On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:02 +0100, Jan Boyes <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Josephine, > Looks like Deborah was a widow in 1841. > There is a Debrah BRIGHT aged 45, birth year 1796, living at Mount Hill, > Bitton, Oldland, Gloucestershire. (Registration district Keynsham, Civil > Parish Bitton) > Piece 361 Folio 45 Page 8 Hi Jan, Thank very much for this information plus the household members. I can now see that the William BRIGHT, aged 56, who was buried on 12th. November 1837 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood, GLS, could be a possible husband for Deborah BRIGHT of the 1841 and 1851 censuses. William's abode was recorded as Windmill Hill, at his burial, whereas Deborah was living at Mount Hill in 1841 and 1851. The abode given at the 1832 BRIGHT baptisms for children of this couple at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood was Mount Hill, too, but I suppose the family have moved between 1832 and 1841 and then moved back again, though I don't know of a Windmill Hill in the vicinity of Kingswood/Oldland. All food for thought, anyway, so thanks again for this 1841 look up especially as it gives a number of the couple's children still living at home. Josephine

Thanks for that Edna. I am interested in the Williton Workshouse as my ex mother in laws convicts parents would have died there at Stogursey, part of theWilliton registrtion district. I also purchased a prison cookbook . Used one for less than 3 pounds. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "liverpud" <[email protected]> To: "Bristol-Somerset List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: [B&S] Workhouses - Somerset > > Includes the Dunster area: > > http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Williton/ > > (;-)) > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Josephine 1841 does not usually show status (S,M,W) I think. I looked up someone yesterday for that very thing. You just get Male/Female and born in or out of county - usually a job for the head of house - but not always Jean Wood http://www.cheziris.eu/index.htm http://www.cheziris.eu/Duterrau.htm > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:58:24 +0100 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [B&S] BRIGHT Deborah, 1841 census look up, please > > Hi Listers, > > I have been looking at the baptism of Deborah Whittingham JAY on 4th. May > 1794 at Hanham, Gloucestershire. Mother was Mary, but no father was > recorded. > > I am wondering if this was the Deborah JAY who married William BRIGHT on > 5th. September > 1809 at the church of St. Philip & Jacob, Bristol. > > Tracking Deborah BRIGHT, I note that, in the 1851 Oldland census, she was > a widow, aged 63, who was formerly a gardenwoman. > > Piece 1944 Folio 0455 Schedule 099 > > Living in her household at Mount Hill were sons, Samuel, 28, and George, > 23, and grandson, William, 10. > All were born in Bitton, GLS. > > Can anyone tell me if Deborah BRIGHT was a widow at the time of the 1841 > census and also the 1841 census reference of her household, please? > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > Hi Jean, > > Thanks for your response. You are right. Status is not usually shown. I > should have asked who was in Deborah BRIGHT's household at the time of the > 1841 census to see if there was a male there who could have been her > husband, William. > > I have the 1837 Kingswood burial of a William BRIGHT who could have been > Deborah's husband, but wanted to check first if she had a possible husband > still living in 1841. > > Josephine Hi Josephine, Looks like Deborah was a widow in 1841. There is a Debrah BRIGHT aged 45, birth year 1796, living at Mount Hill, Bitton, Oldland, Gloucestershire. (Registration district Keynsham, Civil Parish Bitton) Living with her was Isaac BRIGHT, aged 24 Ann BRIGHT, aged 20 Samuel BRIGHT aged 18 Hariot BRIGHT, aged 15 Emma BRIGHT, aged 14 George BRIGHT, aged 10 Piece 361 Folio 45 Page 8 >From Jan

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:58:24 +0100, Josephine Jeremiah <[email protected]> wrote: > Can anyone tell me if Deborah BRIGHT was a widow at the time of the 1841 > census and also the 1841 census reference of her household, please? On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:09:43 +0100, Jean Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > Josephine > 1841 does not usually show status (S,M,W) I think. I looked up someone > yesterday for that very thing. You just get Male/Female and born in or > out of county - usually a job for the head of house - but not always Hi Jean, Thanks for your response. You are right. Status is not usually shown. I should have asked who was in Deborah BRIGHT's household at the time of the 1841 census to see if there was a male there who could have been her husband, William. I have the 1837 Kingswood burial of a William BRIGHT who could have been Deborah's husband, but wanted to check first if she had a possible husband still living in 1841. Josephine

Hi Listers, I've noticed an interesting article in today's Bath Chronicle, which features the historic saddle used by Queen Elizabeth I on her visit to Bristol in 1574: The Kington Saddle used by Queen Elizabeth I goes under the hammer http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Kington-Saddle-used-Queen-Elizabeth-goes-hammer/story-16881380-detail/story.html Josephine

Hi Listers, I have been looking at the baptism of Deborah Whittingham JAY on 4th. May 1794 at Hanham, Gloucestershire. Mother was Mary, but no father was recorded. I am wondering if this was the Deborah JAY who married William BRIGHT on 5th. September 1809 at the church of St. Philip & Jacob, Bristol. Tracking Deborah BRIGHT, I note that, in the 1851 Oldland census, she was a widow, aged 63, who was formerly a gardenwoman. Piece 1944 Folio 0455 Schedule 099 Living in her household at Mount Hill were sons, Samuel, 28, and George, 23, and grandson, William, 10. All were born in Bitton, GLS. Can anyone tell me if Deborah BRIGHT was a widow at the time of the 1841 census and also the 1841 census reference of her household, please? Josephine

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:11:43 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know anything about spirit licenses? I've found a note > written by my gr-gr-grandfather saying that the spirit license of his > pub The > Pilgrim was to be transferred to the Waverley in Lawrence Hill in March > 1911. Hi Mike and Listers, I can't add anything about spirit licenses, but it crossed my mind that pub proprietors might belong to Bristol's Licensed Victualler's Association whose address in 1911 was Baldwin Chambers, 58 Baldwin Street. Albert E. BLAKE was secretary, then. Looking at the Waverley in 1911, I see that it was called the Waverley Spirit Vaults. Walter Hy JAY was the proprietor before Frank CURTIS. Strangely enough, I was looking into a JAY family of Hanham, yesterday. Josephine

Hi Listers, I have been corresponding off-list with someone who is researching STONE and BRIGHT, which has led me to the FRY family. Dinah FRY, the daughter of James and Betty, was baptized on 8th. September 1793 at Hanham, GLS. Dinah was three years old when she was baptized. This could be the Dinah FRY who married William STONE on 28th. July 1811 at Bitton, Gloucestershire. Information from B & A FHS baptism and marriage resources. www.bafhs.org.uk Does anyone have a link with this FRY family of Hanham, please? Josephine

Hi Listers, I have been contacted, off-list, by someone who is researching the BRIGHT family of Kingswood. I have found the following information in the B & A FHS baptism and marriage resources. www.bafhs.org.uk William BRIGHT and Deborah JAY were married, by banns, on 5th. September 1809 at the church of St. Philip & Jacob, Bristol. Four children of William and Deborah BRIGHT were baptized on 1st. June 1817 at Oldland, Gloucestershire. They were Eliza, 8 years, Thomas, 5 years, Isaac, 3 years and Mary 15 months. Abode was Mounthill and father's occupation was quarryman. Six children of William and Deborah BRIGHT were baptized on 22nd. January 1832 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood, Gloucestershire. They were Anne, 12 years, Samuel, 9 years, Harriett (sic) 7 years 6 months, Emma, 5 years, George, 3 years and Martha, 9 months. Abode was Mount Hill and father's occupation was quarrier. Does anyone have a link with this BRIGHT family, please? Josephine

Hi Listers, I have been contacted, off-list, by someone who is researching the STONE family of Bitton. I have found the following information in the B & A FHS baptism and marriage resources. www.bafhs.org.uk William STONE, bachelor, and Dinah FRY, spinster, were married, by banns, on 28th. July 1811 at Bitton, Gloucestershire. Both were of the parish. James, Joseph and Samuel STONE were baptized on 12th. March 1826 at Oldland, Gloucestershire. Parents were William and Dinah STONE. Abode was Cock Road and father's occupation was coal miner. A possible burial for Dinah STONE could be that of Dinah STONE, aged 67, who was buried on 18th. October 1857 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood, Gloucestershire. Abode was Potters Wood. This burial is included in the South Gloucestershire Burial Index: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burial-data/burial-index/catalog?search=Stone&start=25 Does anyone have a link with this STONE family, please? Josephine

Hi Ian Many thanks for this. I'd thought that it was probable that The Pilgrim had a different license prior to 1904. I've been corresponding with a chap at the Pub History Society who says that the license The Pilgrim was granted in 1904 was probably a 7-day spirit license, and it was this that was transferred to the Waverley in 1911. best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Ian Wallace Sent: 11 September 2012 10:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Spirit Licenses I am not sure if this is relevant, but remember that there are different types of licence for different beverages and opening hours. In Wales in the 1960s there were still premises with no spirit licence, so they could sell beer, wines and cider but not spirits. A bit before my time there had also been cider houses which could sell cider but not beer. Until recently there was supposed to still be a cider house in Bridgewater. According to what I was told in the 1960s there would be an annual routine for cider houses to apply for beer licences, these applications would be just as routinely refused. In those days a licence was granted in response to a local need and licensing magistrates were easily convinced there was no need to extend licenses, especially if the landlord of the pub with a full license half a mile away opposed the extension on the grounds that his pub already sold beer! So a transfer of a licence to sell spirits to another premises did not mean that the transferring premises ceased to sell beer, wines and cider. Ian. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11/09/2012 10:38, Ian Wallace wrote: > A bit before my time there had also been cider houses which could sell cider but not beer. And we still have a cider house (no beer or spirits sold) just a few miles down the road from us in Malvern! Ian

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:17:05 -0600 Celia S Summers <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Celia, >will ask my cousin for a copy of the page before their entry on the 1841 >census to see if it give more clues. I had a look myself. The previous 'residence' was noted as Dunster Castle Stables. Both residents there were recorded as M.S. That is, Male Servant(s). So, not much help there. :-( -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'll be the rubbish you'll be the bin Love Song - The Damned

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:51:11 -0600 Celia S Summers <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Celia, >Please, was there a hospital or place for the sick in Dunster Castle in >1841? If not Dunster Castle, what institution in Dunster could one be >an inmate of? As much as I dislike citing Wikipedia as a source, there are references to Dunster Castle being open to the public at that time, but falling into decline. Quite what an "inmate" would be doing there, I can't even hazard a guess. There are book references on that page that might be worth looking at for further clues. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Life's short, don't make a mess of it No Time To Be 21 - The Adverts

Thank you Edna for the great links. It has all been very helpful and interesting. As a side note, I am tempted to buy a workhouse book, I saw a few advertised on one link. I have a few ancestors in the workhouse, but from Warwickshire & Shropshire. Thank you Brad for the information about Dunster Castle becoming public. I think they must have been some kind of visitors for health reasons. I will ask my cousin for a copy of the page before their entry on the 1841 census to see if it give more clues. I really enjoy the history and tips from this list. Thanks again, Celia USA On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:42:19 -0400 "liverpud" <[email protected]> writes: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunster_Castle > (;-)) > > Edna - Ottawa ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/504f728b886a5728b4da6st03vuc

Dr. Fox is mentioned in the article... http://www.brislington.org/history.html Edna - Ottawa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunster_Castle (;-)) Edna - Ottawa

Includes the Dunster area: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Williton/ (;-)) Edna - Ottawa

I am not sure if this is relevant, but remember that there are different types of licence for different beverages and opening hours. In Wales in the 1960s there were still premises with no spirit licence, so they could sell beer, wines and cider but not spirits. A bit before my time there had also been cider houses which could sell cider but not beer. Until recently there was supposed to still be a cider house in Bridgewater. According to what I was told in the 1960s there would be an annual routine for cider houses to apply for beer licences, these applications would be just as routinely refused. In those days a licence was granted in response to a local need and licensing magistrates were easily convinced there was no need to extend licenses, especially if the landlord of the pub with a full license half a mile away opposed the extension on the grounds that his pub already sold beer! So a transfer of a licence to sell spirits to another premises did not mean that the transferring premises ceased to sell beer, wines and cider. Ian.