Abraham FISHER, father of Aquilla, died 14 December 1794 and was buried on the 18th December at Stapleton. He was a miller. I do not have his wife's first name but her surname was JAGG (or possibly TAGG). Aquilla's mother was one of at least 4 children, although I only have names for Elizabeth JAGG (who married Hattill JENNINGS, a mealman of Stapleton on 27th April 1740 at Stapleton, and William JAGG, who lived at Hannams Mills in 1776, and had several children. The fourth child, a daughter, married ? STIGE. These details are pieced together from family Wills. For example Hattill JENNINGS (bur 1st Dec 1775) and his wife Elizabeth JENNINGS nee JAGG died 6 May 1798 left very helpful Wills which mention many relatives including the HOBBS family: Henry HOBBS of the parish of Stapleton, miller and his children John HOBBS, Henry HOBBS the younger, William HOBBS, James HOBBS, Joseph HOBBS. and the FISHER family (Aquilla's siblings): Mary FISHER (born abt 1765) daughter of Abraham FISHER, miller [married John Wyatt CATER 1780] Edmund FISHER son of the above Abraham [miller, lived Lacock, Wiltshire] Elizabeth FISHER daughter of the above Abraham If your correspondent would like more details of these Wills I can send them privately. Marion On 27 December 2010 19:40, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > Today, I have been helping a new correspondent with the family of John > WALL, who was recorded as a 16-year-old apprentice in the household of > John MABYN, Linen Draper, in Wine Street, Bristol at the time of the 1851 > census. > > The quest has led me to John WALL's maternal grandmother, Aquila HALE (nee > FISHER formerly HOBBS). > >

Today, I have been helping a new correspondent with the family of John WALL, who was recorded as a 16-year-old apprentice in the household of John MABYN, Linen Draper, in Wine Street, Bristol at the time of the 1851 census. The quest has led me to John WALL's maternal grandmother, Aquila HALE (nee FISHER formerly HOBBS). Aquila FISHER, daughter of Abraham FISHER, was baptized on 18th. May 1766 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Henry HOBBS, bachelor, and spinster, Aquila FISHER, were married, by banns, on 29th. December 1785 at St. Mary's Church, Bitton, GLS. Both were of the parish. This marriage is included in Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1812, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk The marriage, by licence, of William KALE (sic), widower, otp, and Aquilla (sic) HOBBS, widow, otp, on 3rd. April 1828 at Stapleton, is included in the Marriage Index Vol 8 Diocese of Bristol 1813-1837, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk I think that KALE should be HALE as Aquilla (sic) HALE, aged 83, of Mangotsfield, was buried on 25th. April 1848 at Whitfield Tabernacle, Kingswood. http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burialindex/burialshab.htm -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:01:57 -0000, Marion <lowe.marion@gmail.com> wrote: > I see that in 1851, 45yr old Emma was widowed, and living in Staple Hill > with her unmarried 49yr old sister Elizabeth. Both are listed as > "annuitant". > In 1861, Emma is living alone in Winterbourne, and has "no occupation". Thanks for the above, Marion. Although I found a baptism for the elder sister on 21st. September 1800 at Holy Trinity, Stapleton, I didn't find one for the younger sister, with the same parents, in the same church. Then I found that the sisters' parents, Henry HOBBS and Aquila HOBBS (nee FISHER) had their younger children, including Emma, baptized at Whitfield Chapel, Kingswood. I don't have access to an index for the 1861 Gloucestershire census so couldn't look for for Emma WALL (nee HOBBS) in that, so thanks for the Winterbourne sighting of her. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I see that in 1851, 45yr old Emma was widowed, and living in Staple Hill with her unmarried 49yr old sister Elizabeth. Both are listed as "annuitant". In 1861, Emma is living alone in Winterbourne, and has "no occupation". Marion On 27 December 2010 12:14, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: <snipped> > > Bachlelor, Robert Purnell WALL, and spinster, Emma HOBBS, were married on > 28th. March 1826 at the church of St. James, Mangotsfield , GLS. The groom > was of Stroudwater, GLS, while the bride was of the parish of Mangotsfield. > The marriage took place by licence and by the consent of Aquella H. > >

There is information today on the page for BBC News Somerset about: Ice rescue for 21 stranded swans http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-12082904 To keep this post on topic for local history, there's an interesting web page about the Somerset Levels here: http://www.everythingexmoor.org.uk/exmoor-encyclopedia/contents-list/52-s/906-somerset-levels.html -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

There's an article in today's Evening Post, about place names in Bristol, which may be of interest to list members: TAKE A TOUR OF OUR CITY'S PLACE NAMES http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/TOUR-CITY-S-PLACE-NAMES/article-3041126-detail/article.html -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:14:54 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > Bachlelor, Robert Purnell WALL, and spinster, Emma HOBBS, were married on > 28th. March 1826 at the church of St. James, Mangotsfield , GLS. The > groom> was of Stroudwater, GLS, while the bride was of the parish of > Mangotsfield. The marriage took place by licence and by the consent of > Aquella H. > It looks like Aquella (sic) was Aquila HOBBS, the grandmother of Emma. > The private baptism on 1st. March 1809 of Emma HOBBS, the daughter of > James and Sophia HOBBS, was noted in the Stapleton register. It was also > noted that Emma was base-born on 14th. February and the mother's surname > was LEWIS. I was wrong about Aquella (sic) HOBBS being the grandmother of Emma HOBBS, who married Robert Purnell WALL in 1826. I thought she was the grandmother because I could find the baptism of only one likely Emma in Stapleton, where Henry and Aquila HOBBS had already had children baptized. Further investigation has shown that the HOBBS family had later children baptized at Kingsood and that Aquila HOBBS (nee FISHER) was the mother of Emma. Emma HOBBS, daughter of Henry and Aquila HOBBS of Stapleton, Glos., was born on 21st. December 1805 and baptized on 22nd. June 1806 at Whitfield Chapel (Congregational), Kingswood. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Further to my previous message about the WALL and HOBBS families, I have now found the marriage of Emma WALL, whose baptism I am seeking along with that of her brother, John WALL, born c.1835 in Stapleton, but not baptized there. Bachelor, Martin POTTER, and spinster, Emma WALL, both of full age, were married, by licence, on 8th. December 1856 at the church of St. James, Mangotsfield, GLS. The groom was a warehouseman of Chorley upon Medlock, Lancashire. The occupation of his father, Thomas POTTER, was also warehouseman. The bride was a spinster of Mangotsfield. The occupation of her father, Robert WALL, was spirit merchant. Both bride and groom signed and the witnesses to the marriage were Robert HOBBS, James HOBBS and Sarah COOKE. This marriage is included in the Bristol Diocese (South Glos) Marriage Registers Vol 11 Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1837-1901, produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Please send any replies about the WALL and HOBBS families to the list as they are the families of one of my correspondents, whom I hope will join the list. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I have had an off-list message concerning the WALL and HOBBS families, so this morning I have been looking around my resources to see what I could find out about them. I recognized the HOBBS family from previous B & S correspondence with Dianne Dixon: Bachlelor, Robert Purnell WALL, and spinster, Emma HOBBS, were married on 28th. March 1826 at the church of St. James, Mangotsfield , GLS. The groom was of Stroudwater, GLS, while the bride was of the parish of Mangotsfield. The marriage took place by licence and by the consent of Aquella H. It looks like Aquella (sic) was Aquila HOBBS, the grandmother of Emma. The private baptism on 1st. March 1809 of Emma HOBBS, the daughter of James and Sophia HOBBS, was noted in the Stapleton register. It was also noted that Emma was base-born on 14th. February and the mother's surname was LEWIS. In the 1851 census, John WALL, the likely son of Robert Purnell WALL and Emma WALL, was recorded as a 16-year-old apprentice in the household of John MABYN, Linen Draper, in Wine Street, Bristol. The birth place of this John WALL was recorded as Stapleton, I can't find a baptism in the Bristol Diocese for John WALL either in Anglican or non-conformist churches so I suspect that Emma WALL, John's mother, came home to Stapleton for the birth of her baby, but perhaps he was baptized elsewhere in Gloucestershire possibly in the Stroud area. Could someone with access to the Gloucestershire Family History Society baptisms 1813-1837 have a look for the baptism of John WALL, son of Robert and Emma, born. c.1835 and also for the baptisms of an older sister, Emma, please? I would appreciate it if any answers could be sent to the list, please, so that my correspondent can see them, though I have advised him to join the list as list members may have further information on these families. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

An excellent site for answers to your Software problems etc. http://genforum.genealogy.com/ Edna - Ottawa

Apologies in advance as this is not a specific Bristol/Somerset enquiry. I have tried all ways to import books created in Family Tree Maker 16 to FTM 2010 but have been unsuccessful. I have followed various bits of advice I have found in web searches ("manual import" etc) but no luck so far. I was wondering if anyone on the list has any tips. Compliments of the season.... Darryl (GWYNNE, Glen Williams, Canada)

Answer, Madam or Mrs. (Middle Ages) an attendant and shield bearer to a knight; a candidate for knighthood a title of respect for a member of the English gentry ranking just below a knight; placed after the name wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Esquire (abbreviated Esq.) was originally a title for the sons of nobles and gentry who did not possess any other title. However, today the term is often used instead of Mr on official documents and in formal correspondence. It is linked to the word squire which refers to a knight's servant. There is no female equivalent for the social form. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquire Bryan Perth, W Aust

I'm amused by the usage that has developed in the U.S. in recent years.  Lawyers have frequently used "Esq." as a suffix to let people know that they are members of the bar.  But, the tradition certainly applied only to males.  Now, the lady lawyers sometimes use it.  Seems rather silly.    (Judge) Roland Purnell Ventura, California

On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:49:04 -0000, Paddy Buckley <paddy.buckley@lineone.net> wrote: > I think I may have finally found the 1708 burial record of an ancestor. > She had been indexed on Ancestry.co.uk as Mad Mary Cooke. A close look > at the original entry showed that it was Mad. Mary Cooke. I am guessing > that the abbreviation was for Madam, which I have never come across > before in a family history context. Has anyone else seen such a use in > a parish register? Hi John, There is an example of Madam being used in a Somerset parish register on the following web page concerning burials at St. Andrew's, Wivelliscombe: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/H_m_w/Wiv/Bur/Y.html Elizabeth YEA, who was buried in 1697, was described as 'the daughter of Madam'. On a web page about the the Butcher Family of Merriott near Crewkerne, there is reference to the 1726 baptism of Henry, son of John & Madam Mary Rodbard: http://www.merriottfamiliesgenealogy.net/butcher.htm On this page there is also reference to the 1744 burial of Jno Rodbard, Esq. Looking further afield, there is an 1682 reference to Madam Mary Harbertt wife to Wm Harbertt Esq in the Parish Registers of Saint John's, Cardiff. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=48170 Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Paddy, Mad. could be an abbreviation of Madeline.  I can't recall ever seeing Madam used in parish registers. Mdm was the usual short form. Mrs was often used for the wives of gents [and for spinsters].  Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Paddy Buckley <paddy.buckley@lineone.net> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 December, 2010 9:49:04 Subject: [B&S] How was the wife of an Esquire known? I think I may have finally found the 1708 burial record of an ancestor.  She had been indexed on Ancestry.co.uk as Mad Mary Cooke.  A close look at the original entry showed that it was Mad. Mary Cooke.  I am guessing that the abbreviation was for Madam, which I have never come across before in a family history context.  Has anyone else seen such a use in a parish register?  Mrs. was often used for the wife of a vicar or a doctor.  I have seen newspaper reports such as "The Lady ----- of John Cooke Esq was safely delivered of a daughter" where John Cooke was a high ranking barrister in the Inner Temple and always referred to as Esq in the period 1690-1710.  He may not have been granted a Coat of Arms. John Buckley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I may have finally found the 1708 burial record of an ancestor. She had been indexed on Ancestry.co.uk as Mad Mary Cooke. A close look at the original entry showed that it was Mad. Mary Cooke. I am guessing that the abbreviation was for Madam, which I have never come across before in a family history context. Has anyone else seen such a use in a parish register? Mrs. was often used for the wife of a vicar or a doctor. I have seen newspaper reports such as "The Lady ----- of John Cooke Esq was safely delivered of a daughter" where John Cooke was a high ranking barrister in the Inner Temple and always referred to as Esq in the period 1690-1710. He may not have been granted a Coat of Arms. John Buckley

So sorry to hear you have been smitten with Bronchitis Polly and my condolences on the loss of your cat.  As a great cat lover myself I know how you are feeling and when the last of my cats went (20 years old) I was so devastated that I vowed NO MORE.  So far I have resisted all the Cat Shelter adverts but of course if one turned up on my doorstep and needed a home........that would be a different matter!  Hope you will feel well enough to quietly enjoy the Christmas festivities. Thank you for your help in the past, Janet

Well my last minute preparations are even more last minute than usual - I can offer many excuses but the main ones are illness. I have been suffering from a bout of bronchitis since last Friday night, and then my cat, of at least 17 years of age and who this year has been starting to look it became very weak over the weekend. I'm glad to report that I am on the mend, but very sad to say that Scampi died last night...:-( But last minute though they maybe they are sincerely meant and come with thanks to all who have helped me over the past year and best wishes for the future to you all in both your lives and researches. I would like to share my online Christmas card with you: www.rowberry.org/xmas10.html and the ROWBERRY ONS Newsletter 2010: www.rowberry.org/xmasRlet10.pdf Kindest regards Polly

Hello All A very merry Christmas and all the best in 2011. So nice to see your name again, Maggie. We (Art & I) only managed to make it to one Clutton Bun Fight but enjoyed it so much. It was so much fun meeting everyone. I miss hearing who is going and then who went and seeing great pictures taken by Ian...even when I wasn't there. Marjorie Latcham researcher >I would like to join in the Christmas Greeting messages. May I wish you >all, a very happy Christmas and a healthy, prosperous 2010. > >With extra special greetings to the B&S Listers I have met in person at our >Clutton Bunfights. Remember when we all, on and off the list, raised out >glasses together at 1pm on those special days! > >One day I will tot up the 'Attending Lists' for each year and see just how >many >of us from the UK and abroad were able to actually meet in the flesh! >Maggie. >

Hi Josephine, et al   The Mangotsfield baptism registers show Dinah PUCKSTONE and her siblings all as children of William and Hannah.  Dinah (the youngest) was baptised, 15 Jan 1758.   I have not located a marriage for William and Hannah.  They had a son William (1754).  The 1783 burial of William could be either the father or the son.  I suspect the 1800 burial of Hannah is the "correct" one, although an age of 93 is suspect.  That would have made her about 51 when Dinah was baptised. The evidence supporting 1758 as her birth year includes a burial of Dinah PURNELL, aged 87, on 1 Mar 1846.    We're having a bit of sunshine in Ventura, California today--a blessed relief from five solid days of rain.   Thanks, and Merry Christmas to all.   Roland Purnell