Thanks once again Yvonne. Will print this off for reference. Now I can really get "stuck in" and print off all the Census pages. Kind regards, Les. #17255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Fw: 1841 Census William CANN Tailor- St Augustine the LessHelp with street name please > Hi Les, > > To get to the Old Search, go to Search at the top of the screen, then > Search > All Records - to the right of your screen in small letters, you will see > the > link to Old Search. > > When you have that screen, just above where you enter First and Middle > Names, is a small box, Exact Matches Only - tick it. > > Yvonne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LHIBBARD > > Yvonne, humble apologies, my small screen is a nuisance (wife has all the > new stuff unfortunately) have managed to see it better on her machine, > page > numbers are right at the bottom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LHIBBARD" <lhibbard@clear.net.nz> > To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> > >> Yvonne, thanks for that. >> >> Have a lot more to learn. Especially with those two tail enders Folio: 22 >> Page: 39 descriptions. >> >> I presume the Image No. refers to something entirely different ?. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Les. >> #17255 >> >> Ps. An inkling into the (Old Search and Exact Matches), wouldn't go amiss >> either. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a marriage that took place on March 26th 1804 at St Johns, between Hannah Harden and Isaac Sayer. Would some one please be kind enough to look this up and see if there is a mention of where they came from and possibly how old they were. Many Thanks Sandra

Josephine, Thank you so much for the additional information, particularly the burials. I think the second Fortunatus Hagley is the son of Robert and Mary who was baptised in London (St Leonards Shoreditch) in 1753. So your conclusion that the two Fortunatus men were not father and son is probably correct. However I am certain there must be a relationship between them - too much of a coincidence to have such unusual names and the same profession; perhaps uncle and nephew? Thank you once again Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:02 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] HAGLEY Fortunatus, burials, St. Thomas, Bristol, 1760 & 1806 (was John HADLEY and Fortunatus HAGLEY) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. Hi Sandra, Fortunatus HAGLEY, Taylor (sic) is listed in the parish of St. Mary Redcliffe in the 1754 Bristol Poll Book. In this Poll Book, there isn't an entry for John HADLEY but there are entries for two people called HADLEY in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob -- Daniel HADLEY, Hallier and Caleb HADLEY, Hallier. Perhaps your John HADLEY belonged to this family of halliers. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote:> > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. Hi Sandra, Fortunatus HAGLEY, Taylor (sic) is listed in the parish of St. Thomas in the 1734 Bristol Poll Book. In this Poll Book, there isn't an entry for John HADLEY but there are entries for two people called HADLEY in the parish of St. Philip & St. Jacob -- Gilbert HADLEY, Gunsmith and Daniel HADLEY, Hallier. This doesn't help much in your quest for John HADLEY in Bristol, but at least you now know that there were people called HADLEY in Bristol in the mid 18th century. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I have known the word limner for a long time - as one who draws - using lines to delineate and yes as a prtrait painter. I looked it up to check and it is much earlier - from illumination, the French for that is "enluminure" both verb and noun. I had never before heard of a limner as being iterinerant - but of course he could be! You go where the work is! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limner http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=1&oq=to+limn&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DAFR_enFR229FR229&q=to+limn+definition Jean > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:14:32 +0000 > Subject: [B&S] HAGLEY Fortunatus, marriage, 1777, Bristol Volunteers, 1798 (was John HADLEY and Fortunatus HAGLEY) > > On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > > Bristol. > > > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. > > Hi Sandra, > > In my previous message, I mentioned that there were two people called > Fortunatus HAGLEY in Bristol in the 18th century. I don't have any more > information on the elder Fortunatus, but have some snippets on the younger > one. > > Fortunatus HAGLEY of St. Augustine and Ann LEWIS were married, by licence, > on 16th. December 1777, at the church of St. James, Bristol. > > This marriage is included in the Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 > Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1837, which is produced on CD by > Bristol & Avon Family History Society: www.bafhs.org.uk > > Bristol Volunteers of 1798 > First Company -- Fortunatus HAGLEY, Taylor (sic), Orchard Street > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen, I think you're right - that they're coincidences, but you never know. I have no idea what made John GOULD go to Bath to become a policeman. If there were members of his family, even perhaps uncles, aunts or distant cousins, who told him about the prospect of work, those people may be part of your family, and hence there is a relationship between our families somewhere. You're also right that I don't know much about William. He was, according to the 1841 census, born in Somerset between 1801 and 1806. He married Hannah CLARKE in Chewton Mendip in 1828, and they went on to have 6 children: John (b.1830), George (b.1833), Alfred (b.1835), Ann (b.1839), Elizabeth (b.1841) and William (b.1844). William (senior) was a stonemason, and that's about all I know about him. Of the kids, I've told you about John and Elizabeth. George and William appear in the 1851 census with their mother in Litton, an adjacent parish to Chewton Mendip. After that, things become uncertain. I cannot find George, although I believe that William joins the Kings Own Borderers and is in Aldershot in 1861. After that, I cannot find him again. Alfred travels to Birmingham, marries Caroline STORER and they immediately emigrate to America. Throughout their lives, they live in Canada, Ohio, Kansas and California. I haven't been able to find the birth of William - an area of "Somerset" and a uncertainty date of 1801 to 1806 makes that pretty difficult, especially when "William" was one of the most common names at the time ! So that's probably not very helpful for you - I wish I had more. I suppose it might be worth checking whether there was a William GOULD born in Croscombe between 1801 and 1806 who can't be accounted for by either a death before 1841 or an entry in the 1841 census. Do you have access to the Parish Registers ? If there's anything else I can tell you, don't hesitate to ask. Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Francis Sent: 15 January 2011 15:37 To: B&S list Subject: Re: [B&S] Introduction and research interests Dear Mike GOULD Thanks for your message. At first I thought that we must be connected but, after having looked at your folks in censuses, I really don't know. However, here are two coincidences. Firstly, your John GOULD was, for however short a period, a police officer that may have served in Bathwick. In my family, my x3 great grandfather, Charles GOULD was also a police officer [Sgt "M" Charles GOULD. At age 25: height 5' 9", sallow complexion, brown hair and blue eyes. Married with the trade of 'sheerman' (scissors maker according to the website Scotland's People) born in Croscombe, Somerset. Promoted to 1st class constable March 11th 1851 and to sergeant August 27th 1864. Commended on February 19th 1869 by the Watch Committee for 'zeal and ability in the capture of two men found with Housebreaking implements in their possession'. Date of appointment: March 1839. Date of Superannuation: November 14th 1879. Pension was 19s 7d per week.] Charles was born in Croscombe, Somerset in 1816, son of Isaac and Ann. As far as I know the two boys named William that could have been Charles' brothers both died young therefore your chap is not related in that way. You don't say much about your William and, since he died between 1844-1851 I guess you may not know much about him? Anyway, the second big coincidence is that in 1861 Hannah GOULD was, as you say, living at 4 Trinity Street which is off Kingsmead Square. My x3 great grandfather, John RIDOUT, lived there from 1830 to some point between 1844 (trade directory listing) and 1851 (census). Charles GOULD and John RIDOUT were not directly related - Charles was the great grandfather of Elsie May BEATON and Elsie May BEATON (my maternal grandmother) was wife of the great grandson of John. Total confusion! So... the conclusion is that we may be related but it would depend on knowing more about your William. Over to you :-) Regards, Karen

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:09:18 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Thank you Josephine. Another snippet to add. > Am I right to assume that the two references being made a burgess > refers to two separate men? > Can one be made a burgess twice? I didnt think so. So perhaps this is > father and son? Hi Sandra, Thanks for your response. Yes, they were two separate men. I couldn't find baptisms for any children of either of the men named Fortunatus HAGLEY in the Bristol Baptisms 1754-1812. When the younger Fortunatus was made a Bristol Burgess, his qualification to become one wasn't because his father was a Bristol Burgess, but because he had married the daughter of a Bristol Burgess. Perhaps the elder Fortunatus wasn't his father. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Yvonne, humble apologies, my small screen is a nuisance (wife has all the new stuff unfortunately) have managed to see it better on her machine, page numbers are right at the bottom. Kind regards, Les. #17255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LHIBBARD" <lhibbard@clear.net.nz> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] 1841 Census William CANN Tailor- St Augustine the Less Help with street name please > Yvonne, thanks for that. > > Have a lot more to learn. Especially with those two tail enders Folio: 22 > Page: 39 descriptions. > > I presume the Image No. refers to something entirely different ?. > > Kind regards, > > Les. > #17255 > > Ps. An inkling into the (Old Search and Exact Matches), wouldn't go amiss > either. > > les. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> > To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] 1841 Census William CANN Tailor- St Augustine the Less > Help with street name please > > >> Hi Les, >> >> Chris didn't give an age, so if you did a search and specified William >> CANN, >> St Augustine the Less, Gloucestershire, there were two results. (I use >> the >> Old Search, and Exact Matches). >> >> What Chris gave us were the details of the image that he was referring >> to: >> Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St >> Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 6; >> Folio: 22; Page: 39 >> >> If you click on View Record for the first William CANN, b abt 1786, and >> scroll down, you will see the Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; >> Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; >> Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 10; Page: 15 >> >> This is the one who lived at Pipe Lane. >> >> The second William CANN, b abt 1811, has the correct Source Citation to >> match the one Chris was referring to - this one lived on Frogmore St. >> >> Yvonne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LHIBBARD >> >> Yvonne, I am new to the Ancestry.co.uk lesser subscription, which is >> dearer >> enough for a pensioner like me. >> >> What is the difference between Pipe Lane on the Census and Frogmore >> Street >> as you have shown. >> >> Regards, >> >> Les. >> #17255 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yvonne, thanks for that. Have a lot more to learn. Especially with those two tail enders Folio: 22 Page: 39 descriptions. I presume the Image No. refers to something entirely different ?. Kind regards, Les. #17255 Ps. An inkling into the (Old Search and Exact Matches), wouldn't go amiss either. les. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] 1841 Census William CANN Tailor- St Augustine the Less Help with street name please > Hi Les, > > Chris didn't give an age, so if you did a search and specified William > CANN, > St Augustine the Less, Gloucestershire, there were two results. (I use the > Old Search, and Exact Matches). > > What Chris gave us were the details of the image that he was referring to: > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St > Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 6; > Folio: 22; Page: 39 > > If you click on View Record for the first William CANN, b abt 1786, and > scroll down, you will see the Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; > Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; > Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 10; Page: 15 > > This is the one who lived at Pipe Lane. > > The second William CANN, b abt 1811, has the correct Source Citation to > match the one Chris was referring to - this one lived on Frogmore St. > > Yvonne > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LHIBBARD > > Yvonne, I am new to the Ancestry.co.uk lesser subscription, which is > dearer > enough for a pensioner like me. > > What is the difference between Pipe Lane on the Census and Frogmore Street > as you have shown. > > Regards, > > Les. > #17255 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. Hi Sandra, In my previous message, I mentioned that there were two people called Fortunatus HAGLEY in Bristol in the 18th century. I don't have any more information on the elder Fortunatus, but have some snippets on the younger one. Fortunatus HAGLEY of St. Augustine and Ann LEWIS were married, by licence, on 16th. December 1777, at the church of St. James, Bristol. This marriage is included in the Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1837, which is produced on CD by Bristol & Avon Family History Society: www.bafhs.org.uk Bristol Volunteers of 1798 First Company -- Fortunatus HAGLEY, Taylor (sic), Orchard Street Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Thank you Josephine. Another snippet to add. Am I right to assume that the two references being made a burgess refers to two separate men? Can one be made a burgess twice? I didnt think so. So perhaps this is father and son? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:54 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] HAGLEY Fortunatus, Bristol Burgesses, 1733 and 1784 ( was John HADLEY and Fortunatus HAGLEY) On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. > Kind regards Hi Sandra, I've seen two people called Fortunatus HAGLEY in my Bristol resources. Fortunatus HAGLEY, Tailor, was made a Bristol Burgess on 22nd. February 1733 by vote of Council. Fortunatus HAGLEY, Merchant Tailor, was made a Bristol Burgess on 29th. April 1784. His qualification to be made a Bristol Burgess was through his marriage to Ann daughter of Thomas LEWIS, Whittawer. Source Bristol Burgess Books, Vols. 1 to 21 Index & Transcriptions 1557-1995 produced on CD by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. wwww.bafhs.org.uk Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. Hi Sandra, Fortunatis (sic) HAGLEY was buried on 19th. December 1760 at St. Thomas, Bristol. No age was given, but this could have been the Fortunatus HAGLEY who was made a Bristol Burgess in 1733. Fortunatus HAGLEY, aged 52 years, was buried on 20th. August 1806 in Old Yard, St. Thomas, Bristol. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:12:00 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that > my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of > Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a > limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised > in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy > Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her > upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of > Bristol. > I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and > possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. > Kind regards Hi Sandra, I've seen two people called Fortunatus HAGLEY in my Bristol resources. Fortunatus HAGLEY, Tailor, was made a Bristol Burgess on 22nd. February 1733 by vote of Council. Fortunatus HAGLEY, Merchant Tailor, was made a Bristol Burgess on 29th. April 1784. His qualification to be made a Bristol Burgess was through his marriage to Ann daughter of Thomas LEWIS, Whittawer. Source Bristol Burgess Books, Vols. 1 to 21 Index & Transcriptions 1557-1995 produced on CD by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. wwww.bafhs.org.uk Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi Les, To get to the Old Search, go to Search at the top of the screen, then Search All Records - to the right of your screen in small letters, you will see the link to Old Search. When you have that screen, just above where you enter First and Middle Names, is a small box, Exact Matches Only - tick it. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LHIBBARD Yvonne, humble apologies, my small screen is a nuisance (wife has all the new stuff unfortunately) have managed to see it better on her machine, page numbers are right at the bottom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LHIBBARD" <lhibbard@clear.net.nz> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> > Yvonne, thanks for that. > > Have a lot more to learn. Especially with those two tail enders Folio: 22 > Page: 39 descriptions. > > I presume the Image No. refers to something entirely different ?. > > Kind regards, > > Les. > #17255 > > Ps. An inkling into the (Old Search and Exact Matches), wouldn't go amiss > either.

Hello list, I am a new subscriber to this list but have been a genealogist for more than 40 years. After many years of fruitless searching I have recently discovered that my direct ancestor Betty HADLEY was the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth VAGG and John HADLEY, a limner of the City of Bristol. (a limner appears to be an itinerant portrait painter). She was baptised in Blandford Forum, Dorset in 1752. Fortunately there is a Bastardy Bond in existence in which John HADLEY agrees to pay £50 a year for her upkeep. The other bondsman is Fortunatus HAGLEY a merchant tailor of Bristol. I have found quite a few snippets of information about Fortunatus, including his bankruptcy and his will. I have a strong feeling that Fortunatus and John were related, even though the surnames are slightly different; possibly even father and son. I am looking for a baptism and burial records for either man, and possible marriages. If anyone can help I should be very grateful. Kind regards Sandra

Thank you Yvonne > Frogmore St. > I would be most grateful if anyone could work out the name of the street > that William CANN > was living in at the time of the 1841 Census. > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St > Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 6; > Folio: 22; Page: 39

Yvonne, I am new to the Ancestry.co.uk lesser subscription, which is dearer enough for a pensioner like me. What is the difference between Pipe Lane on the Census and Frogmore Street as you have shown. Regards, Les. #17255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Scrivener" <scrivener@iinet.net.au> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] 1841 Census William CANN Tailor- St Augustine the Less Help with street name please > > Frogmore St. > > Yvonne Scrivener > Canberra ACT > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Farrington > > I would be most grateful if anyone could work out the name of the street > that William CANN > was living in at the time of the 1841 Census. > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St > Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 6; > Folio: 22; Page: 39 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Les, Chris didn't give an age, so if you did a search and specified William CANN, St Augustine the Less, Gloucestershire, there were two results. (I use the Old Search, and Exact Matches). What Chris gave us were the details of the image that he was referring to: Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 22; Page: 39 If you click on View Record for the first William CANN, b abt 1786, and scroll down, you will see the Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 371; Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Augustine The Less; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 10; Page: 15 This is the one who lived at Pipe Lane. The second William CANN, b abt 1811, has the correct Source Citation to match the one Chris was referring to - this one lived on Frogmore St. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LHIBBARD Yvonne, I am new to the Ancestry.co.uk lesser subscription, which is dearer enough for a pensioner like me. What is the difference between Pipe Lane on the Census and Frogmore Street as you have shown. Regards, Les. #17255

Dear Mike GOULD Thanks for your message. At first I thought that we must be connected but, after having looked at your folks in censuses, I really don't know. However, here are two coincidences. Firstly, your John GOULD was, for however short a period, a police officer that may have served in Bathwick. In my family, my x3 great grandfather, Charles GOULD was also a police officer [Sgt “M” Charles GOULD. At age 25: height 5’ 9”, sallow complexion, brown hair and blue eyes. Married with the trade of ‘sheerman’ (scissors maker according to the website Scotland’s People) born in Croscombe, Somerset. Promoted to 1st class constable March 11th 1851 and to sergeant August 27th 1864. Commended on February 19th 1869 by the Watch Committee for ‘zeal and ability in the capture of two men found with Housebreaking implements in their possession’. Date of appointment: March 1839. Date of Superannuation: November 14th 1879. Pension was 19s 7d per week.] Charles was born in Croscombe, Somerset in 1816, son of Isaac and Ann. As far as I know the two boys named William that could have been Charles' brothers both died young therefore your chap is not related in that way. You don't say much about your William and, since he died between 1844-1851 I guess you may not know much about him? Anyway, the second big coincidence is that in 1861 Hannah GOULD was, as you say, living at 4 Trinity Street which is off Kingsmead Square. My x3 great grandfather, John RIDOUT, lived there from 1830 to some point between 1844 (trade directory listing) and 1851 (census). Charles GOULD and John RIDOUT were not directly related - Charles was the great grandfather of Elsie May BEATON and Elsie May BEATON (my maternal grandmother) was wife of the great grandson of John. Total confusion! So... the conclusion is that we may be related but it would depend on knowing more about your William. Over to you :-) Regards, Karen