> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:10:57 +0100, Jim Parsons > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I must be getting old. > > > I was thinking "Those were the days" > > > Incidentally, Max Bygraves who died today lived along the coast at > > Sandbanks> Actually, Max Bygraves died in Australia to where he emigrated in about 2005. It's true that he once lived at Bournemouth or Poole but I rather think it was at Canford Cliffs and not Sandbanks. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:10:57 +0100, Jim Parsons <[email protected]> wrote: > I must be getting old. > I was thinking "Those were the days" > Incidentally, Max Bygraves who died today lived along the coast at > Sandbanks Hi Jim, Your mention of Max Bygraves made me think of a film I saw with my Mum and Dad at the Vandyke Cinema in Fishponds, Bristol, when I was a child. I thought back down the long years and decided that I must have seen it around 1958. A quick search brought forth the following web page on the 1958 film 'A Cry from the Streets' with Max Bygraves, Barbara Murray and Dana Wilson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Cry_from_the_Streets There's an interesting photograph of Max Bygraves at Little Paradise, Bedminster taken in the 1950s when he was performing at the Bristol Hippodrome: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/7566871016/ Josephine

I must be getting old. I was thinking "Those were the days" Incidentally, Max Bygraves who died today lived along the coast at Sandbanks Jim

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 18:34:19 +0100, Jim Parsons <[email protected]> wrote: > Not too much problem in mentioning Weymouth on here I hope. After all, > this is Bristol and Somerset, and much of Somerset was connected to the > south > coast, by the old Slow and Dirty. Cheddar Line and all that. Hi Jim, There were a number of posts to the list in late June and early July 2011 about steam locomotives between Bristol and Weymouth. I remember the Slow and Dirty was mentioned, but I can't recollect that anyone objected to the thread. I see that there was an article this year in The Post on 2nd. July 2012, which mentions the Weymouth Seaside Express and has a photograph of the locomotive hauling the Express leaving Temple Meads Station: Expresses carry passengers back to age of steam http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Expresses-carry-passengers-age-steam/story-16475184-detail/story.html Josephine

Not too much problem in mentioning Weymouth on here I hope. After all, this is Bristol and Somerset, and much of Somerset was connected to the south coast, by the old Slow and Dirty. Cheddar Line and all that. Jim http://www.payman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Now 26,000 Names in the forest Have found the WOODs and WOODLANDs (+ a BUSH) there are BIRDs in the trees (including SPARROWs) Also COOKs, BUTLERs, BUTCHERs BAKER's, CAKEs and OVENS Have PRINCEs, KINGs & DUKEs PARSONS, POPEs & BISHOPs but mostly Ag Labs - Happy Hunting see also: http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk http://www.opcdorset.com http://www.communigate.co.uk/twc/fromedissenters/index.phtml

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:34:58 +0100, parsons james <[email protected]> wrote: > Down yer in Vroom (Frome) our Sunday School outings were to Wey mouth on > the (Steam) Train. We always referred to WSM as Weston on the mud, in > contrast to the glorious yellow sands of South Dorset. Hi Jim, Good to hear from you! Your mention of Weymouth has pointed my childhood memories in that direction, now :-) I remember outings to Weymouth, but they weren't Sunday School outings. My first trip to Weymouth from Bristol was by steam train, too, but it was the first stage of a long journey to Guernsey, when I was five years old. Other trips to Weymouth from Bristol involved journeys by car. They were day trips and we spent our time on the beach. I learnt to swim at Bowleaze Cove, near Weymouth. The last Weymouth trip I made was on August 3rd. 1963. I can date it precisely because it was a friend's birthday party that day and I'd gone to Weymouth instead. Ian had a memorable trip to Weymouth once. He and his family had been waiting for some time to cross the River Severn on the Welsh side of the Aust Ferry, when the ferry stopped running presumably because of the weather. They had to continue the trip by going around Gloucester, which in those days was the first bridging point for cars. Ian said, 'It was grumble, grumble all the way!' Weymouth isn't that far away from Bristol. Looking at a table of distances dating from c. 1857, because that's all I have to hand, I see that the distance between Bristol and Weymouth was given as 63 miles, whereas the distance between Bristol and Weston-super-Mare was given as 21 miles. Josephine

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Down yer in Vroom (Frome) our Sunday School outings were to Wey mouth on the (Steam) Train. We always referred to WSM as Weston on the mud, in contrast to the glorious yellow sands of South Dorset. Happy Days Jim On 1 September 2012 15:32, Josephine Jeremiah <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Thank you for this. I haven't had a look yet, but I'm sure it will be > worth watching and will bring back lots of memories for those of us who > frequented Weston-super-Mare in the 1960s. > > This seaside resort must have been familiar to generations of children who > went to Weston for their Sunday School outings as I did. My Mum and Dad > talked about such outings in their own Bristol childhoods and my Dad > remembered going to Weston once in a horse-drawn brake. >

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:04:07 +0100, Mouseuk <[email protected]> wrote: > Our Joseph Waters married Elizabeth Moody on 4/8/1811 at St John > Bedminster > I note there is another Waters family in Dymock Gloucestershire but have > made no connections to them. > Any ideas welcomed. Hi Debbie, As your Joseph Waters was married in Bedminster, Somerset, perhaps his family came from Somerset rather than Gloucestershire. If you have the Marriage Index Vol 10 North Somerset Parishes 1754-1837, you could look at brides and grooms with the surname WATERS and note the churches where they married. This may give some idea of parishes where people called WATERS may have lived. This, of course, may be a red herring, but nothing ventured nothing gained. Josephine

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 10:37:44 +0100, Chris Jefferies <[email protected]> wrote: > On Friday Points West showed old colour film of Weston-super-Mare on a > bank holiday in the 1960s taken from a helicopter. The most amazing > thing was the number of people packed into the town! It was from a 1960s > programme called "Beside the Seaside" which was part of a series called > "Birds Eye View" > which is available to view at :- > http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/ Hi Chris, Thank you for this. I haven't had a look yet, but I'm sure it will be worth watching and will bring back lots of memories for those of us who frequented Weston-super-Mare in the 1960s. This seaside resort must have been familiar to generations of children who went to Weston for their Sunday School outings as I did. My Mum and Dad talked about such outings in their own Bristol childhoods and my Dad remembered going to Weston once in a horse-drawn brake. The earliest Sunday School outing I remember was travelling to Weston by train from Staple Hill railway station. Later outings were by coach. An image of Weston's Floral Clock has just sprung into my mind as I think that was one of the first sights to be seen. In the 1960s, I used to enjoy spending time in The Pool. I'm not sure what the official name was, but remember it being referred to as just The Pool. I've just dug out my photo album from the 1960s and I see that I have captioned one photo from the summer of 1967 as The Pool, Weston-super-Mare. Sadly, the photograph has gone astray, but I remember the occasion well. A penfriend from the Midlands was on holiday at Weston with her family and they had invited me to have lunch with them in their guest house and to stay with them for the day. Luckily, there was a coach trip to Weston from my village on that particular day so the travelling was easy. In my youth, I found the town as interesting as the beach and The Pool. I used to love walking through the Winter Gardens between the seafront and the shops, where I would spend my pocket money on knick-knacks. I expect the BBC archive will bring back even more memories. Josephine

Hi Josephine Thanks for the details. Yes i do have them and the fact that it would appear brother and sister married at the same church has made us realise that this Joseph is unlikely to be ours along with other info from another researcher. Our Joseph Waters married Elizabeth Moody on 4/8/1811 at St John Bedminster so it is not likely he married twice as the double marriage is later (unless he maintained two families!). He and Elizabeth and 10 children between 1812 and 1829. In fact he died in July 1829 before the youngest was born. He committed suicide and i have a couple of newspaper articles, his burial and an admon in favour of wife Elizabeth. No mention is made of his parentage. He is noted as an accountant or a clerk and his sons went into Hatting whereas the other Josephs family seemed to have their roots in coalmining/landownership. I note there is another Waters family in Dymock Gloucestershire but have made no connections to them. Any ideas welcomed. Thanks Debbie Waters

On Friday Points West showed old colour film of Weston-super-Mare on a bank holiday in the 1960s taken from a helicopter. The most amazing thing was the number of people packed into the town! It was from a 1960s programme called "Beside the Seaside" which was part of a series called "Birds Eye View" which is available to view at :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/ It mainly covers seaside towns in the southwest but Weston seems to get the most coverage around 20 mins from the start with Clevedon getting brief coverage just before. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos

Thank you Chris but, sadly, not available over here in Canada. (;-(( Edna - Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jefferies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 5:37 AM Subject: [B&S] BBC Archive On Friday Points West showed old colour film of Weston-super-Mare on a bank holiday in the 1960s taken from a helicopter. The most amazing thing was the number of people packed into the town! It was from a 1960s programme called "Beside the Seaside" which was part of a series called "Birds Eye View" which is available to view at :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/ It mainly covers seaside towns in the southwest but Weston seems to get the most coverage around 20 mins from the start with Clevedon getting brief coverage just before. Chris Jefferies Cheltenham Glos

From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <[email protected]> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:58:28 +0100, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a > little tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at > FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them > for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family > history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. > > Hi Roy, > > Thank you very much for this tip. Even people, like me, who have > been researching for years are likely to find it useful if they didn't know > about it before. > > I've searched on unusual first names only, but not on a surname as a > middle name. > > VEATER, the surname of some of my ancestors in the 18th and 19th > centuries, is one of the more unusual surnames in my tree. > > So I put *VEATER into the first name field and found a number of > names new to me in Somerset, Gloucestershire and Glamorgan plus one I > recognized as my great-grandfather's first cousin.> Very glad you found it useful, Josephine. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: [email protected] > Many thanks Roy for this very informative tip. I did not know of > this and have spent a while finding various Burdekin's. > > Tricia> Now that is a very unusual and interesting name and yet I see there are quite a lot of entries at FreeBMD where BURDEKIN has been used as a middle name. Glad it's been of help to you. I would only add to my original message not to bother trying it with Smith, Brown, Jones or any other very common surname because you will be overwhelmed with the response! The usual explanation for a family surname being used as a middle forename is because they wished to commemorate a female surname - a mother, grandmother or great- grandmother - and keep it in the family. I am sure we all have copious examples of this and my purpose in pointing to how to find these entries at FreeBMD was to help listers unfamiliar with the technique. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:58:28 +0100, <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little > tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many > listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them for > being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family history > may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. Hi Roy, Thank you very much for this tip. Even people, like me, who have been researching for years are likely to find it useful if they didn't know about it before. I've searched on unusual first names only, but not on a surname as a middle name. VEATER, the surname of some of my ancestors in the 18th and 19th centuries, is one of the more unusual surnames in my tree. So I put *VEATER into the first name field and found a number of names new to me in Somerset, Gloucestershire and Glamorgan plus one I recognized as my great-grandfather's first cousin. Josephine

I have just posted to the GENBRIT list, in answer to a query, a little tip I learnt quite a few years ago now when researching at FreeBMD. Many listers may already be familiar with it, and I apologise to them for being boring (!), but some newer listers and novices to family history may not have discovered it yet, so I hope it may help them. This little trick I discovered can be very useful indeed if you have an unusual surname and especially for those doing one-name studies. Here it is..... When researching at FreeBMD, try this..... 1) Leave the surname field blank. 2) Enter into the first name field your surname of interest with either a plus sign or an asterisk in front of it - this is vital and either the plus symbol or an asterisk both work. 3) Select All Types and press the Search button. What you will get is a list of events (births, marriages and deaths) in which your surname of interest appears as a MIDDLE forename. To give an example, if I enter "+STOCKDILL" or "*STOCKDILL", I get the following results..... Marriages Sep 1844 COGHILL Robert Stockdill Leeds 23 371 Births Sep 1847 Firth Thomas Stockdill Hunslet 23 317 Deaths Jun 1863 Firth Thomas Stockdill Kirkstall 9b 145 Births Sep 1863 RIDOUT Sarah Stockdill Shaftesbury 5a 237 Deaths Sep 1873 Cooper George Stockdill 0 Leeds 9b 325 Marriages Dec 1883 Middlebrook John Stockdill Bradford Y 9b 101 Marriages Sep 1885 Ridout Sarah Stockdill Lambeth 1d 856 Births Jun 1893 France Robert Stockdill Bradford, Y. 9b 116 Births Mar 1896 Middlebrook Stockdill Dewsbury 9b 558 All of the above FreeBMD entries led me to research further and to discover why the people concerned had the middle name of Stockdill. Entering my principal GOONS name of STOCKDALE produced a far, far greater number of entries, as did entering my secondary one-name study surname of WORSNOP. Try it for yourselves! You may be surprised by what it can lead to, especially branches of your family you never knew existed. It works best, inevitably, with uncommon surnames. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:18:20 +0100, Mouseuk <[email protected]> wrote: > Joseph Jefferies Waters b c1790. This Joseph i am trying to prove is the > Joseph who married Elizabeth Moody and had a son John William 1819 who > is my husbands 3x great grandfather. Hi Debbie, It looks like Joseph Jefferis WATERS, son of John and Sarah, could have been born at the end of 1789 as his age was recorded as 14 months at the time of his baptism on 23rd. January 1791 at Bitton, GLS. This baptism is included in Bristol Diocese Baptismal Registers Vols. 11 to 14 Index & Transcripts 1754-1812 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk It's possible that this Joseph WATERS married Mary Ann HARVEY on 24th. August 1815 at St. Paul's Church, Portland Square, Bristol. I say it's possible because Elizabeth Jefferies WATERS and John TOMPKINS were married on the same day at the same church. These marriages are included in the Index to Bristol Diocese Marriage Registers Vol 8 1813-1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk Elizabeth WATERS, daughter of John and Sarah, was baptized on 3rd. November 1793 at Hanham, GLS. Hanham is near Bitton. Joseph WATERS and Elizabeth Jefferies WATERS who married on the same day at St. Paul's could have been brother and sister. People from places in the southern part of Gloucestershire often used to get married in Bristol churches. Where did your Joseph WATERS marry Elizabeth MOODY? Josephine --

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:11:20 +0100, jcoupe <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a family bible from the 1780s with a birth announcement for > Elizabeth WATERs on 28 Oct 1789with her parents names Benjamin and Sarah. > On familysearch.org I found a Benjamin Jeffries WATERs born or baptized > on 25 Jun 1797. I wasunsure if he could be Elizabeth’s brother as his > mother was listed as Sarah Waters and father asJefferies Waters. Hi Judy, In a previous message, I mentioned that Elizabeth WATERS, daughter of Benjamin and Sarah, was baptized on 6th. December 1789 at the church of St. James, Bristol. The Bristol Burgess Index indicates that Benjamin WATERS was a wine hooper. The baptism of Benjamin WATERS, son of Jeferries (sic) and Sarah WATERS, took place on 5th. July 1798 at Whitfield Chapel, Kingswood, GLS. Benjamin was born on 25th. June 1797. Abode was Bitton, Glos. and father's occupation was butcher. Whitfield Chapel was Congregational. This baptism is included in the Index to the Nonconformist Baptismal Registers in Bristol Record Office 1754 to 1837 produced by Bristol & Avon Family History Society. www.bafhs.org.uk A middle name for Benjamin WATERS was not included in this transcription. Josephine --