Hello Josephine, Thank you for this feedback on the persons listed in my ancestor's will. I shall take a look on Ancestry to see if I can find them in 1901. Best wishes Karen Lyon, France There's an entry in Kelly's Bristol Directory of 1935 for Chas. BELBEN, dairyman, Woodend, Shirehampton Rd., Stoke Bishop. In the same directory, Frederic Saml. SAGE was listed at 1 Julian Rd., Sneyd Park. TN Stoke Bishop 81317. You mentioned the Housekeeper, Miss Alice WAKELEY. Benj. M. WAKELY (sic), dairyman, was at 2 Chandos Rd., Redland at this time. It's a long shot, but I'm mentioning this in case there was a link with the housekeeper. Josephine

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:42:16 -0000, Karen Palandri <karen.palandri@orange.fr> wrote: > I have just received Frederic Samuel SAGE's will which was dated 2 > September 1930 and proved 23 February 1935. Probate was granted to his > friends Ernest George HAYWARD of 5 Paulton Drive, Bishopston, Bristol > (previously of Campbell House, Clevedon, Somerset) and Sydney James > BAYLISS of 12 St Stephen's Street, Bristol solicitor. > Legacies to friends: > Charles BELBEN Hi Karen, There's an entry in Kelly's Bristol Directory of 1935 for Chas. BELBEN, dairyman, Woodend, Shirehampton Rd., Stoke Bishop. In the same directory, Frederic Saml. SAGE was listed at 1 Julian Rd., Sneyd Park. TN Stoke Bishop 81317. You mentioned the Housekeeper, Miss Alice WAKELEY. Benj. M. WAKELY (sic), dairyman, was at 2 Chandos Rd., Redland at this time. It's a long shot, but I'm mentioning this in case there was a link with the housekeeper. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Thanks a lot for posting that, Karen. Sadly, I don't recognise any of the names but perhaps a connection will turn up one day. Ian On 06/01/2011 14:42, Karen Palandri wrote: > I have just received Frederic Samuel SAGE's will which was dated 2 September > 1930 and proved 23 February 1935.<snip>

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:07:37 -0000, John Wall <johnwallx@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been talking with Josephine Jeremiah about Emma HOBBS who married > Robert Purnell WALL. > Dianne Dixon mentioned that Robert Purnell WALL was the decedent of > Thomas WALL and Rebekah PURNELL. I have been unable to reach her via > email. Can anyone help me find out more about Robert Purnell WALL's > birth, baptism, and death and about his ancestors on the WALL side? Hi John, A possible death registration for Robert Purnell WALL's mother might be that of Rebecca WALL in the September quarter of 1837 at Stroud, GLS. Details from FreeBMD: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ You can search for this death in the Gloucestershire BMD Indexes: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/DeathSearch.aspx You'll see that this Rebecca WALL was 61 years old, when she died, which gives an approximate birth date of 1776 for Rebekah or Rebecca PURNELL, if this is the right one. The burial of Rebekah or Rebecca WALL could be on the Gloucester Diocese Burial Index 1813-1851, produced on CD by Gloucester Family History Society: http://www.gfhs.org.uk/products.htm Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Thu, 06 Jan 2011 18:07:37 -0000, John Wall <johnwallx@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been talking with Josephine Jeremiah about Emma HOBBS who married > Robert Purnell WALL. Josephine mentioned in a previous post that Robert > Purnell WALL married Emma HOBBS on the 28th March 1826 at the Church of > St. James, Mongotsfield, GLS. Robert was noted as being from > Stroudwater, GLS. while Emma was from Mangotsfield. > Dianne Dixon mentioned that Robert Purnell WALL was the decedent of > Thomas WALL and Rebekah PURNELL. I have been unable to reach her via > email. Can anyone help me find out more about Robert Purnell WALL's > birth, baptism, and death and about his ancestors on the WALL side? Hi John, Welcome to the Bristol_and_Somerset list :-) Robert Purnell WALL's parents were married, by licence, on 20th. January 1801 in Stroud, GLS. There is reference to Robert Purnell WALL and his parents and siblings in a message from David Daniell on 1st. May 2008 on the Gloucester List: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gloucester/2008-04/1209619792 Gloucester Diocese Burial Index 1813-1851 is produced on CD by Gloucester Family History Society: http://www.gfhs.org.uk/products.htm I don't have this CD, but perhaps someone could do a look up for the burials of Robert Purnell WALL's parents, Thomas and Rebekah. If they are listed in this resource, you may be able to find out their ages at death and consequently the approximate years of their births. Thomas WALL and Robert Purnell WALL, wine and spirit merchants of Stroud, are mentioned in the Gloucestershire Archives: Online Catalogue: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=NaviTree.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqItem=D1241/5&dsqField=RefNo Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Dear List, I have just received Frederic Samuel SAGE's will which was dated 2 September 1930 and proved 23 February 1935. Probate was granted to his friends Ernest George HAYWARD of 5 Paulton Drive, Bishopston, Bristol (previously of Campbell House, Clevedon, Somerset) and Sydney James BAYLISS of 12 St Stephen's Street, Bristol solicitor. Legacies to friends: Ernest George HAYWARD Claude G. E. HOLLES William Biddlecombe HARRIS Herbert Cornall TOLLEY Charles BELBEN Frank Hagley LEWIS Alfred Richard McDOWELL Kenneth COLLINS Gilbert WHITE Ernest F. NETHERCOTE George Reginald JENKINS Sidney R. COLLINS Housekeeper: Miss Alice WAKELEY I hope this may be useful to someone. Karen Lyon, France

I have been talking with Josephine Jeremiah about Emma HOBBS who married Robert Purnell WALL. Josephine mentioned in a previous post that Robert Purnell WALL married Emma HOBBS on the 28th March 1826 at the Church of St. James, Mongotsfield, GLS. Robert was noted as being from Stroudwater, GLS. while Emma was from Mangotsfield. The majority of my research interest is in finding out more about the WALL family line. Dianne Dixon mentioned that Robert Purnell WALL was the decedent of Thomas WALL and Rebekah PURNELL. I have been unable to reach her via email. Can anyone help me find out more about Robert Purnell WALL's birth, baptism, and death and about his ancestors on the WALL side? I am hoping that this research may help in finding out not only more about the WALL family, but more about who might have owned a sword that has been past down in my family for a very long time. I have taken pictures of this sword and had it dated on various fora (sg. forum) a link to the main forum it was discussed on can be found here: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1135218#post1135218 in summary the sword can be described as Pattern: 1822 Type: 1837-1845 User: Infantry Officer Group: Almost any -- Guards or Line (are there any other groups?) (consisting of: Royal Engineers, Royal Staff Corps, Royal Army Medical Corps, or Royal Artillery) Unfortunately I have had no luck in finding out who might have been in the military either on the WALL or HOBBS side of the family during this time period since Robert Purnell WALL is noted as a Wine and/or Spirit Merchant in posts by Josephine and Dianne with links to archives noting his profession. His son, John WALL, was apprenticed to John MABYN the draper and haberdasher (for which I own the original document, if someone would like scans of this document please feel free to contact me). John WALL subsequently emigrated to Canada. Could it be possible that Robert was in the military at one point? Might his father have been? I have not been able to find any documents leading to the answering of these questions. Could someone please help me? Sorry for the complicated post. -John

I have had an off-list query asking whether there is a memorial in Bristol to firemen who died in the Blitz. I don't know of one, perhaps someone else does. However, I know that during the air raid of 3rd.- 4th. January 1941, eight firemen lost their lives in High Street, Bristol and their names are commemorated here: http://fishponds.org.uk/bristolmem.html#jan1941 -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Sorry -I didn't say he was actually referring to London docks There is an account of interest at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12016916 I understand now .It must have been the stored grain etc My brother points out that sugar & pepper burn too . Ann On 04/01/2011 08:10, A. Day wrote: > This confirms what my Dad ,a fireman said " The docks were on fire "-which > seemed hard to believe. > Ann > > On 03/01/2011 23:39, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >> That night the docks were hit including the Granary on Prince's Wharf, >> where 8,000 tons of grain were lost. >> A contemporary account of this all-night blitz noted that the docks and >> Redcliffe Street were 'one blazing mass.' >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This confirms what my Dad ,a fireman said " The docks were on fire "-which seemed hard to believe. Ann On 03/01/2011 23:39, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > > That night the docks were hit including the Granary on Prince's Wharf, > where 8,000 tons of grain were lost. > A contemporary account of this all-night blitz noted that the docks and > Redcliffe Street were 'one blazing mass.' >

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:00:39 -0000, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Thanks Josephine, will pass to my cousin as he has probably forgotten > about these 12 hours. I nearly forgot, myself. As you know, Edna, I was going to take a rest from my computer this month, but as I sat here it suddenly flashed into my mind that tonight was the 70th anniversary of the Fourth Blitz. When we had all the snow recently, I was thinking how the water froze in the firemen's hoses on that particular night in January 1941, 70 years ago. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

A photograph of the large bomb dropped on Bristol during the Fourth Bristol Blitz of 3rd.- 4th. January 1941 is on the following web page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/2050367202/in/photostream/ -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Remembering the Fourth Bristol Blitz of Friday 3rd. January - Saturday 4th. January, 1941, 70 years ago tonight. Bristolians endured an air raid, lasting nearly 12 hours during which a bomb weighing 4,000 lb was dropped. Fortunately the bomb didn't explode. Having been made safe, it was later displayed in the Victory Parade through the streets of London in 1945. That night the docks were hit including the Granary on Prince's Wharf, where 8,000 tons of grain were lost. A contemporary account of this all-night blitz noted that the docks and Redcliffe Street were 'one blazing mass.' -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Thanks Josephine, will pass to my cousin as he has probably forgotten about these 12 hours. Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: [B&S] The Fourth Bristol Blitz, Friday 3rd. January - Saturday 4th. January, 1941, 70 years ago tonight Remembering the Fourth Bristol Blitz of Friday 3rd. January - Saturday 4th. January, 1941, 70 years ago tonight. Bristolians endured an air raid, lasting nearly 12 hours during which a bomb weighing 4,000 lb was dropped. Fortunately the bomb didn't explode. Having been made safe, it was later displayed in the Victory Parade through the streets of London in 1945. That night the docks were hit including the Granary on Prince's Wharf, where 8,000 tons of grain were lost. A contemporary account of this all-night blitz noted that the docks and Redcliffe Street were 'one blazing mass.' -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On 3 Jan 2011 at 16:08, Giles wrote: > Am I alone in finding much of this correspondence deeply distasteful? > Please don't forget that a much-loved young woman has been brutally > murdered only days ago and the police investigation is still not > completed. Now is not the time for geneaological speculation about one > of the names involved. > > Giles Oakley < Possibly, but I did NOT start it! The thread was begun by Chris Jefferies, who was possibly and understandably concerned that some people might associate him with his namesake who was initially arrested and has now been released on bail. Chris appeared to be seeking assurances that the man concerned did not originally come from Bristol, evidence which I was able to supply. I am, for one, content to end it since I had no plans to post anything further anyway. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Am I alone in finding much of this correspondence deeply distasteful? Please don't forget that a much-loved young woman has been brutally murdered only days ago and the police investigation is still not completed. Now is not the time for geneaological speculation about one of the names involved. Giles Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Jefferies > On 3 Jan 2011 at 14:39, Chris Jefferies wrote: > >> I have 125 Jefferies on my Tree and I have no other Christopher >> Jefferies on my tree either. The person in question has now been >> released on police bail but someone said that he was born somewhere in >> Lincolnshire but I don't know how true that is. However it is still >> possible that his ancestors came from the Bristol area originally. > > > Numerous press reports, easily found with Google, say that the Chris > Jefferies who > has been released on bail was born at Grimsby in 1945. These references > include the > website of the Grimsby Evening Telegraph. > > The online GRO birth indexes reveal only one person of that name born in > 1945, a > Christopher J E Jefferies born at Grimsby in the Jan-March quarter, so > there seems > little doubt about it. > > His mother's maiden name was HARRIMAN and the marriage indexes have the > marriage of an Edward P JEFFERIES and Kathleen HARRIMAN at Bucklow, > Cheshire, in 1938. Today's Daily Mail quotes an aunt, Barbara Jefferies, > speaking at > her home in Wilmslow, Cheshire, so it seems likely the family came from > that area > and not Bristol. FreeBMD has only one Edward P Jefferies who was born at > Chorlton, > a Manchester registration district, in 1911 and the most likely candidate > for the mother > was Kathleen Harriman, born at Ashton (also a Manchester/Cheshire area RD) > in > 1912. > > It has surely been well established that he only moved to Bristol when he > took up a > teaching post at Clifton College. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 3 Jan 2011 at 14:39, Chris Jefferies wrote: > I have 125 Jefferies on my Tree and I have no other Christopher > Jefferies on my tree either. The person in question has now been > released on police bail but someone said that he was born somewhere in > Lincolnshire but I don't know how true that is. However it is still > possible that his ancestors came from the Bristol area originally. > Numerous press reports, easily found with Google, say that the Chris Jefferies who has been released on bail was born at Grimsby in 1945. These references include the website of the Grimsby Evening Telegraph. The online GRO birth indexes reveal only one person of that name born in 1945, a Christopher J E Jefferies born at Grimsby in the Jan-March quarter, so there seems little doubt about it. His mother's maiden name was HARRIMAN and the marriage indexes have the marriage of an Edward P JEFFERIES and Kathleen HARRIMAN at Bucklow, Cheshire, in 1938. Today's Daily Mail quotes an aunt, Barbara Jefferies, speaking at her home in Wilmslow, Cheshire, so it seems likely the family came from that area and not Bristol. FreeBMD has only one Edward P Jefferies who was born at Chorlton, a Manchester registration district, in 1911 and the most likely candidate for the mother was Kathleen Harriman, born at Ashton (also a Manchester/Cheshire area RD) in 1912. It has surely been well established that he only moved to Bristol when he took up a teaching post at Clifton College. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I traced my Jefferies with certainty back to my GG grandfather Thomas Jefferies born around the early 1790s. I have a range of 12 year for his birth date from the mid 1780s to mid 1790s but if you ignore the death date and that in the 1841 census you get to a birth date in the early 1890s. He is probably the son of Thomas Jefferies and Hannah Stone baptised at Syston in 1792. This is the parish where most Jefferies, Jefferis etc can be found and I estimate that pre 1800 around 1/3 of the graves are variations of the surname. I have 125 Jefferies on my Tree and I have no other Christopher Jefferies on my tree either. The person in question has now been released on police bail but someone said that he was born somewhere in Lincolnshire but I don't know how true that is. However it is still possible that his ancestors came from the Bristol area originally. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Frey Sent: 03 January 2011 04:52 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Jefferies Hi Chris, Let me know the results of your research. I checked my JEFFERIES entries in my genealogy file and I don't have a Chris or Christopher. I traced my branch back from Bristol to Siston, Gloucester. It would be interesting to know if the lineage of the accused also goes back there. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! NorthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! SouthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! WestWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jefferies" <chris.jefferies@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: [B&S] Jefferies > Its not a good day to be called Chris Jefferies!! > > > > I am not aware of anyone else of that name on my tree so if there is a > family connection it is a very distant one as Jefferies is quite a common > surname around Bristol. Yesterday on the TV news when they announced that > they had an interview with the murdered girl's landlord called Chris > Jefferies I had a very strange feeling as I waited to see what he looked > like. It was a very odd interview and when they first announced this morning > that someone had been arrested I knew immediately it was him. > > > > Perhaps I should try and trace his family back to see if there is a > connection as its always good to have a connection to someone famous or > infamous. Some years ago I Googled my name and most hits were for someone in > Bristol but I don't think it was him as he I believe is a lecturer and the > person I found like me worked in IT. > > > > Chris Jefferies > > Cheltenham > > Glos > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3355 - Release Date: 01/02/11

Hi Ros, I am not a member of this group, but I did post it on the Bristol group a year ago with no reply. I have asked for help in the past with regard to Charles families pre 1800 for the Bedminster area no response. Rg Lynne ---------------------------------------- > From: rosjohn@supanet.com > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:19:07 +0000 > Subject: Re: [B&S] Rachel Charles > > Dear Lynne > Can I recommend you posting this question on the Yahoo Somerset Hundreds > group for Hartcliffe and Bedminster. You may well find someone there with > the relevant information for you - although I expect there's quite a lot of > crossover with this group. It might help, though. > Hope you find what you're looking for > ros > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, Let me know the results of your research. I checked my JEFFERIES entries in my genealogy file and I don't have a Chris or Christopher. I traced my branch back from Bristol to Siston, Gloucester. It would be interesting to know if the lineage of the accused also goes back there. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group Moderator of Yahoo! NorthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! SouthWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! WestWiltshire Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jefferies" <chris.jefferies@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:45 AM Subject: [B&S] Jefferies > Its not a good day to be called Chris Jefferies!! > > > > I am not aware of anyone else of that name on my tree so if there is a > family connection it is a very distant one as Jefferies is quite a common > surname around Bristol. Yesterday on the TV news when they announced that > they had an interview with the murdered girl's landlord called Chris > Jefferies I had a very strange feeling as I waited to see what he looked > like. It was a very odd interview and when they first announced this morning > that someone had been arrested I knew immediately it was him. > > > > Perhaps I should try and trace his family back to see if there is a > connection as its always good to have a connection to someone famous or > infamous. Some years ago I Googled my name and most hits were for someone in > Bristol but I don't think it was him as he I believe is a lecturer and the > person I found like me worked in IT. > > > > Chris Jefferies > > Cheltenham > > Glos > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message