a Jane whose real name is more elaborate, but she prefers to be known by the simpler name of Jane. I also know of someone who has chosen a more elaborate first name over the name by which she was registered. Her original name is one which was common in the 1940s and 1950s so perhaps she doesn't want to be known by a name which can be dated to a certain time. Josephine

Hi, Does anyone know what parish New Cheltenham would have come under c1840-c1850, specifically the area around Cockshot Hill and what is now Lees Hill? Mike

Hello again Listers, I have confirmed that Josephine was correct with the spelling of RANSON. I have found the Probate record of the death of Thomas RANSON giving the address that is on the Death Certificate of Vashti SQUIRE. Thank you once again. Regards Millie

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:58:40 -0000, Phil Warn <philwarnorp2@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi JJ, > It is down to my fave topic "Clerical errors" Hi Phil. Ah, clerical errors! I was present when a relative's death was registered, but it wasn't until I came home that I noticed that his wife's first name was typed incorrectly on the death certificate. Years ago, I found that the handwritten surname of a witness, on an ancestor's marriage certificate, was unreadable. If I remember correctly, it took me about a year to fathom out this surname and when I did some pieces of my family history puzzle fell immediately into place. Josephine

In French RANCON with a cedilla under the C is pronounced Ranson. Could your Sara(h) be of French descent? The H appears and disappears on the name frequently. I have seen people named Mary Ann/Marianne/ Marian/Marion/Peggy - the same person varying the spelling! A school friend of mine did not like "Plain" Jane, so morphed into Jayne. Only this week I looked up details of my mother's second cousin who died 4 weeks ago aged 93. I never met his first wife, but I knew her name was Jan, which is also how it appears in the marriage index. Writing to me after the funeral yesterday, his niece referred to his first wife Janet. Obviously be careful, but do accept the fact that spelling variations happen even in the present day. My father in law was registered as Thomas Rowland. (His father was also Thomas) He went to school as Roland Thomas (change of order and loss of W) which is how he remained for the rest of his life. Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm http://www.saintes-fleur-de-sel.fr/index.htm > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:58:40 +0000 > From: philwarnorp2@gmail.com > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] Thomas RANSON & Sara SQUIRE, marriage, West Ham, Essex, 1917 (Sarah SQUIRE) > > On 24/01/2014 17:54, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >>>>I am seeking a marriage of Sarah SQUIRE to ? RANCON. >> Hi Millie, >> >> The marriage of Thomas RANSON and Sara SQUIRE was registered in the June >> quarter of 1917 at West Ham, Essex. >> >> Ian is questioning how do I know it's the right marriage as the surname is >> RANSON, instead of RANCON, and the bride's name doesn't have an 'h' at the >> end of it. >> >> However, I think that this is a very likely match, don't you? >> >> Josephine > Hi JJ, > > It is down to my fave topic "Clerical errors" > > Soft C in Rancon sounds like RANSON, > > SAra or Sarah so close. > > My bet is on you! > > Phil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers What marvellous people you all are! I have examined the handwriting on the Death Certificate with a powerful magnifying glass and I think there is a high possibility that it could be an ‘S’ not a ‘C’ in RANCON/RANSON. I am extremely grateful to all of you. Thank you so much. Regards Millie

On 24/01/2014 17:54, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >> >I am seeking a marriage of Sarah SQUIRE to ? RANCON. > Hi Millie, > > The marriage of Thomas RANSON and Sara SQUIRE was registered in the June > quarter of 1917 at West Ham, Essex. > > Ian is questioning how do I know it's the right marriage as the surname is > RANSON, instead of RANCON, and the bride's name doesn't have an 'h' at the > end of it. > > However, I think that this is a very likely match, don't you? > > Josephine Hi JJ, It is down to my fave topic "Clerical errors" Soft C in Rancon sounds like RANSON, SAra or Sarah so close. My bet is on you! Phil

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:37:16 -0000, MillieB&D <millie@reallyhelpful.info> wrote: > Thank you for your replies. Sorry. I should have been more explicit. > Sarah SQUIRE was born about 1873 at Fivehead, Somerset. Her parents > were Henry SQUIRE and Vashti SQUIRE (nee SALWAY). > I obtained the name RANCON from the Death Certificate of Vashti SQUIRE. > The place of death was Little Thurrock, Essex in the home of S. RANCON, > daughter, who was the informant. The death was registered in 1926. > I am seeking a marriage of Sarah SQUIRE to ? RANCON. Hi Millie, The marriage of Thomas RANSON and Sara SQUIRE was registered in the June quarter of 1917 at West Ham, Essex. Ian is questioning how do I know it's the right marriage as the surname is RANSON, instead of RANCON, and the bride's name doesn't have an 'h' at the end of it. However, I think that this is a very likely match, don't you? Josephine

Hi again Ok Here she is in 1901 & 1911 unmarried then 1901 England Census about Sarah Squire Name: Sarah Squire Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Finchead, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Plymstock Town: Higher Hooe County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Household Members: Name Age Thomas Butkel 63 Margaret Butkel 62 Mildred Butkel 23 Florence E Colmore 38 Georgina F Bulkel 25 Gladys M Bulkel 18 Ailsen Colmore 17 Reginald Colmore 13 Edward Jno Weeks 22 Letitia Nelson 35 Sarah Squire 27 Eliza Sweet 25 Ellen Sethbridge 18 (unfortunately Ancestry have altered the way it displays the census reference, none is shown with this entry) 1911 England Census about Sara Squire Name: Sara Squire Age in 1911: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Fivehead, Somerset Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock and Stifford County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: Training Ship Exmouth, Metropolitan Asylums Board, Grays, Essex Marital status: Single Occupation: House Keeper Registration District: Orsett Registration District Number: 192 Sub-registration District: Grays ED, institution, or vessel: 25-29 Piece: 9976 Household Members: Name Age William Callwater 45 Agnes Davis 31 Sara Squire 34 Ruth M Nodder 25 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 9976 This is only part of the entry, Sara is enumerated as Captains Cook (head of household Captain superannuated) Address page states Training Ship "Essex" Grays Essex Captain R B COLMORE I will continue looking for a marriage post dinner :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/01/2014 15:37, MillieB&D wrote: > Hello Listers, > > Thank you for your replies. Sorry. I should have been more explicit. Sarah SQUIRE was born about 1873 at Fivehead, Somerset. Her parents were Henry SQUIRE and Vashti SQUIRE (nee SALWAY). > > I obtained the name RANCON from the Death Certificate of Vashti SQUIRE. The place of death was Little Thurrock, Essex in the home of S. RANCON, daughter, who was the informant. The death was registered in 1926. > > All of the members of the SQUIRE family that I know of remained in Somerset. I have made the assumption that Sarah married in Somerset and eventually moved to Essex. I imagine that her mother was either visiting or living with Sarah at the time of her death. > > I am seeking a marriage of Sarah SQUIRE to ? RANCON. > > Regards > Millie

Hi Listers, This Wells Journal article may be of interest to list members: Reece Winstone's Vanishing Lives photo exhibition at Wells and Mendip Museum http://www.wellsjournal.co.uk/Past-lives-shown-pictures/story-20447079-detail/story.html Josephine