You never know as I don't think 'SHEAFF' is a common name to begin with and in that combination, I sure there must be a connection. Is it perchance on Ancestry? I have that and could find the record myself. Thanks, Susan -----Original Message----- From: Karen Francis Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:15 AM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 inBedminster, Somerset, England Probably a red herring but there is a medal card on a certain website to which I subscribe. It relates to an Arthur J S HINTON who may have been a bombadier (?bdr) in the Royal Garrison Artillery during WWI. He was awarded Pip, Squeak and Wilfred plus clasp, emblem, roses etc. I think he therefore MAY have been part of Kitchener's Old Contemptibles. I have a scan of his medal card. If this could possibly be your chap I am happy to forward off-list? Of course, I have no idea if the is he, nonetheless he may be the same chap who was made a lieutenant. Regards Karen Visit the new Ridout family history website and blog at: www.the-ridouts.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:56:33 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Josephine, > > You are always a wonderful source of information. Sorry I missed the new > familysearch site that Christ Jefferies gave. I probably wasn't paying > attention as I haven't been doing much work in Bath and Bristol lately. Thanks for your response, Susan. This sighting is all down to Chris, as I wouldn't have known where to look if he hadn't posted the information on the new site. There is always something new to learn so I'm grateful to B & S list members, like Chris, for pointing us in new directions. I found lots of new information on some of my families on this site and I have more searching to do on my other families. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: Snip..... > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > Snip..... Further to my earlier messages, I have now found the marriage of ARTHUR J S HINTON to JANE A BUSBY in the registration district of Eastry, Kent, in the June quarter of 1914 (vol 2A page 2404). How does this relate to the OP's post concerning the marriage of William James Hinton to Sarah Elizabeth Busby? And is this the Arthur James Sceaff Hinton who appears in the 1911 census in Singapore? Probably. Come on, Susan, a couple of us - Josephine and myself - are trying for you but I think we need some more help here! A response to what we have discovered so far would be helpful. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

My apologies..... It's late and I have been misreading the birth and death records of Arthur James Sheaff Hinton ! Rechecking at FreeBMD, I see he was born in the Sep quarter of 1887 (not 1877) at Bedminster and that, according to the death indexes of 1974 at Ancestry, his DoB was 17 June 1887, so that would fit with his being baptised in the July. So I suppose he could have been made a lieutenant in 1941 when he was about 53 or 54 (still seems quite late in life, though). And I haven't yet found when he got the MBE. I've also finally found him in a census - overseas in 1911 when he was a gunner and an acting schoolmaster in no. 78 Company Royal Garrison Artillery, Singapore Straits Settlements, but his birthplace is given as Bristol, not Bedminster. And where was he in 1891-1901? Has anyone found his supposed parents? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On 7 Feb 2011 at 21:29, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> > wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about > > the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 > > in Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? > > Hi Susan, > > According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on > 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul > 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and > mother was Maria. > > The third name of the child is spelt Sheaff rather than Scheaff. > > Josephine < Mysteriouser and mysteriouser, as Alice said. I can find no fewer than THREE marriages for a William James Hinton at Bedminster with FreeBMD - in 1882, 1886 and 1888 - but none to a Maria Sheaff or any other Maria. Also, if Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was born in 1877 - as his death record at Ancestry in 1974 suggests - then he was baptised when he was 9 or 10 years old. Was William James Hinton a serial bigamist and womaniser or are we talking different men here? And why can I not find Arthur James Sheaff Hinton or his mother in any census, yet he seems to have been made a lieutenant in 1941 at the age of 63 or 64 and before that to have been awarded the MBE. The only Maria SHEAFF I can find appears to have been born at Nonington, Kent, about 1860 and in the 1881 census was a servant to a widowed school mistress and her children at Maidstone. There is, as the OP said, a Maria Sheaff who appears to have married an Albert Bunting at Fulham in 1882 but I cannot find them in the later censuses, either, and it seems uncertain as to whether this was the same woman. If it was, then what was SHE up to? Truly, this is the stuff of mysteries! Let's have more of it, please ! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Yvonne, I hadn't got that far yet but thanks for pointing those out. According to the OP, there is a Denis or Dennis HINTON first quarter 1923 but I can't find his birth registration with a name of BUSBY. Not ready for anymore mysteries tonight! You are right that a father in the army could account for the varied places of registration. Not so for William James HINTON, he was a carpenter. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne Scrivener Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:20 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster,Somerset, England And three children on FreeBMD for HINTON / BUSBY parents: Births Jun 1915 Hinton Arthur J Busby Rugby 6d 1506 Births Mar 1920 Hinton Leslie W Busby Woodbridge 4a 2540 Births Mar 1926 Hinton Syvia J Busby Barnet 3a 659 A father in the Army could account for the varied places of registration. Yvonne Scrivener Canberra ACT Australia -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: Snip..... > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > Snip..... Further to my earlier messages, I have now found the marriage of ARTHUR J S HINTON to JANE A BUSBY in the registration district of Eastry, Kent, in the June quarter of 1914 (vol 2A page 2404). How does this relate to the OP's post concerning the marriage of William James Hinton to Sarah Elizabeth Busby? And is this the Arthur James Sceaff Hinton who appears in the 1911 census in Singapore? Probably. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy, I may have called him Alfred when I meant Arthur. It's getting late. There may be a bit of duplication with my last message. Arthur James Sheaff HINTON was in Kent in 1891 with William James, Sarah Elizabeth and Walter Frank. I gave the reference in the last message and also suggested where I thought he was in 1901. I have no idea where Maria SHEAFF is. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Roy Stockdill Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:35 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster,Somerset, England My apologies..... It's late and I have been misreading the birth and death records of Arthur James Sheaff Hinton ! Rechecking at FreeBMD, I see he was born in the Sep quarter of 1887 (not 1877) at Bedminster and that, according to the death indexes of 1974 at Ancestry, his DoB was 17 June 1887, so that would fit with his being baptised in the July. So I suppose he could have been made a lieutenant in 1941 when he was about 53 or 54 (still seems quite late in life, though). And I haven't yet found when he got the MBE. I've also finally found him in a census - overseas in 1911 when he was a gunner and an acting schoolmaster in no. 78 Company Royal Garrison Artillery, Singapore Straits Settlements, but his birthplace is given as Bristol, not Bedminster. And where was he in 1891-1901? Has anyone found his supposed parents? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:35:28 -0000, Karen Francis <ranaridibunda@hotmail.com> wrote: > I wondered if there is a museum, collection or similar relating to the > newspaper (I don't mean online!) where I may find out more about the > SOMERTON family? For four generations they were involved with one > Bristol paper or another but I have failed to find a single drawing, > engraving, portrait etc of any of the individuals. Any idea please? Hi Karen, I don't know of any illustrations, but there is an advertisement for the Bristol Mercury in Streets Indian & Colonial Mercantile Directory for 1870 in Google Books. If you go to Google Books http://books.google.com/ and put into the search "Somerton""Bristol Mercury" references will come up. You may have already done this, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hello Roy and Josephine, Apologies if this is verbose. I do appreciate all the help you are giving me. I just discovered all this two days ago and there seem to be more questions than answers that are popping up. This is what I know about William James HINTON: 1. William James HINTON was born in Jun 1842 in Wiltshire, Wiltshire. He was christened in Wilton by Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. His parents were James HINTON and Elizabeth LEE. James was a shoemaker William married Anne GRANT daughter of Jacob GRANT and Mary Ann on 16 May 1864 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. Anne was born on 14 Oct 1832 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. They had the following children: 2 M i. William George HINTON was born on 03 Mar 1868. He died on 23 Sep 1939. 3 F ii. Agnes Mary HINTON was born on 11 Mar 1871 in Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire. She died in 1887 in London, England. 4 F iii. Winifred Jane HINTON was born on 06 Dec 1875 in Wootten Basset, Wiltshire. Winifred married William Alexander HERMISTON son of William HERMISTON on 31 Dec 1899 in St. Mary, Hornsey Rise, Islington Lnd. William was born about 1873. I can't find him on the 1871 Census but Anne is living with her parents along with the two children. So far, William James HINTON appears to be having a normal family life. On the 1881 Census Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 850; Folio: 96; Page: 36; GSU roll: 1341201, he and his family are living at 5 Courteney Road, Beckenham, Kent. That's when thing start to change. On the 1891 Census Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 739; Folio 69; Page 10; GSU roll: 6095849, he is living in Walmer, Kent with Sarah E, Arthur J S, Walter F HINTON. There are two visitors Emily TURRELL and Arthur TURRELL. One is a nurse and the other a hospital porter. I don't know if that is significant. Meanwhile, on the 1891, Anne HINTON is living in Islington, London with her two children Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 141; Folio 172; Page 35; GSU roll: 6095251. Between 1881 and 1891 the following events occur Births Sep 1887 HINTON Arthur James S Bedminster 5c 641 with mother Maria Births Sep 1889 Walter Frank Cheltenham 6a 415 with mother Sarah? Marriages Sep 1890 BUSBY Sarah Elizabeth Ticehurst 2b 199 On the 1891 Census, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY was born in Nottingham. Hinton William Ticehurst 2b 199 Walter Frank HINTON came to Canada in 1907. He thinks he was born in Kent but he is registered in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. Why was he born there? On his marriage he said that his mother was Sarah GAUSBY. I think there is an error in the last name. Although it looks like Sarah Elizabeth GAUSBY on Walter’s marriage certificate, when I did a search for marriages with those names, nothing turned up. However, when I searched for William HINTON with first name of bride as Sarah Elizabeth, what turned up was Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY. Source Information:Ancestry.com and Genealogical Research Library (Brampton, Ontario, Canada). Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1926 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. I cannot find Sarah Elizabeth HINTON on the 1901 Census. William James HINTON is living in a flop house in Wilton Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1954; Folio: 92; Page: 19. I believe I've found Walter Frank HINTON living as an orphan in Bristol Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2365; Folio: 61; Page: 12. although the age is a bit off. Arthur James HINTON may be the on registered in the Victoria Barracks Windsor Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1169; Folio: 130; Page: 35. - not positive on either of these though. Connection between Jane Anne BUSBY and Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY? I don't know at this point. The former was born in Warwickshire and the latter in Nottinghamshire. As for the marriage of William James GEORGE to Maria BUNTING SHEAFF Marriages Dec 1883 BUNTING Maria Nottingham 7b 392 GEORGE William James Nottingham 7b 392 I had instances before when people have given the wrong name, not just the wrong spelling, on a certificate. This sounds suspicious. If this is really our William James HINTON, he must have given the wrong name. It is correct on the GRO. It must be the same father if that is the name on the birth of Alfred James Sheaff HINTON and the mother is Maria. What other conclusion? I've contacted the Swindon & Wiltshire Records Office to see if they can find a record of the inquest of William HINTON found dead in the woods in Wilton. The OP doesn't appear to know anything about Walter Frank HINTON only Alfred James Sheaff HINTON. Interesting that he married Jane Ann BUSBY in Kent. I don't have access to the 1911 Census. I'm waiting till Ancestry get it because it is costly on FindMyPast. In conclusion, I think William James HINTON was having a major mid life crisis. Nothing like a good mystery, is there? I must say that I have not found a situation so complex since I started genealogy in 2002. Stay tuned. Thanks again for your help. Susan -----Original Message----- From: Roy Stockdill Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:58 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster,Somerset, England On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: Snip..... > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > Snip..... Further to my earlier messages, I have now found the marriage of ARTHUR J S HINTON to JANE A BUSBY in the registration district of Eastry, Kent, in the June quarter of 1914 (vol 2A page 2404). How does this relate to the OP's post concerning the marriage of William James Hinton to Sarah Elizabeth Busby? And is this the Arthur James Sceaff Hinton who appears in the 1911 census in Singapore? Probably. Come on, Susan, a couple of us - Josephine and myself - are trying for you but I think we need some more help here! A response to what we have discovered so far would be helpful. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the > birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? Hi Susan, According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and mother was Maria. The third name of the child is spelt Sheaff rather than Scheaff. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about > the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? I know I will > probably have to order the certificate but some of the local sites > have transcriptions. > > I am working on a bit of a mystery here. William James HINTON was b. > 1842 in Wilton, Wiltshire and his parents were James HINTON and > Elizabeth LEE. William James HINTON married Anne GRANT and had three > children. He was a carpenter who moved to Kent and can be found on > the 1881 Census with his family. After that I think he must have come > off the rails. I believe he is the same one who was found dead in the > woods in Wilton after 1901. > > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > > Then, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry has Arthur James Scheaff > HINTON in their tree with parents William James HINTON and Maria > (Bunting) SCHEAFF. I can't find a marriage of William James HINTON to > Maria SCHEAFF although I can find a marriage of Maria SCHEAFF to > Alfred BUNTING. The fact that 'SCHEAFF' crops up in the middle name > makes me suspicious. > A weird one indeed! There is only one Arthur James S HINTON at FreeBMD, whose birth was registered at Bedminster in the Sep quarter of 1877. How do you know that his other middle name was Scheaff or Sheaff and how do you know so precisely when and where he was born if you do not have the birth certificate? When posting queries, it is important to give as much detail as possible. A Google search produces an Arthur James Sheaff [sic - no "c" in the name] Hinton MBE who appears in the supplement to the London Gazette of 8 August 1941, stating that he was to be a lieutenant from 11 March 1941 without army pay and allowances. The name appears in the General List and he is not shown as having any previous military rank, nor does any regiment appear. But IF this was the same man - and it's hard to imagine there was more than one Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - he would have been about 63 or 64, which seems extraordinarily old to have been suddenly made a lieutenant in wartime! And when and where and why did he get an MBE? Ancestry's death indexes have TWO entries for the death of Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - one in the surname of Sheaff Hinton and another just as Hinton - in the registration district of Gipping, Suffolk, in the June quarter of 1974 and his DoB is given in both as 17 June 1877, so this was obviously your man and he would then have been around 97. Clearly, a man of mystery! Was he in the Secret Service or something and is there something you're not telling us? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Oh dear - if only I had put <s'ennight> into a search engine I would have got the answer to my own question! Webster's gives Sen-night as archaic for "the space of seven days and nights" Sorry to have troubled you, folks Jenny -----Original Message----- From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Davis Sent: 07 February 2011 17:49 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] Abbreviation s'ennight Dear list, <snip> ... would *Sunday s'ennight* mean "a week ago last Sunday"? Thanks, in advance, Jenny

Hi Josephine, You are always a wonderful source of information. Sorry I missed the new familysearch site that Christ Jefferies gave. I probably wasn't paying attention as I haven't been doing much work in Bath and Bristol lately. It is always good to know that the B&S List are there to help you out. Thanks so much for your help. I apologize for spelling the name incorrectly. You are correct, it should be SHEAFF - rather unusual. Susan in snowy Guelph. -----Original Message----- From: Josephine Jeremiah Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:29 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster, Somerset, England On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000, Susan Moziar <smoziar@rogers.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the > birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? Hi Susan, According to the new familysearch site that Chris Jefferies gave us on 20th. January, Arthur James Sheaff Hinton was baptized on 2nd. Jul 1887 at Holy Nativity, Bedminster. Father was William James Hinton and mother was Maria. The third name of the child is spelt Sheaff rather than Scheaff. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roy, Thanks for your reply. Apologies I spelt the name wrong. It should be SHEAFF. I will write it out 100 times. In any case, the information I provided holds true, just without the 'c' in the name. I am not entirely coming to the investigation cold, but must admit that some information does need to be precisely verified. The SHEAFF name came from my contact but he tells me he got the information from Ancestry. On the birth, marriage and death, the name 'SHEAFF' is only denoted by the initial 'S'. Josephine has said that the mother's name is Maria, which aligns with what I found on the Ancestry website. The mother was listed as Maria (Bunting) SHEAFF. That's when I thought that Maria SHEAFF married an Alfred BUNTING and I found one such marriage in in 1882 in Fulham. I haven't been able to find the death of Alfred BUNTING but curiously found a marriage of Maria BUNTING to William James GEORGE in Nottingham. I took note of that because Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY was born in Nottingham although she married William James HINTON in Sussex. There are many deaths for Maria HINTON and I haven't inspected each thoroughly to know if she died by the time William James HINTON married Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY in 1890 in Ticehurst District (Sussex). Whether there was an intentional mistake on the name 'GEORGE', I do not know. On the 1891 Census, William James HINTON is listed along with Sarah E HINTON, Arthur J S HINTON, and W F HINTON (actually the name is misspelt as HENTON) living in Walmer, Kent. There is nothing that I am not telling you! I am trying to get to the bottom of this myself. One thing is for sure we are going to order the birth certificates for Arthur James Sheaff HINTON and William Frank HINTON to establish who the mothers are. Thanks so much for your reply. I appreciate your help. Susan in snowy Guelph, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Roy Stockdill Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:06 PM To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [B&S] Arthur James Scheaff HINTON b. 17 Jun 1887 in Bedminster,Somerset, England On 7 Feb 2011 at 13:11, Susan Moziar wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about > the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in > Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? > Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? I know I will > probably have to order the certificate but some of the local sites > have transcriptions. > > I am working on a bit of a mystery here. William James HINTON was b. > 1842 in Wilton, Wiltshire and his parents were James HINTON and > Elizabeth LEE. William James HINTON married Anne GRANT and had three > children. He was a carpenter who moved to Kent and can be found on > the 1881 Census with his family. After that I think he must have come > off the rails. I believe he is the same one who was found dead in the > woods in Wilton after 1901. > > Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William > James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until > I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent > with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on > the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son > and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is > either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! > > Then, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry has Arthur James Scheaff > HINTON in their tree with parents William James HINTON and Maria > (Bunting) SCHEAFF. I can't find a marriage of William James HINTON to > Maria SCHEAFF although I can find a marriage of Maria SCHEAFF to > Alfred BUNTING. The fact that 'SCHEAFF' crops up in the middle name > makes me suspicious. > A weird one indeed! There is only one Arthur James S HINTON at FreeBMD, whose birth was registered at Bedminster in the Sep quarter of 1877. How do you know that his other middle name was Scheaff or Sheaff and how do you know so precisely when and where he was born if you do not have the birth certificate? When posting queries, it is important to give as much detail as possible. A Google search produces an Arthur James Sheaff [sic - no "c" in the name] Hinton MBE who appears in the supplement to the London Gazette of 8 August 1941, stating that he was to be a lieutenant from 11 March 1941 without army pay and allowances. The name appears in the General List and he is not shown as having any previous military rank, nor does any regiment appear. But IF this was the same man - and it's hard to imagine there was more than one Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - he would have been about 63 or 64, which seems extraordinarily old to have been suddenly made a lieutenant in wartime! And when and where and why did he get an MBE? Ancestry's death indexes have TWO entries for the death of Arthur James Sheaff Hinton - one in the surname of Sheaff Hinton and another just as Hinton - in the registration district of Gipping, Suffolk, in the June quarter of 1974 and his DoB is given in both as 17 June 1877, so this was obviously your man and he would then have been around 97. Clearly, a man of mystery! Was he in the Secret Service or something and is there something you're not telling us? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." 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I agree with Mike Roy, and with eveything you have said below Nova, Western Australia > Thank you, Mike! It's good to have some public support over a matter about > which I > feel fairly passionate but which certain Rootsweb listowners ruthlessly > suppress > debate on.. > > I have always believed the rule about not mentioning living persons to be > paranoid > nonsense when, as I said, there are so many accessible sources - online > and offline - > which puts the names and details of just about everybody in the public > domain. > > What particularly riles me is the sheer rank hypocrisy of it all. How can > anyone who, > for instance, flaunts themselves on Facebook, Twitter and other social > networking > websites expect privacy? Any more than can the famous expect their private > lives to > be kept out of the public arena when they shamelessly use the media to > their personal > advantage when they have something to sell, like a new film, TV series, > book or > fitness video. > > Family historians should be the very last people to apply self censorship, > since our > entire hobby and pastime demands that we gather and publish as full > details as > possible of our researches. Personally, the only complaints I've ever > received from > living members of my family is when I've inadvertently left them out !!! > > I do feel this is a topic Rootsweb ought seriously to address and > reconsider in the light > of widely changing circumstances. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3427 - Release Date: 02/07/11 03:34:00

Kelvin (amidst furious blushing).... many thanks. Of course, I KNEW my address but just hadn't noticed the typo. No wonder no-one ever goes there :-) Edna and Dave. .. thank you for your link and for the information. I have looked at Dave's transcriptions which, as I'm sure he knows, show a couple of early SOMERTONs who may be related, for which more thanks. I will write to the 'Friends' and see what transpires. Regards Karen Visit the new Ridout family history website and blog at: www.the-ridouts.com

Dear list, Browsing some inquest reports here: http://www.paulhyb.homecall.co.uk/inquests/Inquests1825-30.pdf I've seen several mentions of "s'ennight". For example, on P.51: "02 Jan 1828: Inquests by Mr.Caines At the Lamb Inn near Ilminster, on Samuel Hake, age 77. Deceased had been, for five weeks, on a visit to his daughter, at Langport, and on *Sunday s'ennight* was returning home to Combe St Nicholas accompanied by his son-in-law Wm Berry, with whom he lived. A horse was lent him, on which he rode as far as he chose, but had sent it back, and was walking on the turnpike road, near the mile-stone at Broadway Hill, when he exclaimed, "I cannot walk! I shall fall down!" when he dropped and instantly expired. Verdict - Died by the visitation of God" In this instance, would *Sunday s'ennight* mean "a week ago last Sunday"? If so, I believe that calculates Samuel's date of death as Sunday 23 Dec 1827 which is consistent with his burial date of 28 Dec 1827. How sad: old man going home for Christmas didn't make it!! Thanks, in advance, Jenny

Yep - unfortunately :( But I've put the first 182 Anglican burials on the B&AFHS website:- http://www.bafhs.org.uk/arnos/arnosreg01.htm Dave Napier dave.napier@blueyonder.co.uk webmaster@bafhs.org.uk webmaster@arnosvalefriends.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: [B&S] Arnos Vale Cemetery > > Hi, There are Cemetery records but they will be searched for a fee. > > Check Friends of Arnos Vale -- http://www.arnosvalefriends.org.uk/ > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me if there is any information that I can find about the birth of Arthur James Scheaff HINTON who was born 17 June 1877 in Bedminster, Somerset at Hope Cottage, Bath Road, Bedminster? Specifically I am trying to find out who the mother is? I know I will probably have to order the certificate but some of the local sites have transcriptions. I am working on a bit of a mystery here. William James HINTON was b. 1842 in Wilton, Wiltshire and his parents were James HINTON and Elizabeth LEE. William James HINTON married Anne GRANT and had three children. He was a carpenter who moved to Kent and can be found on the 1881 Census with his family. After that I think he must have come off the rails. I believe he is the same one who was found dead in the woods in Wilton after 1901. Recently, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry had 'claimed' William James HINTON as one of their ancestors and I said it couldn't be until I looked more closely and found out that in 1891 he was living in Kent with a new wife, Sarah Elizabeth BUSBY and two children. Meanwhile on the 1891 Census, his previous wife is living in London with their son and does not indicate that she is widowed. So William James HINTON is either a bigamist or he divorced. We have opened a can of worms here! Then, I discovered that somebody on Ancestry has Arthur James Scheaff HINTON in their tree with parents William James HINTON and Maria (Bunting) SCHEAFF. I can't find a marriage of William James HINTON to Maria SCHEAFF although I can find a marriage of Maria SCHEAFF to Alfred BUNTING. The fact that 'SCHEAFF' crops up in the middle name makes me suspicious. Thanks, Susan

I am researching Caroline BEACHEM (born Wick St Lawrence, Axbridge Union, Somerset c 1825), and her husband James Amesbury (born Compton, Somerset c 1818). I have their marriage certificate which showed they married at Wick St Lawrence Parish Church on 18 June 1844 when both were said to be resident in Wick St Lawrence. Both their, unnamed, fathers were shown as deceased. The only possible birth/ christening record I can find so far in respect of Caroline is of a Caroline BEAUCHAMP, daughter of John and Harriet BEAUCHAMP christened at Week (Wick) St Lawrence, Somerset, on 25 December 1826. Does anyone have any connections to these families or any confirmation that the “two” Carolines are one and the same? Happy to share the details I have. James Mackay Woking, UK