Josephine~       I too, have been "wrestling" with this 1851 census of Eliza GRIFFITHS.  On the certificate of death for my g grandmother, her father's surname was listed as GRIFFITH which was quite incorrect.  On my grandmother's death certificate her mother's maiden name was listed as MURPHY.  Thus the same woman was assigned two different surnames by the people who were the informants.  On the former one it was my grandmother who was the informant.  One would think she would have known her mother's maiden name!  For the latter it was my Uncle Bill to supply his grandmother's maiden name which he stated MURPHY!!  Not even close or has a MURPHY surname ever been documented!!  These are prime examples of data on COD's being only as good as the informants knowledge.        Yesterday, I spent a great deal of time in the English census.  I have begun to think that Eliza GRIFFITH is wife #2 but where was Wm. between 1845 and 1861 when he shows up in the census with his father.  He lists his place of birth as Newport Monmouthshire Wale.  Could not locate him in 1851.  He could have been with a relative or maybe in an apprenticeship for coach maker.  Noticed that some men are listed as on vessel & ships name in the census.  My g grandfather if apprenticed might be listed as on vessel somewhere in the records.          Found that Abigail and Zacariah died as young children, not sure what happened to the other child.  Could David, as a young widower, placed his surviving children with family for the girl and apprenticeships for the sons??         More research and a snowy snowy day is needed.  Think the latter part is predicted starting tomorrow night.  Again thank you for your continuing interest. Mary Ellen Chambers ----- Original Message ---- From: Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 7:06:22 AM Subject: [B&S] GRIFFITHS as surname of Frederick John rather than TOWNSEND (was TOWNSEND Family) On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:03:26 -0000, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@yahoo.com> wrote: > My g grandfather Fredrick J. TOWNSEND, was the son of David TOWNSEND  > Coach Maker of Bristol St. Paul area. > The 1861 census has 2 daughters; Alice born 1857, Louisa born 1859 and  > his son Wm. born 1845. Eliza is listed as his wife.  Both David and Wm,  > are listed as coach makers. Hi Mary Ellen, In a previous message, I noted that FreeBMD has a marriage registration in Bristol for David TOWNSEND in the June quarter of 1851 and that Eliza GRIFFITHS is recorded among the possible brides. On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 you wrote: > That may be the correct 2nd wife.  I base this on the fact that on  my g  > grandmother's deathcertificate in 1913, someone gave that surname as her  > father's surname.  This, of course wasincorrect but no one bothered to  > change it. I have been mulling this over for some days and I am beginning to think that the real surname of your great-grandfather could have been GRIFFITHS rather than TOWNSEND as he could have been Eliza's son rather than David's. The marriage certificate of David TOWNSEND and Eliza GRIFFITHS (if this is the correct wife from FreeBMD) could tell you if she was a widow before she married David. It could also tell you her father's name and occupation. I say 'could', because if she was illegitimate her father's name might not be recorded on the certificate. If you knew her father's name and occupation, you might be able to trace this side of the family in the 1841 census. As you think that your great-grandfather, Frederick John, was born c. 1840, you might find him and Eliza under the surname GRIFFITHS in the 1841 census. I am writing this because at the time of the 1841 census, wheelwright, David TOWNSEND, his first wife and children were living at Warmley Hill, Oldland. Both Hannah and David were recorded as being 25 and the children in their household were Abigail, 5, Zachariah, 3, and Mary 3 months. There was no mention of a son John born c.1840. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:21:47 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > In Bristol, the name Cabot is commemorated in Cabot Tower and Cabot > Circus. > How do Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today, please? > Is it Cabot, sounding the t, or Cabo, not sounding the t? On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:59:24 -0000, Dave Napier <dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > With the T. Thanks, Dave for clarifying how Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today. Does anyone remember Cabot being pronounced without the t in the past, please? Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:45:34 -0000, Janine Gall <janine.gall@hotmail.com> wrote: > Are there directories for trades in Bristol that are online? A transcription of Pigot's Bristol Directory of l830 is online here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bristol/Pigot1830.html Bristol directories can also be found on the following web site: www.historicaldirectories.org Select Gloucestershire as the location to see a variety of Gloucestershire and Bristol directories -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

With the T. Dave _____ From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 31 January 2011 08:22 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] Pronunciation of Cabot in Bristol In Bristol, the name Cabot is commemorated in Cabot Tower and Cabot Circus. How do Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today, please? Is it Cabot, sounding the t, or Cabo, not sounding the t? -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3413 - Release Date: 01/30/11

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:00:13 -0000, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > I think that when people did provide information for these censuses they > sometimes put down nicknames etc. The first census record, I saw, showed my great-grandmother, Tabitha, as Bertha. Being new to family history, I was initially unsure if this was the right person though other details in the 1881 household matched including the two surnames of HANCOCK and HAYMAN, which I was researching in the Bitton area. My Mum later confirmed that her grandmother, Tabitha, was known as Bertha in the family. A harder one was Patty PRESS, whom I found in the 1841 Pill census. I couldn't match her to my PRESS family. It was some while later that I discovered that Patty was a nickname for Martha and that Patty PRESS was my 4x great-grandmother, Martha PRESS. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

In Bristol, the name Cabot is commemorated in Cabot Tower and Cabot Circus. How do Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today, please? Is it Cabot, sounding the t, or Cabo, not sounding the t? -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Just to add my twopennywoth... Consider these alternatives... Eliza called herself Emily, her husband called her Emily, she had both names (if you have her baptism you may already know this not to be true). I say this because I have similar occurrences in my family. My great grandmother was an Ada Emily but frequently turned up as Ada Amelia. My great grandfather Edwin's eldest son (who was also named Edwin) called himself Edward, presumably to differentiate himself. I think that when people did provide information for these censuses they sometimes put down nicknames etc. Obviously, the enumerator could have just made a mistake too :-) Karen www.the_ridouts.com

"Giovanni Caboto" Venetian navigator & explorer -- why don't we forget those spellings/pronounciation and call him by the name he was given in Italy... That would solve it. Ciao, Edna - Ottawa

Not sure if she had something to do with Bristol, not really sure how far afield she travelled. She is definitely English though -- Iceni? Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ________________________________ From: adrianp7 <adrianp7@talktalk.net> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 8:45:35 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Pronunciation of famous Names I understand that Bodicca was the Latin form of the name. Not sure what this has to do with B&S family history though (VBG). Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edna Marlow" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: [B&S] Pronunciation of famous Names > What is it with Boadicea, which I was taught in school. Now I hear it's > Boudicca? > What are your thoughts on that one? > > Cheers, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > >

What is it with Boadicea, which I was taught in school. Now I hear it's Boudicca? What are your thoughts on that one? Cheers, Edna - Ottawa ________________________________ From: Dave Napier <dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 7:38:43 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Pronunciation of Cabot in Bristol Hi Josephine When I was at school in the late 50's, one of our school houses was Cabot (with a 'T') then we had a new head who came from somewhere in Devon and it was decided that the proper way was 'Cabo' (so we all obediently followed the lofty lead we were given). I objected to being told to do something I knew was wrong (I'd been brought up on Cabot with a T) and outside of school and since it's always be Cabot with a T to this Bristolian. Since then of course I learned more about the origin of the name and realise that Cabot with a T was an anglicised (or Brisolianised) version of the original which was probably Cabotto ... with two T's and an O! I suspect Cabo had a limited period of popularity in the 50's/early 60's due to the efforts of a small number of middle class teachers to whom 'Cabo' appealed .. I imagine they disliked the way the name was uttered by their working class charges ... sumfink like 'Cabutt' wiv d' T sounded from d' backuv d' froat radder dan d' front of d' mouf wiv d' teeff .. witch was reserved fur d' tower bit. :) Cheers Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Pronunciation of Cabot in Bristol > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:21:47 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah > <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > >> In Bristol, the name Cabot is commemorated in Cabot Tower and Cabot >> Circus. > >> How do Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today, please? > >> Is it Cabot, sounding the t, or Cabo, not sounding the t? > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:59:24 -0000, Dave Napier > <dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> With the T. > > Thanks, Dave for clarifying how Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today. > > Does anyone remember Cabot being pronounced without the t in the past, > please? > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, Wonder if Cabot was really Cabotto, which is Italian and then you would keep the "T" n'est-ce pas? Cheers, Edna - sunny minus 23C ________________________________ From: Dave Napier <dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk> To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 7:38:43 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Pronunciation of Cabot in Bristol Hi Josephine When I was at school in the late 50's, one of our school houses was Cabot (with a 'T') then we had a new head who came from somewhere in Devon and it was decided that the proper way was 'Cabo' (so we all obediently followed the lofty lead we were given). I objected to being told to do something I knew was wrong (I'd been brought up on Cabot with a T) and outside of school and since it's always be Cabot with a T to this Bristolian. Since then of course I learned more about the origin of the name and realise that Cabot with a T was an anglicised (or Brisolianised) version of the original which was probably Cabotto ... with two T's and an O! I suspect Cabo had a limited period of popularity in the 50's/early 60's due to the efforts of a small number of middle class teachers to whom 'Cabo' appealed .. I imagine they disliked the way the name was uttered by their working class charges ... sumfink like 'Cabutt' wiv d' T sounded from d' backuv d' froat radder dan d' front of d' mouf wiv d' teeff .. witch was reserved fur d' tower bit. :) Cheers Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Pronunciation of Cabot in Bristol > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:21:47 -0000, Josephine Jeremiah > <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > >> In Bristol, the name Cabot is commemorated in Cabot Tower and Cabot >> Circus. > >> How do Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today, please? > >> Is it Cabot, sounding the t, or Cabo, not sounding the t? > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:59:24 -0000, Dave Napier > <dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> With the T. > > Thanks, Dave for clarifying how Bristolians pronounce Cabot, today. > > Does anyone remember Cabot being pronounced without the t in the past, > please? > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:17:54 -0000, Janine Gall <janine.gall@hotmail.com> wrote: > The birth you found of Hannah Uley, in Winterbourne, is about the right > age to be the Hannah Uley I found who married a William Clark on 16 > October 1825 but in St. Augustine Watling Street Church, London. Did > mariage records have much info on them at this time? Would it have if > Hannah and William were of that parish? But it seems a long way to go > from Bristol to marry and if Hannah was baptised Methodist would she be > marrying in an Anglican Church? On the other hand this marriage fits in > with the birth of William Uley Clarke in St. James Church, Bristol. Hi Janine, Marriage records could include whether the groom was a bachelor or a widower and whether the bride was a spinster or a widow. The name of the parish of the groom or bride could be included if it was not the same parish where the marriage took place. However, in Bristol, couples were often recorded as being 'of the parish', when they came from other parishes outside the city. Other information, in marriage records, included the names of the witnesses. After Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753, which came into force on 25th. March 1754, only Church of England marriages and those of Jews and Quakers were legal. Even if someone had a Methodist baptism, they would have married in an Anglican church. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi List, My husband’s family tree includes the CLATWORTHY family of Bristol & my mother-in-law has done the research that I have. Recently I have been contacted by a man who is connected by marriage to the CLATWORTHY family, but the information that he gives me is somewhat different from that I have been given by my MIL [mother Eliza for the children rather than Emily]. If somebody could find the family for me in the 1871 & 1881 Census in the Bedminster district would be grateful. If anyone has access to the church records, a confirmation of the parents names would be wonderful As far as I know, the family is as follows; William Edwards CLATWORTHY born abt 1833 Bristol to William CLATWORTHY & Eliza [POOLE] & died 4 July 1899 at Bristol. He married 27th May 1865 in Bristol [love to know the church] to Jane “Emily” COULTER [20th October 1841 Bristol-1902 Bristol]. They had; 1. Eliza CLATWORTHY baptised 11 August 1867 at Temple, Bristol 2. Stephen Edwards CLATWORTHY baptised 12 Nov 1884, Bristol [my husband’s line] married 30 Jan 1889 Street, Somerset to Mary Jane SOLOMON 3. Emily Sarah Jane CLATWORTHY born abt 1871 in Bristol, married George WRIGHT 31 Oct 1892 Bedminster, Bristol 4. Alice Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 30 October 1873 St Mary Redcliff, Bristol & died 1873 Bristol, Buried? 5. Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 4 Nov 1874 at St Mary Redcliff, Bristol. Married 17 May 1919 Bristol to Thomas HOPKINS. 6. William Edwards CLATWORTHY born 1876 Bristol, Baptised? Died? 7. Eliza Maria CLATWORTHY born 1882 Bristol & baptised ? Married Henry PRINCE in 1914 Bristol. Thank You, >From Jenny Stiles in a hot Sydney, Australia Family History Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm

Hi Jenny 1881 Census William Clatworthy Head age 46 Coal labourer born Bristol Radcliffe Emily Clatworthy 39 Wife Tailoress born Bristol Emily Clatworthy 10 dau born Bedminster Matilda Clatworthy 6 dau born Bedminster William Clatworthy 4 son born Bedminster living 2 Sion Row Bedminster Somerset RG11/2454 Folio 31 Page 13 The wife's name in 1871 is quite clear as Eliza Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Stiles" <jstiles2@optusnet.com.au> To: "Bristol & Somerset List" <Bristol_and_Somerset-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: [B&S] CLATWORTHY 1881 & 1871 Census & Church records > Hi List, > My husband’s family tree includes the CLATWORTHY family of Bristol & my > mother-in-law has done the research that I have. Recently I have been > contacted by a man who is connected by marriage to the CLATWORTHY family, > but the information that he gives me is somewhat different from that I > have been given by my MIL [mother Eliza for the children rather than > Emily]. > If somebody could find the family for me in the 1871 & 1881 Census in the > Bedminster district would be grateful. If anyone has access to the church > records, a confirmation of the parents names would be wonderful > As far as I know, the family is as follows; > William Edwards CLATWORTHY born abt 1833 Bristol to William CLATWORTHY & > Eliza [POOLE] & died 4 July 1899 at Bristol. He married 27th May 1865 in > Bristol [love to know the church] to Jane “Emily” COULTER [20th October > 1841 Bristol-1902 Bristol]. They had; > 1. Eliza CLATWORTHY baptised 11 August 1867 at Temple, Bristol > 2. Stephen Edwards CLATWORTHY baptised 12 Nov 1884, Bristol [my husband’s > line] married 30 Jan 1889 Street, Somerset to Mary Jane SOLOMON > 3. Emily Sarah Jane CLATWORTHY born abt 1871 in Bristol, married George > WRIGHT 31 Oct 1892 Bedminster, Bristol > 4. Alice Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 30 October 1873 St Mary Redcliff, > Bristol & died 1873 Bristol, Buried? > 5. Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 4 Nov 1874 at St Mary Redcliff, Bristol. > Married 17 May 1919 Bristol to Thomas HOPKINS. > 6. William Edwards CLATWORTHY born 1876 Bristol, Baptised? Died? > 7. Eliza Maria CLATWORTHY born 1882 Bristol & baptised ? Married Henry > PRINCE in 1914 Bristol. > > Thank You, > From Jenny Stiles in a hot Sydney, Australia > > Family History Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny Going by the 1871 census it looks more likely that his wife was Eliza Meyrick?Bernard not Emily Coulter although both are on the same page if you check his marriage on Free BMD Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Stiles" <jstiles2@optusnet.com.au> To: "Bristol & Somerset List" <Bristol_and_Somerset-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: [B&S] CLATWORTHY 1881 & 1871 Census & Church records > Hi List, > My husband’s family tree includes the CLATWORTHY family of Bristol & my > mother-in-law has done the research that I have. Recently I have been > contacted by a man who is connected by marriage to the CLATWORTHY family, > but the information that he gives me is somewhat different from that I > have been given by my MIL [mother Eliza for the children rather than > Emily]. > If somebody could find the family for me in the 1871 & 1881 Census in the > Bedminster district would be grateful. If anyone has access to the church > records, a confirmation of the parents names would be wonderful > As far as I know, the family is as follows; > William Edwards CLATWORTHY born abt 1833 Bristol to William CLATWORTHY & > Eliza [POOLE] & died 4 July 1899 at Bristol. He married 27th May 1865 in > Bristol [love to know the church] to Jane “Emily” COULTER [20th October > 1841 Bristol-1902 Bristol]. They had; > 1. Eliza CLATWORTHY baptised 11 August 1867 at Temple, Bristol > 2. Stephen Edwards CLATWORTHY baptised 12 Nov 1884, Bristol [my husband’s > line] married 30 Jan 1889 Street, Somerset to Mary Jane SOLOMON > 3. Emily Sarah Jane CLATWORTHY born abt 1871 in Bristol, married George > WRIGHT 31 Oct 1892 Bedminster, Bristol > 4. Alice Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 30 October 1873 St Mary Redcliff, > Bristol & died 1873 Bristol, Buried? > 5. Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 4 Nov 1874 at St Mary Redcliff, Bristol. > Married 17 May 1919 Bristol to Thomas HOPKINS. > 6. William Edwards CLATWORTHY born 1876 Bristol, Baptised? Died? > 7. Eliza Maria CLATWORTHY born 1882 Bristol & baptised ? Married Henry > PRINCE in 1914 Bristol. > > Thank You, > From Jenny Stiles in a hot Sydney, Australia > > Family History Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenny 1871 Census William E Clatworthy Head age 37 labourer Sugar refinery born Bristol St Mary Redcliffe Eliza Clatworthy Wife age 28 Tailoress born Bristol St Jude Eliza Maria Clatworthy age 5 born Bedminster Stephen Edward Clatworthy age 1 born Bedminster living 4 Manley Place Bedminster Somerset Rg10/2508 Folio 9 Page10 Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Stiles" <jstiles2@optusnet.com.au> To: "Bristol & Somerset List" <Bristol_and_Somerset-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: [B&S] CLATWORTHY 1881 & 1871 Census & Church records > Hi List, > My husband’s family tree includes the CLATWORTHY family of Bristol & my > mother-in-law has done the research that I have. Recently I have been > contacted by a man who is connected by marriage to the CLATWORTHY family, > but the information that he gives me is somewhat different from that I > have been given by my MIL [mother Eliza for the children rather than > Emily]. > If somebody could find the family for me in the 1871 & 1881 Census in the > Bedminster district would be grateful. If anyone has access to the church > records, a confirmation of the parents names would be wonderful > As far as I know, the family is as follows; > William Edwards CLATWORTHY born abt 1833 Bristol to William CLATWORTHY & > Eliza [POOLE] & died 4 July 1899 at Bristol. He married 27th May 1865 in > Bristol [love to know the church] to Jane “Emily” COULTER [20th October > 1841 Bristol-1902 Bristol]. They had; > 1. Eliza CLATWORTHY baptised 11 August 1867 at Temple, Bristol > 2. Stephen Edwards CLATWORTHY baptised 12 Nov 1884, Bristol [my husband’s > line] married 30 Jan 1889 Street, Somerset to Mary Jane SOLOMON > 3. Emily Sarah Jane CLATWORTHY born abt 1871 in Bristol, married George > WRIGHT 31 Oct 1892 Bedminster, Bristol > 4. Alice Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 30 October 1873 St Mary Redcliff, > Bristol & died 1873 Bristol, Buried? > 5. Matilda CLATWORTHY baptised 4 Nov 1874 at St Mary Redcliff, Bristol. > Married 17 May 1919 Bristol to Thomas HOPKINS. > 6. William Edwards CLATWORTHY born 1876 Bristol, Baptised? Died? > 7. Eliza Maria CLATWORTHY born 1882 Bristol & baptised ? Married Henry > PRINCE in 1914 Bristol. > > Thank You, > From Jenny Stiles in a hot Sydney, Australia > > Family History Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Tony, Yes, I got quite excited when I saw that but George states his brothers name is John and his sisters names are Charlotte and Hannah. Also on his death certificate it states his father was a soldier. There was a burial record for a George Hooper,soldier,in 1820, Bristol aged 50yrs who could be a candidate for George's father. George,jr. should have been around for the 1841 census but I haven't found him yet. On his convict records he gives his occupation as a cabinet turner. Are there  directories for trades in Bristol that are online? Regards Janine ---------------------------------------- > From: a.harrison@tesco.net > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:25:22 +0000 > Subject: Re: [B&S] HOOPER, CLARKE & ULEYâ?� > > Further to Josephine's message there is a George Hooper son of Thomas and > Martha baptised in Winterborne 26 Dec 1815 other children > James 22 Oct 1809 > Thomas 30 Sep 1810 buried 29 Dec 1811 > Thomas 12 Jan 1812 > William 11 June 1813 > Eleanor Pullin 26 Oct 1817 > > Tony > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josephine Jeremiah" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [B&S] HOOPER, CLARKE & ULEY > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to agree "return" is not an appropriate word at all. Yes I agree with you Janine, I doubt there would be a person who received their education in Australia who would not know who Matthew Flinders was. He probably has equal status in the history books with Captain Cook. It would be a lovely gesture to loan it to us especially during the forthcoming celebrations. Perhaps the real purpose of the petition is to bring attention to this map and to get the archives to loan it to us for the occasion ... I am a little prone to cynicism. :) Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Janine Gall > Sent: Sunday, 30 January 2011 8:41 AM > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [B&S] Australia calls for return of historic map > -- this isSomerset article > > > Hi Josephine, > > Matthew Flinders featured heavily in my school history > lessons. particularly because he proved Van Diemen's Land was > an island.I can remember making posters with badly drawn > pictures of Bass and Flinders in their small boat. My mother > in law was born on Flinders Island. > The map is an important historical document, particuarly for > Australians.but does this give us the right to it? I don't > think so, but it would be a nice gesture to loan it to the > country that appreciates it's importance rather than have it > languish unappreciated in storage. > > regards Janine > >

Thanks to Josephine for her many postings of Somerset interesting snippets. I was especially pleased about the link about Matthew Flinders' map. Having read the replies, I've now done what I should have done earlier, and used Google to find an Australian version of what the call was. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h8RoTDQ0GUGPnAH2R5wgY_2VcyFQ?docId=CNG.68cec2fa0c33fd7141297bf4f1271b08.251 This would indicate that there was never a call for the "return" which has caused angst for so many listers. It does, I hope, create a balance. I, too, was guilty of relying on the term 'return", and on the "flavour" of the newspaper article. I should have know better. I do wonder, if Roy read the article, whether, using his arguments of the Domesday Book, he supports the return of the Elgin Marbles? As the location of Flinder's map is in the UK Hydrographic Office in Taunton, and that appears to be the only Somerset connection, we may have wandered a bit far from our remit for this mailing list. So my apologies for extending it, and I promise to desist. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Australia calls for return of historic map -- this isSomerset article > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:52:40 -0000, bev bonning <kosan@optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > >> I've certainly read about the call for the return of this map here in >> Australia. >> Historically it has an importance for Australians. >> And it really doesn't matter where it was created. >> However I learned more about it from the link that Josephine posted than >> I knew previously. > >> I still remember the lessons in primary school about great navigators >> likeMatthew Flinders. But I didn't know of his Somerset connection even >> thoughthat is through the location of the UK Hydrographic Office. > > Hi Bev and Listers, > > I've discovered something new, today, too, on the BBC web page concerning > the map of Australia drawn by Matthew Flinders. > > Looking for more, I see that there is further information and an > illustration of this map on the following web page: > > http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/encounter/collection/B12985211_92.htm > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, George has been very tricky to pin down. It makes me think that perhaps he was illegitimate, but even then there should be some record of his birth, under the name Uley or Cooper.Also Convicts often used alias' on their records so perhaps he used his grandfathers surname. The birth you found of Hannah Uley, in Winterbourne, is about the right age to be the Hannah Uley I found who married a William Clark on 16 October 1825 but in St. Augustine Watling Street Church,  London. Did mariage records have much info on them at this time? Would it have if Hannah and William were of that parish? But it seems a long way to go from Bristol to marry and if Hannah was baptised Methodist would she be marrying in an Anglican Church? On the other hand this marriage fits in with the birth of William Uley Clarke in St. James Church, Bristol. regards Janine ---------------------------------------- > To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 22:14:51 +0000 > Subject: Re: [B&S] HOOPER, CLARKE & ULEY‏ > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:38:10 -0000, Janine Gall > wrote: > > > This is my first post on this list and I would appreciate any advice on > > finding the birth and parents ofGEORGE HOOPER, born about 1818, > > convicted of breaking into the house of Thomas West, near Bristol and > > sentenced to 15 years tranportation to Tasmania in 1842. > > > On some of his records it gives his name as George ULEY Hooper and some > > of his children andgrandchildren in Tasmania also have the middle name > > of ULEY. On his Australian death certificate it states his parents were > > George Hooper, soldier, and Hannah Hooper, formerly COOPER of Bristol. > > Welcome to the list, Janine. I've had a look in some of my resources, but > I couldn't make a match for your George HOOPER and his family. > > However, there may be a link with Winterbourne near Bristol as I see that > Martha ULEY and Thomas HOOPER were married, by banns, on 16th. July 1808 > at Winterbourne, GLS. Both were of the parish > > I see, too, that John ULEY and Martha PULLIN were married, by banns, on > 29th. October 1794 at Winterbourne. Both were of the parish. > > These marriages are included in Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 > Groom & Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon > Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Hannah ULEY, daughter of Jno and Martha, was born on 18th. September 1796 > and baptized on 23rd. October 1796 at Kingsdown Portland Street Methodist. > > This baptism is included in Nonconformist Baptismal Registers in Bristol > Record Office 1754 to 1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History > Society. www.bafhs.org.uk > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message