Hi Dave Thank you very much at least I now have a reliable source. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Napier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Temple Church > Hi > > The B&AFHS Burials CD 1754-1812 has Lodowykus Mondet buried there 22 June > 1756. Only the Bishops transcripts exist for this period. > > There is no visible stone in the churchyard with the name on it. > http://www.bafhs.org.uk/bafhs-parishes/medieval-parishes/69-temple-holy-cross > > > Regards > > Dave Napier > [email protected] > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Harrison" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:12 PM > Subject: [B&S] Temple Church > > >>I have been given information without source that Lodowyck Mondet was >>buried >> at Temple Church Bristol in 1756. Does anyone have access to any >> information >> that might confirm this. >> Tony >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi The B&AFHS Burials CD 1754-1812 has Lodowykus Mondet buried there 22 June 1756. Only the Bishops transcripts exist for this period. There is no visible stone in the churchyard with the name on it. http://www.bafhs.org.uk/bafhs-parishes/medieval-parishes/69-temple-holy-cross Regards Dave Napier [email protected] [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Harrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:12 PM Subject: [B&S] Temple Church >I have been given information without source that Lodowyck Mondet was >buried > at Temple Church Bristol in 1756. Does anyone have access to any > information > that might confirm this. > Tony > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been given information without source that Lodowyck Mondet was buried at Temple Church Bristol in 1756. Does anyone have access to any information that might confirm this. Tony

Hi Mike I've been trying to find some old maps online but no luck so far with this one. Bernice From: "Mike Matthews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > Thanks Bernice > > I've seen conflicting reports of where Ware's Gardens was. One says it > ran > North from Beehive Lane, but the 1861 ED description suggests it was > south-west of Beehive Lane. It would be good to find a map clearly > showing > it. > > best wishes > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of bernice > pegler > Sent: 26 July 2012 21:22 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > > > Hi Mike > My grandfather is shown as a 2 year old at Ware's Gardens in 1871 with his > parents John and Mary Ann Floyd. > They may have known your ancestor Edward Andrews. > When trying to find Ware's Gardens some years ago I noted that it was near > Newfoundland Gardens and the next place the enumerator went to was Beehive > Lane. These places were long gone before my 1960s map of Bristol was > printed. > I notice Josephine has said an alternative spelling for Ware's Gardens was > Weare's Gardens but I can't pinpoint that place either. I believe there > was > a place called The Weir at the bottom of Newfoundland Street where the > River > Frome runs into Bristol but this may be a red herring. > Bernice > > From: "Mike Matthews" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:55 AM. > Subject: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > > >> Dear all >> >> >> >> My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've >> been trying to find out where this was. Looking at various records I >> *think* it was in an area bounded by modern Newfoundland Road, Dove Lane, >> St >> Nicholas's Road and Grosvenor Road, but I have not yet found a map >> actually >> showing its location. Does anyone know exactly where it was, or has >> anyone >> seen a map showing it? >> >> >> >> Also, I've seen references to it in connection with Newfoundland Gardens, >> which I believe was where St Agnes Park and the roads running NE of St >> Nicholas's Road now are. This has been described as a 'squatter's >> colony' >> and I'd like to know whether Ware's Gardens was part of this site, or a >> separate development. >> >> >> >> Any assistance would be much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bernice I've seen conflicting reports of where Ware's Gardens was. One says it ran North from Beehive Lane, but the 1861 ED description suggests it was south-west of Beehive Lane. It would be good to find a map clearly showing it. best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of bernice pegler Sent: 26 July 2012 21:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol Hi Mike My grandfather is shown as a 2 year old at Ware's Gardens in 1871 with his parents John and Mary Ann Floyd. They may have known your ancestor Edward Andrews. When trying to find Ware's Gardens some years ago I noted that it was near Newfoundland Gardens and the next place the enumerator went to was Beehive Lane. These places were long gone before my 1960s map of Bristol was printed. I notice Josephine has said an alternative spelling for Ware's Gardens was Weare's Gardens but I can't pinpoint that place either. I believe there was a place called The Weir at the bottom of Newfoundland Street where the River Frome runs into Bristol but this may be a red herring. Bernice From: "Mike Matthews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:55 AM. Subject: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > Dear all > > > > My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've > been trying to find out where this was. Looking at various records I > *think* it was in an area bounded by modern Newfoundland Road, Dove Lane, > St > Nicholas's Road and Grosvenor Road, but I have not yet found a map > actually > showing its location. Does anyone know exactly where it was, or has > anyone > seen a map showing it? > > > > Also, I've seen references to it in connection with Newfoundland Gardens, > which I believe was where St Agnes Park and the roads running NE of St > Nicholas's Road now are. This has been described as a 'squatter's colony' > and I'd like to know whether Ware's Gardens was part of this site, or a > separate development. > > > > Any assistance would be much appreciated. > > > > Regards > > > > Mike > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:20:01 +0100, Dave Napier <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this best place to check out things like this is the Bristol > Council 'know your place' website - you can look for locations on a > modern map and then overlay a map from a previous period (like the 1874 > map). > > http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/know-your-place > Please try it - it is brilliant. Hi Dave, Thank you. I had a look last night. I found that the 1874 Bristol map is an Ashmead so not the same as the c.1874 Bartholomew map I was looking at earlier. The Bartholomew map is included in a two-volume 1874 Gazetteer, which I bought several years ago, especially for the Bristol map. I'd forgotten about it until now. Josephine --

Hi folks I think this best place to check out things like this is the Bristol Council 'know your place' website - you can look for locations on a modern map and then overlay a map from a previous period (like the 1874 map). http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/know-your-place Please try it - it is brilliant. There are two versions - the enhanced version is best but if you've got a creaky ol' computer with windows XP, you might prefer the option without the 'silverlight plugin' which is still excellent. Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:55:57 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've >> been trying to find out where this was. > >> I notice Josephine has said an alternative spelling for Ware's Gardens >> was Weare's Gardens but I can't pinpoint that place either. > > Hi Mike and Bernice, > > I only found Weare's Gardens, the alternative spelling of Ware's Gardens, > in one Bristol Directory. > > When I searched on Google for "Weare's Gardens""Bristol", there were some > hits but there were more for "Ware's Gardens""Bristol". > > I looked along Newfoundland Street to Newfoundland Lane/Road on a Bristol > map of c.1874, but although there were some streets shown on the left-hand > side of the road, after its intersection with Houlton Street, the streets > weren't marked and there were open spaces. > > It was interesting to see how many changes had taken place in the area, > where Ware's Gardens was, when I compared the map of c. 1874 with the > Godfrey Edition of Bristol (NE) 1902. > > Josephine. > > -- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:55:57 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've > been trying to find out where this was. > I notice Josephine has said an alternative spelling for Ware's Gardens > was Weare's Gardens but I can't pinpoint that place either. Hi Mike and Bernice, I only found Weare's Gardens, the alternative spelling of Ware's Gardens, in one Bristol Directory. When I searched on Google for "Weare's Gardens""Bristol", there were some hits but there were more for "Ware's Gardens""Bristol". I looked along Newfoundland Street to Newfoundland Lane/Road on a Bristol map of c.1874, but although there were some streets shown on the left-hand side of the road, after its intersection with Houlton Street, the streets weren't marked and there were open spaces. It was interesting to see how many changes had taken place in the area, where Ware's Gardens was, when I compared the map of c. 1874 with the Godfrey Edition of Bristol (NE) 1902. Josephine. --

Hi Mike My grandfather is shown as a 2 year old at Ware's Gardens in 1871 with his parents John and Mary Ann Floyd. They may have known your ancestor Edward Andrews. When trying to find Ware's Gardens some years ago I noted that it was near Newfoundland Gardens and the next place the enumerator went to was Beehive Lane. These places were long gone before my 1960s map of Bristol was printed. I notice Josephine has said an alternative spelling for Ware's Gardens was Weare's Gardens but I can't pinpoint that place either. I believe there was a place called The Weir at the bottom of Newfoundland Street where the River Frome runs into Bristol but this may be a red herring. Bernice From: "Mike Matthews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:55 AM. Subject: [B&S] Ware's Gardens, St Paul, Bristol > Dear all > > > > My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've > been trying to find out where this was. Looking at various records I > *think* it was in an area bounded by modern Newfoundland Road, Dove Lane, > St > Nicholas's Road and Grosvenor Road, but I have not yet found a map > actually > showing its location. Does anyone know exactly where it was, or has > anyone > seen a map showing it? > > > > Also, I've seen references to it in connection with Newfoundland Gardens, > which I believe was where St Agnes Park and the roads running NE of St > Nicholas's Road now are. This has been described as a 'squatter's colony' > and I'd like to know whether Ware's Gardens was part of this site, or a > separate development. > > > > Any assistance would be much appreciated. > > > > Regards > > > > Mike > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Josephine, Oh how I wish I were in Britain right now. I would definitely be at Winterbourne Medieval Barn on Sunday. If any of you can make it, I'd appreciate a report. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Owner/Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Owner/Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:59 AM Subject: [B&S] Romans, Steam,E.V. Thompson -- articles in The Post yesterday > Hi Listers, > > Three articles in The Post yesterday have caught my attention: > > Find out how the Romans lived > > http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Romans-lived/story-16588512-detail/story.html >

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:55:57 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've > been trying to find out where this was. Hi Mike, Thanks for your off-list response. If you look at Place:Bristol Registration District, 1871 Census Street Index U-Z http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Bristol_Registration_District,_1871_Census_Street_Index_U-Z you will see the reference for Ware's Gardens RG 10/2529 Folio 19-26 Perhaps a list member can supply the enumeration district description for the Ware's Gardens area in 1871. Josephine. --

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:09:09 +0100, Tony Harrison <[email protected]> wrote: > Whilst looking through Brit- Gen I came across this submission for Luton > or > Lewton as George was born Bitton It might be worth looking. > http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/65529-LUTON-LEWTON-family-in-Gloucestershire > Regards Hi Tony, Thanks for this reference. I've just had a look and was reminded of a Bitton LEAR and LEWTON family puzzle, which is here: http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/showthread.php?t=18710 It looks like the same family! All very interesting!! :-) Josephine --

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:55:57 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've > been trying to find out where this was. Looking at various records I > *think* it was in an area bounded by modern Newfoundland Road, Dove > Lane, St Nicholas's Road and Grosvenor Road, but I have not yet found a > map actually showing its location. Does anyone know exactly where it > was, or has anyone> seen a map showing it? Hi Mike, In an 1875 Bristol Directory, this was listed as Weare's Gardens, Newfoundland Lane. I think that Newfoundland Lane became Newfoundland Road. Josephine --

Dear all My ancestor Edward ANDREWS was living in Ware's Gardens in 1871 and I've been trying to find out where this was. Looking at various records I *think* it was in an area bounded by modern Newfoundland Road, Dove Lane, St Nicholas's Road and Grosvenor Road, but I have not yet found a map actually showing its location. Does anyone know exactly where it was, or has anyone seen a map showing it? Also, I've seen references to it in connection with Newfoundland Gardens, which I believe was where St Agnes Park and the roads running NE of St Nicholas's Road now are. This has been described as a 'squatter's colony' and I'd like to know whether Ware's Gardens was part of this site, or a separate development. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Regards Mike

Hi Listers, Three articles in The Post yesterday have caught my attention: Find out how the Romans lived http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Romans-lived/story-16588512-detail/story.html Steaming down to south coast http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Steaming-south-coast/story-16588516-detail/story.html Ernest Victor Thompson http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Ernest-Victor-Thompson/story-16588573-detail/story.html Josephine --

Hi Listers, Yesterday, I mentioned two clock makers of Kingswood Hill, father and son, George LEWTON and Richard LEWTON. There's a photograph of an antique longcase mahogany clock by Richard LEWTON of Kingswood Hill with detailed information about it here: http://www.allansmithantiqueclocks.co.uk/Detail.asp?catList=LCMAH+274&catTitle=Longcase+Mahogany+ It's always interesting to find something extra about families being researched, other than names and dates. However, this clock brings up another puzzle as Richard LEWTON was working as a clock maker in the second half of the 19th century and this clock is in the style of a clock dating from 1820. Josephine --

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:29:31 +0100, Josephine Jeremiah <[email protected]> wrote: > The two BRAIN brothers I mentioned were using the BRAIN surname up to the > mid 1830s, when they were having children baptized, and then by the 1841 > census their surname had become LEWTON. > > It's a puzzle, but I'm much nearer sorting them out than I was, plus I > think I've just found another BRAIN brother calling himself LEWTON at the > time of the 1851 Oldland census and there's also a BRAIN grandchild in > this John's household. > Whippers Hill > Piece 1944 Folio 0422 Schedule 044 > He was John LEWTON, a shoemaker, aged 63, which doesn't fit with the date > of baptism of John BRAIN, son of Richard and Ann, on 17th. August 1800 at > Hanham, but he could have been baptized some time after birth or a > mistake could have been made with his age on the census. Hi Listers, After more sifting through the evidence, I don't think this John LEWTON of the 1851 Oldland census, was the brother of the two BRAIN brothers whom I have been researching. I still think he could have been a BRAIN originally and his age matches a 1788 BRAIN baptism, but the parents are not the same as those of George BRAIN and Samuel BRAIN, the brothers who had changed their names to LEWTON by the 1841 census. Josephine --

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:43:51 +0100, Sylvia Butzin <[email protected]> wrote: > 1841 census, Bitton District 7 page 10 Hamlet of Oldland, Parish Bitton, > Kingswood Hill all born in district > George Lewton 45 Clock m > Susanna 50 Hi Sylvia, Thanks for looking up this family. I wasn't sure whether the name would be LEWTON or BRAIN. When George married Susanna STONE on 17th. January 1831 at Temple Church, Bristol, his surname was recorded as BRAIN. Susanna, aged 64, was buried on 15th. December 1852 at Holy Trinity, Kingswood. George LEWTON, a widower aged 75, married Mary CARTER, a widow aged 57, on 28th. May 1868. The abode of George was Kingswood Hill and his occupation was watchmaker. The name and occupation of George's father was not stated. I'm not surprised because George's father was Richard BRAIN not LEWTON. The abode of Mary CARTER was North Common. Her father was recorded as George POTTS. The witnesses were Richard LEWTON and Mary Ann LEWTON. I think that the witness, Richard LEWTON, was George's son who, as a widower, married again in 1897. The marriage took place at St. Anne's, Oldland, the groom being 72 years old and the bride, Mary Frances Charlotte WILKINS, being 31 years of age. The groom's name at this 1897 marriage was Richard Brain LEWTON and he was a clock and watchmaker like his father. Josephine --

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:17:41 +0100, Karen Palandri <[email protected]> wrote: > I thought perhaps they wanted to hide because of bankruptcy so I had a > look at the London Gazette. There was a court case Brain v Brain listed > which > went to the High Court of Chancery in 1847 which I sent you privately. > Could this be the cause of the change of name perhaps? Hi Karen and Listers, Thanks for the reference and thanks for the suggestion, Karen I've been thinking along the lines of some scandal, myself. I wonder if a member of the BRAIN family had committed some crime in the second half of the 1830s. The two BRAIN brothers I mentioned were using the BRAIN surname up to the mid 1830s, when they were having children baptized, and then by the 1841 census their surname had become LEWTON. It's a puzzle, but I'm much nearer sorting them out than I was, plus I think I've just found another BRAIN brother calling himself LEWTON at the time of the 1851 Oldland census and there's also a BRAIN grandchild in this John's household. Whippers Hill Piece 1944 Folio 0422 Schedule 044 He was John LEWTON, a shoemaker, aged 63, which doesn't fit with the date of baptism of John BRAIN, son of Richard and Ann, on 17th. August 1800 at Hanham, but he could have been baptized some time after birth or a mistake could have been made with his age on the census. Food for thought anyway. It looks like this John was having children baptized under the surname of BRAIN in Oldland, too. Josephine --

Hello Josephine, I thought perhaps they wanted to hide because of bankruptcy so I had a look at the London Gazette. There was a court case Brain v Brain listed which went to the High Court of Chancery in 1847 which I sent you privately. Could this be the cause of the change of name perhaps? Karen Lyon, France It appears that members of the family were being recorded as BRAIN in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, but later in the 19th century some members were using the surname LEWTON. George BRAIN, son of Richard and Ann, was baptized on 1st January 1792 at Hanham. Samuel BRAIN, son of Richard and Ann, was baptized on 6th. September 1795 at Hanham, GLS. Both George and Samuel BRAIN used the surname BRAIN when they married. George BRAIN and Frances HOWSE were married on 10th. September 1818 at St. Paul's Church, Portland Square, Bristol. Samuel BRAIN, bachelor of Bitton, and Ann WILKINS, spinster of Siston, were married, by banns, on 16th. February 1819 at Siston, GLS. Both George and Samuel used the surname BRAIN when their children were baptized at Oldland, GLS. Their elder children weren't given the middle name of Lewton, but some of their younger children were given this middle name. George and Samuel BRAIN, had their eldest children, Mary and Edwin, baptized on the same day at the same church. Mary BRAIN, aged 5 months, daughter of George and Frances, was baptized on 21st. November 1819 at Oldland. Abode was Kingswood Hill and father's occupation was clock maker. Edwin BRAIN, aged 9 weeks, son of Samuel and Ann, was baptized on 21st. November 1819 at Oldland, Gloucestershire. Abode was Oldland Common and father's occupation was cordwainer. Other children of George and Frances BRAIN, who were baptized at Oldland included: Sarah BRAIN, aged 3 months, baptized on 8th. April 1821. Richard Luton BRAIN, baptized on 22nd. June 1823. George, aged 7 months, baptized on 10th. October 1824. Catherine Lewton BRAIN, baptized on 18th. May 1828. Ann Lewton BRAIN, baptized on 18th. May 1828. All the baptisms, except Richard's, have the abode as Kingswood Hill. At Richard's baptism, the abode was Kingswood. Father's occupation was recorded as clock maker at all the baptisms. Fanny BRAIN, daughter of George and Frances, was baptized on 14th. March 1830 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood. Abode was Kingswood Hill and father's occupation was clock maker. Frances BRAIN, aged 31 of Kingswood Hill, was buried on 7th. March 1830 at Holy Trinity, Kingswood. George BRAIN remarried the next year. George BRAIN and Susanna STONE were married, by banns, on 17th. January 1831 at Temple Church, Bristol. Samuel BRAIN, the son of George and Susanna, was baptized on 12th. August 1832 at Holy Trinity, Kingswood. Abode was Kingswood Hill and father's occupation was clock maker. By the time of the 1841 census, both the brothers George BRAIN, clock maker, and Samuel BRAIN, cordwainer, had changed their surnames to LEWTON. George and his family were still at Kingswood Hill, while Samuel and his family were living in Maesteg, Glamorgan in 1841. I don't know why the brothers changed their surname from BRAIN to LEWTON. Josephine -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message