Hi Josephine, Matthew Flinders featured heavily in my school history lessons. particularly because he proved Van Diemen's Land was an island.I can remember making posters with badly drawn pictures of Bass and Flinders in their small boat. My mother in law was born on Flinders Island. The map is an important historical document, particuarly for Australians.but does this give us the right to it? I don't think so, but it would be a nice gesture to loan it to the country that appreciates it's importance rather than have it languish unappreciated in storage. regards Janine ---------------------------------------- > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:56:03 +0000 > Subject: Re: [B&S] Australia calls for return of historic map -- this isSomerset article > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:01:35 -0000, Roy Stockdill > wrote: > > > What therefore is the justification for the "return" of the map to a > > country where it has never actually resided? As Andrew Flinders was a > > Somerset man, is it not entirely appropriate that his historic map > > should reside within his home county? Simply because his map was the > > first to use the word "Australia", this is not in any way justification > > for sending it to a country where it has never actually "lived"! > > I suspect most people in the United Kingdom have never heard of Captain > Flinders and his map of Australia, whereas many people in Australia are > probably familiar with the name especially as, according to the following > web page about this captain in the Royal Navy, over 100 geographicial > features and places are associated with his name in Australia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Flinders > > I don't think that I had ever heard of him before today or, if I had, I > didn't retain the information. > > Note his name was Matthew not Andrew and he was born in Lincolnshire > rather than in Somerset. I don't know if he had any association with > Somerset. > > Further information about Matthew Flinders is on a BBC web page: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/content/articles/2006/12/22/famous_yellowbelly_matthew_flinders_feature.shtml > > Looking at these sites, I can say that I have certainly found out > something new today. > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is much more reasonable, bringing it our for display to commerate an event. Why he has to run around with a petition I don't know, yet another stunt. A request to send it out on loan would do the trick I should think. Tom On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:59:45 +1100, klausdach wrote: > >Greg Hunt is the Federal Member for Flinders here in Victoria and he has a >Petition circulating in support of a request that the Map be brought to >Australia for display to highlight the Bi-Centenary of Flinders Death in >2014. His concern is that this Historic Document is not and has not >been made available for public display and has languished in the Archives >and suggests that as it is deemed not worthy of display locally that it >should be more appropriatly made available here as the Article suggests. >Patricia G. In Melbourne. > > >> Australia calls for return of historic map >> >> http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Australia-calls-return-historic-map/article-3158932-detail/article.html >> >> -- >> Josephine Jeremiah >> www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:52:40 +1000, bev bonning wrote: >I've certainly read about the call for the return of this map here in >Australia. It is the use of the word "return" that grates with me, as Roy says, it has NEVER been in Australia, nor NSW. Cheers, Tom <tomp@st.net.au> Tom Perrett

Hi, This is my first post on this list and I would appreciate any advice on finding the birth and parents of GEORGE HOOPER, born about 1818, convicted of breaking into the house of Thomas West, near Bristol and sentenced to 15 years tranportation to Tasmania in 1842. On his convict records he states he leaves his mother ANNA/HANNAH and brother JOHN and sisters CHARLOTTE and ANNA/HANNAH back in Bristol. His occupation is listed as a wood turner.His last address was Blackfriars Rd. On some of his records it gives his name as George ULEY Hooper and some of his children and grandchildren in Tasmania also have the middle name of ULEY. On his Australian death certificate it states his parents were George Hooper, soldier, and Hannah Hooper, formerly COOPER of Bristol. Another family researcher was given the information that he was connected to William, John and Hannah CLARKE who emigrated to New Zealand from Bristol,Gloucestershire. I have found baptismal records for William Uley Clark & John Uley Clark (1827) and Hannah Uley Clark (1829) at St.James, Bristol, Gloucester, England which may indicate that there was some connection. I have been unable to find a birth for George Hooper, with matching siblings, as per his description. I would love to hear from any one connected with this family. regards Janine

> Matthew Flinders featured heavily in my school history lessons. > particularly because he proved Van Diemen's Land was an island.I can > remember making posters with badly drawn pictures of Bass and Flinders > in their small boat. My mother in law was born on Flinders Island. The > map is an important historical document, particuarly for > Australians.but does this give us the right to it? I don't think so, > but it would be a nice gesture to loan it to the country that > appreciates it's importance rather than have it languish unappreciated > in storage. > I would entirely agree with that and I respect your suggestion. Loan yes, "return" no. It would indeed be good for Australians to see the original map if it is so important to their heritage. Perhaps it could be loaned out for a period of, say, one year or two, and put on public display in a major city with the usual provisions for security, etc. There have been numerous examples of treasures from other countries being loaned to the British Museum and displayed in London for a limited period. It wouldn't do us any harm to reciprocate occasionally -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Greg Hunt is the Federal Member for Flinders here in Victoria and he has a Petition circulating in support of a request that the Map be brought to Australia for display to highlight the Bi-Centenary of Flinders Death in 2014. His concern is that this Historic Document is not and has not been made available for public display and has languished in the Archives and suggests that as it is deemed not worthy of display locally that it should be more appropriatly made available here as the Article suggests. Patricia G. In Melbourne. > Australia calls for return of historic map > > http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Australia-calls-return-historic-map/article-3158932-detail/article.html > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to Josephine's message there is a George Hooper son of Thomas and Martha baptised in Winterborne 26 Dec 1815 other children James 22 Oct 1809 Thomas 30 Sep 1810 buried 29 Dec 1811 Thomas 12 Jan 1812 William 11 June 1813 Eleanor Pullin 26 Oct 1817 Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] HOOPER, CLARKE & ULEY

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:40:37 -0000, Janine Gall <janine.gall@hotmail.com> wrote: > Matthew Flinders featured heavily in my school history lessons. > particularly because he proved Van Diemen's Land was an island.I can > remember making posters with badly drawn pictures of Bass and Flinders > in their small boat. My mother in law was born on Flinders Island. > The map is an important historical document, particuarly for > Australians.but does this give us the right to it? I don't think so, but > it would be a nice gesture to loan it to the country that appreciates > it's importance rather than have it languish unappreciated in storage. Hi Janine and Listers, We have certainly benefited in the United Kingdom from the loan of historical items from other countries. I remember the Tutankhamun exhibition in 1972 at the British Museum and how people queued for hours to see it. 1972 -- that seems a lifetime away now:-) Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:45:44 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >Australia calls for return of historic map > >http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Australia-calls-return-historic-map/article-3158932-detail/article.html > Not heard of this down here, I see it was not even created in or near Australia, doesn't worry this Australian that it is in Somerset. Cheers, Tom <tomp@st.net.au> Tom Perrett

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:38:10 -0000, Janine Gall <janine.gall@hotmail.com> wrote: > This is my first post on this list and I would appreciate any advice on > finding the birth and parents ofGEORGE HOOPER, born about 1818, > convicted of breaking into the house of Thomas West, near Bristol and > sentenced to 15 years tranportation to Tasmania in 1842. > On some of his records it gives his name as George ULEY Hooper and some > of his children andgrandchildren in Tasmania also have the middle name > of ULEY. On his Australian death certificate it states his parents were > George Hooper, soldier, and Hannah Hooper, formerly COOPER of Bristol. Welcome to the list, Janine. I've had a look in some of my resources, but I couldn't make a match for your George HOOPER and his family. However, there may be a link with Winterbourne near Bristol as I see that Martha ULEY and Thomas HOOPER were married, by banns, on 16th. July 1808 at Winterbourne, GLS. Both were of the parish I see, too, that John ULEY and Martha PULLIN were married, by banns, on 29th. October 1794 at Winterbourne. Both were of the parish. These marriages are included in Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Hannah ULEY, daughter of Jno and Martha, was born on 18th. September 1796 and baptized on 23rd. October 1796 at Kingsdown Portland Street Methodist. This baptism is included in Nonconformist Baptismal Registers in Bristol Record Office 1754 to 1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:01:35 -0000, Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: > What therefore is the justification for the "return" of the map to a > country where it has never actually resided? As Andrew Flinders was a > Somerset man, is it not entirely appropriate that his historic map > should reside within his home county? Simply because his map was the > first to use the word "Australia", this is not in any way justification > for sending it to a country where it has never actually "lived"! I suspect most people in the United Kingdom have never heard of Captain Flinders and his map of Australia, whereas many people in Australia are probably familiar with the name especially as, according to the following web page about this captain in the Royal Navy, over 100 geographicial features and places are associated with his name in Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Flinders I don't think that I had ever heard of him before today or, if I had, I didn't retain the information. Note his name was Matthew not Andrew and he was born in Lincolnshire rather than in Somerset. I don't know if he had any association with Somerset. Further information about Matthew Flinders is on a BBC web page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/content/articles/2006/12/22/famous_yellowbelly_matthew_flinders_feature.shtml Looking at these sites, I can say that I have certainly found out something new today. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I've certainly read about the call for the return of this map here in Australia. Historically it has an importance for Australians. And it really doesn't matter where it was created. However I learned more about it from the link that Josephine posted than I knew previously. I still remember the lessons in primary school about great navigators like Matthew Flinders. But I didn't know of his Somerset connection even though that is through the location of the UK Hydrographic Office. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Perrett" <tomp@st.net.au> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Australia calls for return of historic map -- this isSomerset article > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 09:45:44 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > >>Australia calls for return of historic map >> >>http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/news/Australia-calls-return-historic-map/article-3158932-detail/article.html >> > > Not heard of this down here, I see it was not even > created in or near Australia, doesn't worry this > Australian that it is in Somerset. > > > Cheers, > > Tom <tomp@st.net.au> Tom Perrett > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The following thought occurs to me..... The most famous, historic and priceless artifact in probably the whole wide world - certainly in Europe anyway - is William the Conqueror's Domesday Book of 1086, which was in effect the very earliest census of England. This is kept in conditions of very considerable security at The National Archives (formerly the Public Record Office) - at Kew, Surrey. Given that William the Conqueror was originally from Normandy, would anyone seriously suggest that the Domesday Book belongs to France and should be "returned" there? The Domesday Book was created and published entirely in England and, thus, rightfully belongs here. The subject line of this thread includes the phrase "return of historic map". The word "return" presupposes that the map was originally created and published in Australia, which seemingly it was not. Nor has it ever at any stage resided there. What therefore is the justification for the "return" of the map to a country where it has never actually resided? As Andrew Flinders was a Somerset man, is it not entirely appropriate that his historic map should reside within his home county? Simply because his map was the first to use the word "Australia", this is not in any way justification for sending it to a country where it has never actually "lived"! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Here's an interesting web site, which has links to online resources for old postcards of Ilminster, Minehead, Taunton, Weston-super-Mare: http://www.somersetian.com/ Another link from the site takes you to a page from which there are links to pages with old postcards of many other places in Somerset: http://www.oldpicturepostcards.co.uk/somerset.htm -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

List members interested in Gloucestershire may enjoy the old photographs of places in the county, which can be found following links from here: http://www.oldukphotos.com/gloucestershire.htm This page also has links to old photos of Bristol, Avonmouth, Clifton and Redcliffe. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

List members interested in Somerset may enjoy the old photographs of places in the county, which can be found following links from here: http://www.oldukphotos.com/somerset.htm -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:20:52 -0000, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > I would be very grateful if someone could please give me the lowdown (if > there is one) on using old postcards? Hi Karen, I remember that you and I corresponded, off list, about this topic a few years ago. Unfortunately, the web pages I sent you then no longer exist so I can't add anything at the moment. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Dear List I would be very grateful if someone could please give me the lowdown (if there is one) on using old postcards? I 'publish' a family history newsletter every month, which I send to my cousins and I also have a new blog and website on which I would occasionally like to use these old images. It's easy with a book - you can write and ask the publisher, but what do you do with postcards? At what point are these freely useable, if ever? And how can you date them if there is such a time limit? Thank you. Regards, Karen http://the-ridouts.com/

Last year a hoard of over 52,500 Roman coins was discovered in a field near Frome. The Museum of Somerset is trying to raise money to keep the Roman coin hoard in the county. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-12285254 More information about the Frome Hoard is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frome_Hoard -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:52:40 -0000, bev bonning <kosan@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I've certainly read about the call for the return of this map here in > Australia. > Historically it has an importance for Australians. > And it really doesn't matter where it was created. > However I learned more about it from the link that Josephine posted than > I knew previously. > I still remember the lessons in primary school about great navigators > likeMatthew Flinders. But I didn't know of his Somerset connection even > thoughthat is through the location of the UK Hydrographic Office. Hi Bev and Listers, I've discovered something new, today, too, on the BBC web page concerning the map of Australia drawn by Matthew Flinders. Looking for more, I see that there is further information and an illustration of this map on the following web page: http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/encounter/collection/B12985211_92.htm Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com