On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:49:51 +0100, Mouseuk <[email protected]> wrote: > See your message re Benjamin Waters wine hooper. We have been > researching waters families in Bristol. On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:18:20 +0100, Mouseuk <[email protected]> wrote: > I have not been able to find much out about John 1763( I think he may > have died young) but his parents were Thomas Waters 1737 and Rachel Iles. Hi Debbie, The surnames WATERS and ILES suggested Bitton, GLS to me so to satisfy my curiosity I had a look for their marriage. Sure enough I found it in Bitton. I expect you already have this marriage, but other WATERS researchers may be interested. Thomas WATERS, coal miner, and Rachel ILES, spinster, were married, by banns, on 5th. February 1759 at Bitton. Both were of the parish. Josephine --

Hi Judy Thanks for your reply. There is a Benjamin Jefferies Waters born c 1797 who i believe is the son of John Waters (c 1763) and Sarah Jefferies. (Sometimes spelt Jefferis). Benjamin had a brother Joseph Jefferies Waters b c1790. This Joseph i am trying to prove is the Joseph who married Elizabeth Moody and had a son John William 1819 who is my husbands 3x great grandfather. I have not been able to find much out about John 1763( I think he may have died young) but his parents were Thomas Waters 1737 and Rachel Iles. Let us know if you require further info. Debbie Waters

Hi Listers, An article in The Post about the renovation of Bristol's Theatre Royal may be of interest: PHOTOS: Bristol Old Vic set prepares to reopen http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/PHOTOS-Bristol-Old-Vic-set-prepares-reopen/story-16759097-detail/story.html Josephine --

David and Debbie,   At this point I am unsure who Benjamin WATERS parents were.  I have a family bible from the 1780s with a birth announcement for Elizabeth WATERs on 28 Oct 1789 with her parents names Benjamin and Sarah.  H Franks and Samuel Badham were listed as godfathers and Elizabeth Townsend & Elizabeth Biggs as godmothers.  I would guess that Benjamin was born about 1768 since Josephine found  a Benjamin WATERS and Sarah THOMPSON marriage date on 28 Oct 1788 at St James.  On familysearch.org I found a Benjamin Jeffries WATERs born or baptized on 25 Jun 1797.  I was unsure if he could be Elizabeth’s brother as his mother was listed as Sarah Waters and father as Jefferies Waters.  I have found the name Benjamin WATERS from Bath in a 1661 birth record for James on familysearch. His father was Benjamin and mother Elizabeth. I have not posted a family tree yet in hopes that I can research a little further back.   Judy

Hi Listers, A Wells Journal article has caught my eye: Almshouses open http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Almshouses-open/story-16755229-detail/story.html The article features the Heritage Open Days Scheme. Five of the almshouses in the City of Wells, will be taking part on Friday 7th. September and Saturday 8th. September. Josephine --

Hi Judy See your message re Benjamin Waters wine hooper. We have been researching waters families in Bristol. We have built up a tree and wonder if your Benajmin is connected to our family. Do you know his parents? We have a Joseph Waters accountant/clerk born 1789 who married Elizabeth Moody. We have always thought his father was a John Waters 1762 who married Sarah Jefferies and there is a baptism for a Joseph Jefferies Waters around the right time but other info has led us to beleive that maybe this is the wrong family. Just wondering if you knew any more regarding your Benjamins background. David & Debbie Waters

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:17:45 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I had one more question about a possible sibling of Joseph HILL named > John HILL born in the 1790s or early 1800s His parents would have been > Joseph HILL and Charlota married in 1797 in Bedminster I have a late > 1800 photo taken by Sydney Smyth in Weston Super Mare of a John HILL in > a Queen's guard type uniform > My grandmother identified him as Johnny Bull HILL Hi Judy, I've looked in the three Bristol Baptism CDs, which cover the late 1790s and early 1800s, but did not find the baptism of a John HILL, son of Joseph and Charlotte/Charlota. Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > Charlotte, my 2X gr grandmother, was the first orphan at George Muller’s > Orphanage in Bristol. Hi Listers, There's a reference to Judy's 2x great-grandmother, Charlotte HILL, the first orphan at Muller's Orphanage, in the section entitled First Orphanage, on the following web page: http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-566-By-faith-the-life-of-George-Muller-remembered.htm Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol,St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born in > Bristol about 1790-1800, and died in 1832. Joseph was the owner of the > Plume of Feathers > Pub (now Castle Green Pub) from 1828-1832. They were married in 1822. > They had three childrenCharlotte b. 1828, Sarah b. 1829, and Elizabeth > b.1823. Hi Judy, In a previous message I mentioned that Elizabeth Waters HILL, daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth, was baptized on 3rd. August 1823 at Pip 'n' Jay, Bristol. Abode was Wapping and father's occupation was brick maker. In case, you don't know of Wapping there's an old map on my web site, which shows the location: Queens Square and its surroundings, Bristol 1789 http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/Queensq.htm Wapping is on the left of the map. Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born in > Bristol about 1790-1800, and died in 1832. Joseph was the owner of the > Plume of Feathers > Pub (now Castle Green Pub) from 1828-1832. They were married in 1822. > They had three childrenCharlotte b. 1828, Sarah b. 1829, and Elizabeth > b.1823. Hi Judy, I thought I would look at the Bristol baptisms of the children of Joseph and Elizabeth HILL to see if I could find any information, which you don't already know. I found that the three children you've mentioned were baptized at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Elizabeth Waters HILL was baptized on 3rd. August 1823. Abode was Wapping and father's occupation was brick maker. Charlotte was baptized on 22nd. May 1825. Abode was Bedminster and father's occupation was tile maker. Note the baptism was in 1825, though you have 1828 for Charlotte's birth. Sarah was baptized on 19th. July 1829. Abode was St. Philip and father's occupation was victualler. These baptisms are included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 1 to 7 Index & Transcripts 1813-1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born inBristol about 1790-1800, and > died in 1832. Joseph was the owner of the Plume of Feathers Pub(now > Castle Green Pub) from 1828-1832. Hi Judy, In Pigot's Bristol Directory of 1830, Jos. HILL was listed at the Plume of Feathers, Gloster Lane. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bristol/DUFETTtoJOSEPH.html There's an old map, on my website showing the position of Gloster/Gloucester Lane Old Market, West Street and part of Lawrence Hill, Bristol 1789 http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/oldmarket.htm Gloucester Lane is a turning off West Street. This old map also shows the position of The Brickyards and Brick Yard Pool, which may be of interest as Joseph HILL was a brick and tile maker in 1823. Josephine

Hi Bernice Thank you for this reference. My 10th Great grandfather and 9th Great uncle appear on the list. My 9th Great grandfather was only 13 at the time. Interesting that it gives the stature of the person. Regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernice pegler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:48 PM Subject: [B&S] Men & Armour for Gloucs in 1608 and Bristol Inhabitants in1696 > The list has mentioned censuses pre 1841. There was a list of men able to > fight for King James I taken in 1608 by John Smyth who was the Steward to > the Gloucestershire lands of Lord Berkeley of Berkeley Castle, > Gloucestershire. John Smyth went from parish to parish and listed those > men able to fight and described their rough age and stature as to which > weapon they could bear for the King or what weapons they already > possessed. Whilst this is by no means a census it is a useful guide as to > where your Gloucestershire ancestors lived in 1608. I used to look at the > actual volumes at the library but note that the details are now online if > you google "Men and Armour for Gloucestershire in 1608" and a searchable > database is on Coaley.net > > I don't think it is a list of all males in Gloucestershire parishes but it > may list the person you've been looking for for years. > > There was also a list of inhabitants of Bristol in 1696, parish by parish. > This is also now online and may be a useful finding aid for you. > > Bernice in Bristol > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born in Bristol about 1790-1800, and > died in 1832. > I am also interested in learning Elizabeth WATERS lineage. Her parents > may have been Benjamin and Sarah WATERS who were born about 1769 in St. > Phillips parish. Hi Judy, In a previous message, I gave details of Benjamin WATERS, a wine hooper, who was made a Bristol Burgess in 1784. The 1812 Bristol Poll Book has an entry for Benjamin WATERS, Wine Hooper, at River-court in St. Philip & Jacob Out Parish. Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:59:01 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you so much for the information and the sources for Joseph HILL > and Elizabeth WATERS families. It all seems to fit into what I have > researched. Could you tell me what or where The Marsh was in Bristol > that you mentioned as their abode? Hi Judy, Thank you for your response. As Joseph HILL was baptized at Pip 'n' Jay in 1801, I'm assuming that The Marsh was St. Philip's Marsh, Bristol. Here's a link to an old map dating from c.1900, which shows St. Philip's Marsh: http://www1.somerset.gov.uk/archives/Maps/OS62htm/0603.htm The church of St. Philip and St. Jacob can be seen between Narrow Plain and Old Market Street on this map. Josephine

Josephine,   Thank you for the additional information   The maps were very interesting  I had one more question about a possible sibling of Joseph HILL named John HILL born in the 1790s or early 1800s   His parents would  have been Joseph HILL and Charlota married in 1797 in Bedminster     I have a late 1800 photo taken by Sydney Smyth in Weston Super Mare of a John HILL in a Queen's guard type uniform  My grandmother identified him as Johnny Bull HILL   Judy Cooper

Hello again >From the printed registers of Bitton 1571 - 1674 (baptisms, marriages, burials) these entries appear for Pitman. Elinor Pitman buried 9 Jan 1651/52 Richard Pittman buried 18 Jan 1653/54 Margeri Pyttman baptised 2 Oct 1592 daughter of Thomas Pyttman, gentleman Hope this helps your research. Bernice To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: [B&S] A Pittman or Pitman line in Bitton Parish? >I am researching an early Pittman or Pitman line from Virginia. > Some Ancestry trees list the following person from Bitton (I have not > verified this info): > > Thomas Pitman (1564-1604), born in Bittin, Gloucestershire, England, > died in Wickwar, Gloucestershire, England > > Is there a Gloucestershire or other UK Pittman/Pitman out there who is > currently reseaching this line? Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born in > Bristol about 1790-1800, and died in 1832. Hi Judy, A match for the burial of Elizabeth HILL, who died in 1832, could be that of Elizabeth HILL, aged 36, who was buried on 17th. August 1832 at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. Her age at death is not an exact match with the 1789 baptism for Elizabeth WATERS, daughter of Benjamin and Sarah, which I gave in a previous message, but I've often seen mistakes in ages recorded at death. This burial is included in the CD of Bristol Burials 1813 to 1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk I couldn't find a match for the burial of Joseph HILL in 1832. Josephine

Hello I've checked the Gloucester Archives website and found there is a will dated 1591 for a Thomas Pitman of Wickwar. There is also a will for a Samuel Pitman of nearby Iron Acton in 1711. I also checked for Pittman. These wills are held at Gloucester Record Office and maybe accessed online at A2A (National Archives website) and downloaded for 3.50 sterling. Bernice From: "R Starr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:53 AM Subject: [B&S] A Pittman or Pitman line in Bitton Parish? >I am researching an early Pittman or Pitman line from Virginia. > Some Ancestry trees list the following person from Bitton (I have not > verified this info): > > Thomas Pitman (1564-1604), born in Bittin, Gloucestershire, England, > died in Wickwar, Gloucestershire, England > > Is there a Gloucestershire or other UK Pittman/Pitman out there who is > currently reseaching this line? Thanks. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. > His wife was Elizabeth (WATERS), born in Bristol about 1790-1800, and > died in 1832. > I am also interested in learning Elizabeth WATERS lineage. Her parents > may have been Benjamin and Sarah WATERS who were born about 1769 in St. > Phillips parish. Hi Judy, Elizabeth WATERS, daughter of Benjamin and Sarah, was baptized on 6th. December 1789 at the church of St. James, Bristol. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 8 to 10 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine

On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:30:57 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for information about the parents of Joseph HILL. He was > born in Bristol, St.Phillips parish, around 1790-1801 and died in 1832. Hi Judy, In a previous message I mentioned Joseph HILL, the son of Joseph and Charlotte, who was baptized on 12th. July 1801, at the age of 2 years 11 months, at the church of St. Philip & St. Jacob, Bristol. A likely marriage for the parents could be that of Joseph HILL and Charlota AYRES, who were married, by banns, on 25th. September 1797 at St. John's, Bedminster. Both were of the parish. This marriage is included in Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 9 Groom and Bride Indexes & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Josephine