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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:03:38 -0000, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > Hello Josephine, > Crikey; Your filing must a lot better than mine, if you know he's one > of my wife's relatives. My beady eyes are everywhere, Brad:-) And anyway, I've had my Welsh hat on this past week :-) > I've now been to Mike John's Monmouthshire transcription site, and found > a couple of other > BALMONDs buried in Abersychan. Most were buried at Trevethin. Stupidly, > I didn't think to check the Abersychan page before. I'm glad you've found some other BALMONDs. It's an interesting name and one that catches the eye. > It's even given me a handle on one of the BALMOND girls that has been > tricky to prove she existed, except in one census return. The burial > for Annie in 1874 has enabled me to locate a likely death registration > for her. Certificate to be ordered in due course. Reading this, I remembered that my aunt, by marriage, who lived in Bristol for most of her life, once lived in Abersychan. I have just had a look in FreeBMD to find her marriage to my uncle. My aunt's first name on the marriage registration wasn't the name I was expecting. I see now that she was known in the family by her middle name. So I've found out something new today, just by thinking about Abersychan, and I've also located her birth registration in Abergavenny. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:31:57 -0000, <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I have Bernard FOSKETT on my family tree and have considerable > information about him. Born in Buckinghamshire, he was a minister and > teacher and founded the > Baptist College in Bristol and died there 22 Sep 1758. > I have recently been going through some 35 year old correspondence about > this man and note from one letter that there was an oil painting of > Bernard hanging at the college. > I dont know what the College is now called although it would appear it > still exists. I would like to be able to contact the college to see > whether > someone could take a photo of it or point me to a publication where his > portrait might appear. > Can anyone help? Hi Sandra, Information about family history enquiries to Bristol Baptist College is on the following web page: http://www.bristol-baptist.ac.uk/resources.htm Contact details for Bristol Baptist College are here: http://www.bristol-baptist.ac.uk/contact.htm Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:38:52 -0000, Chris Jefferies <chris.jefferies@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > A couple of distant relatives lived in S Wales towards the end of the > 19th century. However I first noticed the connection with S Wales when > collecting all census entries for several of my surnames. It was very > noticeable the > number of south Gloucestershire families with children listed as born > south Wales. Neither of my distant relatives were in coal related jobs > but both > returned to Bristol area around 1900. Here are some members of my South Gloucestershire family, who had a link with South Wales. George HAYMAN, my 2x great-grandmother's brother, was in Monmouthshire with his family at the time of the 1871 census. (George's brother-in-law, John HANCOCK, my 2x great-grandfather, had been killed in a coal pit at Blaina, Monmouthshire in December 1869.) In 1871, George and Louisa were living in Park Street, Blaina, Monmouthshire and were recorded in the 1871 census under the name HAYMON. George was recorded as 29 and his occupation was 'Pudler', while Louisa was 33. Their children were George, 7 and Julia, 2. All in the family were recorded as being born in 'Gloucester Bishorn' meaning Gloucestershire, Bitton. By the time of the 1881 census, 39-year-old George HAYMON (sic) and his family were living in Oldland Common, Gloucestershire. George was recorded as a labourer in lead while his wife, Louisa, aged 44, was recorded as a housewife. George, aged 17, the eldest son in the household was a coal labourer while daughter, Julia, was a general servant. Younger children in the household were sons, Thomas, 7, Mark, 6 and daughter, Mary, 4. George and Louisa's two younger sons, Thomas and Mark, were born in Blaina, Monmouthshire. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

My coalminer great uncle Arthur James Lovell b1869 Ashwick, Somerset also made the migration to south Wales and married Anna Proll b1873 Brompton Ralph there in 1891. They settled in Crosskeys, Monmouthshire and produced 5 children, some of whom stayed in south Wales, others moving to Devon. Lyn (Melbourne)

A couple of distant relatives lived in S Wales towards the end of the 19th century. However I first noticed the connection with S Wales when collecting all census entries for several of my surnames. It was very noticeable the number of south Gloucestershire families with children listed as born south Wales. Neither of my distant relatives were in coal related jobs but both returned to Bristol area around 1900. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos From: bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bristol_and_somerset-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 18 February 2011 18:40 To: bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com Subject: [B&S] List members' families who went to South Wales (Industrialisation of South Wales) On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:01:05 -0000, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Since many of our families had strong connection to Wales, > thought this site might be interesting: > > Industrialisation of south Wales. > http://www.data-wales.co.uk/valley1.htm > Some of my family had considerable contact with Wales. > Some stayed on and others came back to their counties. Thank you, for this site, Edna. I was in South Wales today and, when I was passing through Pontypool, I was thinking of you and of your relatives who went to Abersychan in Monmouthshire, as Abersychan is not far from Pontypool. Somerset relatives in both Ian's and my family trees had associations with Monmouthshire, too, and the parish of Trevethin immediately springs to mind. I expect a number of Bristol_and_Somerset list members have ancestors with links to the parish of Trevethin as well. As I travel through places I often associate them with the families of B & S list members with whom I have corresponded over the years. Today as I was travelling along a little way along the Rhymney Valley, I was also thinking of Heather whose husband's HASKINS relatives lived in the coal mining village of Llanbradach, Glamorgan at one time. It turned out that one of the HASKINS family was the nephew of my 2x great grandfather, John HANCOCK, from OLdland, Gloucestershire, who died in a coal pit accident in Blaina, Monmouthshire in December 1869. While on the new road passing 'the Brad'(Llanbradach), I saw a sign for Bargoed and I thought of B & S list member, Patricia, whose Bristol family once lived there. So while I am out and about and not posting I am still thinking of list members and their families:-) Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3451 - Release Date: 02/18/11

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:52:25 -0000, Trish Hall <triciakh@aapt.net.au> wrote: > I have recently confirmed the name of SHARYAR as one of my research > names and as it is such an unusual name wondered if there was anyone on > this list who is researching this name also. There are Carhampton and > Old Cleeve connections (all with this same spelling) for 2 generations > from mid 1700s till early 1800s . Harriet Sharyar married William > Wilkins in Bristol in 1822 but some of their children were baptised in > Old Cleeve. Hi Trish, I've looked in the Bristol & Avon Family History Society Members' Interests http://www.bafhs.org.uk/membership/membershipinterests.htm but couldn't see anyone researching SHARYAR. I've also looked in the rootsweb archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search but can't see a match for this surname. There is, however, a reference to William SHARYAR at the Mermaid, Lewin's Mead on the Bristol's Lost Pubs web site: http://bristolslostpubs.eu/page7.html Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:16:35 -0000, Phil Smith <Phil@pontypool648.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > My Ggfather Frederick Smith moved from Yeovil to South Wales. He was > born in Jan 1847, and moved 1873/4 to Undy, Monmouthshire taking wife > Susan (Andrews) and sons Benjamin b 1870 and Tom b 1873 > If anyone has any info on this family before Frederick I would be > grateful as I have found difficulty in getting information on YEOVIL. Hi Phil, In my previous message I mentioned that in the 1851 Yeovil census, there was an Elizabeth SMITH, aged 70, who was born in Mudford who could have been the grandmother of your Frederick SMITH. There is a likely match for the marriage of Frederick's grandparents on FreeReg. Edward SMITH and Elizabeth CONNOCK were married, by banns, on 29th. October 1805 at St. Mary the Virgin, Mudford. Witnesses were Nath. CORRY and William CORRY. Both bride and groom were of the parish. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:16:35 -0000, Phil Smith <Phil@pontypool648.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > My Ggfather Frederick Smith moved from Yeovil to South Wales. He was > born in Jan 1847, and moved 1873/4 to Undy, Monmouthshire taking wife > Susan (Andrews) and sons Benjamin b 1870 and Tom b 1873 > If anyone has any info on this family before Frederick I would be > grateful as I have found difficulty in getting information on YEOVIL. Hi Phil, In Gordon Beavington's 1851 census transcription of Yeovil there is a scholar, Frederick SMITH, aged 4. He could be your great-grandfather who was born in 1847. Head of the SMITH household at Yeovil Marsh was Charles SMITH, aged 36, who was an agricultural labourer. Members of the household were Jane, 36, a glover, Eliza, 12, a glover Yeovil, Emily, 10, at home, George, 7, a scholar, Frederick, 4, a scholar and 1 year-old Elizabeth. Charles SMITH was born in Yeovil and Jane SMITH was born in Marston. The children in the household were born in Yeovil. The next entry in the census is for another SMITH family, who could possibly be related. Robert SMITH, aged 23, an agricultural labourer, born in Yeovil, was head of household. A member of the family was his mother, Elizabeth SMITH, aged 70, who was born in Mudford. Perhaps this Elizabeth SMITH was also the mother of Charles SMITH and grandmother of Frederick SMITH. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:27:01 -0000 "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: Hello Josephine, > I know that you have the death of your wife's Somerset ancestor, Joseph > BALMOND, which was on 21st. January 1870 at Trevethin, but I wonder if > you have the date and place of his burial. Crikey; Your filing must a lot better than mine, if you know he's one of my wife's relatives. > If not, here it is: > Joseph BALMOND, aged 82, of Varteg was buried on 3rd. February 1870 at > St. Thomas, Talywain (Abersychan), Monmouthshire. Thanks for that Josephine. I didn't have it. I've now been to Mike John's Monmouthshire transcription site, and found a couple of other BALMONDs buried in Abersychan. Most were buried at Trevethin. Stupidly, I didn't think to check the Abersychan page before. It's even given me a handle on one of the BALMOND girls that has been tricky to prove she existed, except in one census return. The burial for Annie in 1874 has enabled me to locate a likely death registration for her. Certificate to be ordered in due course. Once again, thanks! -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You destroyed my confidence, you broke my nerve Nervous Wreck - Radio Stars

Just to let everyone know the tickets have gone. Thanks to everyone for responding. Sharon "Poetry and Hums aren't things which you get, they're things which get you. And all you can do is go where they can find you." Winnie the Pooh

Hello list, I have Bernard FOSKETT on my family tree and have considerable information about him. Born in Buckinghamshire, he was a minister and teacher and founded the Baptist College in Bristol and died there 22 Sep 1758. I have recently been going through some 35 year old correspondence about this man and note from one letter that there was an oil painting of Bernard hanging at the college. I would love to be able to see a picture of him, but I am no longer mobile so can't make the long trek to Bristol in order to view it. I dont know what the College is now called although it would appear it still exists. I would like to be able to contact the college to see whether someone could take a photo of it or point me to a publication where his portrait might appear. Can anyone help? Kind regards Sandra

My Ggfather Frederick Smith moved from Yeovil to South Wales. He was born in Jan 1847, and moved 1873/4 to Undy, Monmouthshire taking wife Susan (Andrews) and sons Benjamin b 1870 and Tom b 1873 If anyone has any info on this family before Frederick I would be grateful as I have found difficulty in getting information on YEOVIL. Regards Phil

Found in the St Elizabeth baptism records volume 1 1705-1820 BMB p 269 Baptisms in 1820 Jany31st The following certificate was inserted in the Register of the Parish at the particular request of Mr Geo: Graham STONE. Isabella Dare of David & Sarah TRAYL aged 9 years was baptized at the Parish Church of St. Augustine in the City of Bristol the 27th day of September in the year of our Lord 1812, as appears by the Register Book at the said Parish. Signed, Richard Bedford, Curate NB Available to view on the new family search: Jamaica Church of England Parish Register Transcripts, 1664-1880, which despite the name has actual images from the registers.

Hi Josephine It's one of the many things we are trying to raise money to support the cemetery - unfortunately at the moment interest in this talk has been disappointing - it has just failed to catch the imagination for some reason. Previous lectures have been successful and the speakers don't charge a fee so admission charges support the cemetery. It is going to be quite a challenge to keep Arnos Vale open as a working cemetery we need to find something like £250,000 a year to do so. Anyone visiting Bristol should make sure they drop by - it is a wonderful place and of course free to visit. Friends of Arnos Vale Cemetery volunteers run a cafe in on Saturdays 10.30 - 14.00. Best wishes Dave Napier Friends of Arnos Vale Cemetery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:31 AM Subject: [B&S] Bristol Dinosaur, Samuel Stutchbury, Arno's Vale Cemetery -- BBC article >A BBC article tells of a dinosaur skeleton, which was discovered on > Durdham Downs, Bristol in 1834. The marking of the the discovery and of > the work of the curator of the Bristol Institution, Samuel Stutchbury, who > is buried at Arnos Vale Cemetery, will include a family day on 22nd. > February and a public lecture on 24th. February. > > Bristol dinosaur find marked at Arnos Vale Cemetery > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9399000/9399122.stm > > Information about the family event, Dino Discovery, and the evening talk > with Professor Mike Benton can be found on the following web page: > > http://www.arnosvale.org.uk/index.php/eventsandactivities > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRISTOL_AND_SOMERSET-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Baptist church in Broadmead on King St.... -- http://www.broadmeadbaptist.org.uk/index.php -- He gave a lot to charities and welsh miners. Edna - Ottawa

Perhaps if you contacted the Baptist churches in Bristol, they might be able to help you. There is quite a lot about your Bernard Foskett if you google search... Try ~ http://www.churchcrawler.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: <sandra.s@ntlworld.com> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: [Bulk] [B&S] Portrait of Bernard FOSKETT Hello list, I have Bernard FOSKETT on my family tree and have considerable information about him. Born in Buckinghamshire, he was a minister and teacher and founded the Baptist College in Bristol and died there 22 Sep 1758. I have recently been going through some 35 year old correspondence about this man and note from one letter that there was an oil painting of Bernard hanging at the college. I would love to be able to see a picture of him, but I am no longer mobile so can't make the long trek to Bristol in order to view it. I dont know what the College is now called although it would appear it still exists. I would like to be able to contact the college to see whether someone could take a photo of it or point me to a publication where his portrait might appear. Can anyone help? Kind regards Sandra

A BBC article tells of a dinosaur skeleton, which was discovered on Durdham Downs, Bristol in 1834. The marking of the the discovery and of the work of the curator of the Bristol Institution, Samuel Stutchbury, who is buried at Arnos Vale Cemetery, will include a family day on 22nd. February and a public lecture on 24th. February. Bristol dinosaur find marked at Arnos Vale Cemetery http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9399000/9399122.stm Information about the family event, Dino Discovery, and the evening talk with Professor Mike Benton can be found on the following web page: http://www.arnosvale.org.uk/index.php/eventsandactivities -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Greetings Why should all people move from their origins? The fact is that they do not. Whilst Cheddar man's mother had her origins in the Middle East it also allows for the fact that some of her descendants still remain in the Middle East. DNA signatures are common. eg; Crusaders left their Y-DNA signatures in the Middle East during the crusades. I believe that only a small number of local people {20} were tested in the study by Sykes in Cheddar and in that study three people were found to be closely related. I suggest that that makes the point quite strongly. Relatively speaking, there is a very small amount of DNA to go around so we all share a relatively small DNA heritage. My own family history underscores this evidence very clearly. My ancestors were Angles or Saxons that came to the area around Cirencester in Gloucestershire circa C5 from what is now northern Germany. There are people in Germany today who are related to me. Members of the family still live around Cirencester today, but after the industrial revolution, many began moving to other parts of the UK and also abroad. Wherever my family go, a DNA footprint will be left. It is the same for everyone else and that is how genetic genealogy allows deep ancestry to be traced. Genetic genealogy also allows family connections to be found amongst today's populations. I have found family connections in the US about which I previously had no knowledge. Some do not bear the same family name, because our common ancestor was alive before names were adopted. Regards John Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:12:23 -0000 From: "Giles" <gilesoakley@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [B&S] Cheddar Man To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0C5E96A6A6EE4E1B987EDE9A7085B869@userPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I didn't see the Breakfast programme, but I would have thought that the presenter's surprise at people living in the locality today having the same DNA as Cheddar Man would arise from amazement that there would be genetic continuity in one place over so many centuries, rather than surprise that we are all descended from ancient folk. After all, if Cheddar Man's DNA points to a Middle Eastern origin, which suggests considerable movement over time, why would one expect to find his direct descendants still living there today? I don't even live where my parents lived, nor where my grandparents lived, or my great grandparents, or great great grandparents, let alone anyone from thousands of years ago.To me it's mind-boggling that descendants of Cheddar Man are still to be found there. He must have been a helluva Big Cheese! Giles Oakley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ritchings" <johnr@stnectan.demon.co.uk> To: <bristol_and_somerset@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: [B&S] Cheddar Man > Greetings > > On the same Breakfast programme one of the presenters expressed great > surprise that people living in the locality of where Cheddar man was found > had the same mtDNA as he did. Why is this so surprising? Everyone of us > alive today had an ancestor living at the time of Cheddar man. If that > were not the case, we would not be here! Tests had shown that he was > haplogroup U which appears to have been of Middle Eastern origin. > >> From where does the BBC believe that our DNA arises if not from our >> ancestors? It is this very fact that allows genetic genealogy to trace >> our deep ancestry. The same surprise has previously been registered by >> the BBC for other similar examples. > > Regrettably I cannot claim any relationship to Cheddar man as I am mtDNA > haplogroup H. > > Regards

Yes Josephine, there definately is a lot of instances of Bristol and Somerset families living and working in Sth Wales. My Wifes Grandfather, Albert Griffiths Dyer, a Bath man, went to Coelbren and married a Bath girl, Isabel White, there. Most of their children were born there. They returned to Bath to open the fish and chips shop that used to be in Weston High Street. We were fortunate enough to visit Coelbren, Caerbont and Ystradiglas last year. My Brother in laws family of Purnell also moved to Trevethin. Places I would probably have known nothing about if not for Genealogy. Regards Tony Evans On 19/02/2011 7:40 a.m., Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > > I was in South Wales today and, when I was passing through Pontypool, I > was thinking of you and of your relatives who went to Abersychan in > Monmouthshire, as Abersychan is not far from Pontypool. > > Somerset relatives in both Ian's and my family trees had associations with > Monmouthshire, too, and the parish of Trevethin immediately springs to > mind. I expect a number of Bristol_and_Somerset list members have > ancestors with links to the parish of Trevethin as well. > > As I travel through places I often associate them with the families of B& > S list members with whom I have corresponded over the years. > > Today as I was travelling along a little way along the Rhymney Valley, I > was also thinking of Heather whose husband's HASKINS relatives lived in > the coal mining village of Llanbradach, Glamorgan at one time. It turned > out that one of the HASKINS family was the nephew of my 2x great > grandfather, John HANCOCK, from OLdland, Gloucestershire, who died in a > coal pit accident in Blaina, Monmouthshire in December 1869. > > While on the new road passing 'the Brad'(Llanbradach), I saw a sign for > Bargoed and I thought of B& S list member, Patricia, whose Bristol > family once lived there. > > So while I am out and about and not posting I am still thinking of list > members and their families:-) > > Josephine > -- Ehara taku toa i te toa takitahi Engari takimano, no aku tupuna; Te mana, te wehi, te tapu me te ihi, I heke mai ki ahau, no aku tupuna. My greatness comes not from me alone It derives from a multitude, from my ancestors; The authority, the awe, and the artistry I inherited these gifts, from my ancestors. Te Maori