On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:08:26 +0100, Mike Gould <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for that. Good point. I know that I had scarlet fever when I > was a youngster, and so had I been born a century earlier, I probably > would not be here now, if you see what I mean :-) Hi Mike and Listers, Scarlet fever reminded me of scarlatina. The latter was a word that I heard in my childhood. Whether I had scarlatina or whether someone else we knew had it I'm not sure and there's no one left to ask. I have a little snippet about scarlatina, which may be of interest to anyone looking at diseases in the Bristol area in the 19th century. Between the years 1861-1870, scarlatina was the cause of 2,180 deaths in the registration districts of Bristol and Clifton. Josephine

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:37:49 +0100, bernice pegler <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for that information Dave. I'll be at The Open Day on Saturday so > will get that one as I can see it will be very handy. Hi Bernice, Better get there early in case the new Apprentices CDs sell like hot cakes :-) I've been looking at the information for the Bristol & Avon Family History Society Open Day 2012 http://www.bafhs.org.uk/component/content/article/32-news/280-baafhs-open-day-2012 I'm sure that there will be lots of interesting resources on the various stalls! I see that new and second-hand books plus postcards are mentioned. You know how I love to look at all three! :-) There's a reference to maps, too. I bought some Cassini Historical Maps of Bristol & Bath at a previous FHS Open Day and often refer to them. Josephine

Thanks for that information Dave. I'll be at The Open Day on Saturday so will get that one as I can see it will be very handy. Bernice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Napier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:28 AM Subject: [B&S] New BAFHS Apprentices CD > Hi all > > > > It has been confirmed that there will be copies of the new B&AFHS CD > available at their Open Day on Saturday 15th September. > > > > Transcriptions & Index of the Bristol Apprentice Books vol 1(o) to 1(z) > 1724 > - 2009 > > > > It will also be available for purchase online and by mail order from that > date. > > > > Regards > > > > Dave Napier > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Keith, Thanks for that. Good point. I know that I had scarlet fever when I was a youngster, and so had I been born a century earlier, I probably would not be here now, if you see what I mean :-) Best wishes, Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Cranney Sent: 12 September 2012 20:44 To: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [B&S] Website request for infectious disease outbreaks in UK over history Mike / all Infectious disease should also include outbreaks of Chicken Pox - Scarlet Fever - Diptheria all of which affected areas here within the Uk all were treated very differently in the past than they are today with the intervention of modern medicine and antibiotics. Best Wishes Keith On 10 Sep 2012, at 15:03, "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks to Helen, Tony and Edna for their information about infectious > diseases. From links provided, it appears that there was not a national > epidemic as such, but as Tony has said, TB or Consumption was endemic in the > population until the arrival of penicillin. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Gould > Sent: 10 September 2012 09:59 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [B&S] Website request for infectious disease outbreaks in UK over > history > > Hi Listers, > > Can someone please let me know of a website that lists the years in which > there were outbreaks of infectious diseases in the UK over time. It's been > posted on the list before, but I can't seem to find it. > > George GOULD died in Litton in 1857 of "Scrofula" (TB). He was only 24 > years old and a shoemaker by trade. I was wondering whether this was an > isolated case, or part of a local outbreak, or a national one ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:28:39 +0100, Dave Napier <[email protected]> wrote: > It has been confirmed that there will be copies of the new B&AFHS CD > available at their Open Day on Saturday 15th September. > Transcriptions & Index of the Bristol Apprentice Books vol 1(o) to 1(z) > 1724 - 2009 Hi Dave, Thanks for letting us know about the new B & A FHS Bristol Apprentice Books CD. I've just had a look at the information about it on http://www.bafhs.org.uk/bafhs-shop/cdroms and it looks like this CD will be very interesting and useful. As there are approximately 24,000 entries on the CD, I expect that some of my family members will be included. Josephine

Hi all It has been confirmed that there will be copies of the new B&AFHS CD available at their Open Day on Saturday 15th September. Transcriptions & Index of the Bristol Apprentice Books vol 1(o) to 1(z) 1724 - 2009 It will also be available for purchase online and by mail order from that date. Regards Dave Napier

Hi Listers, Yesterday I mentioned Deborah BRIGHT who was living at Mount Hill at the time of the 1851 Oldland censuses. Looking at Bolton's Map of the Environs of Clifton and Bristol, which is on my web site at http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com/bristolbits/bristol/bolton.htm I've noticed that 'Mounthill' is marked between Kingswood Hill and Hanham on the right-hand side of the map. I see that the 'Cotton Works', which were along the Feeder Canal in Bristol, are also marked. Deborah Bright's daughter, Harriet, who married James STONE on 11th. January 1846 at Bitton was a factory girl living at Kingswood at the time of her marriage. I've been wondering if she worked in the Great Western Cotton Works as I've been looking at the occupations of the brides at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood and I've noticed some of these occupations were associated with cotton, such as cotton-winder, cotton weaver and 'works at cotton factory'. Living in Kingswood and working in the Cotton Works would have meant a long walk downhill into Bristol and a long walk uphill back home. Of course, there may have been other factories much nearer Mount Hill where Harriet could have worked. Josephine

Hi Mike I'm not sure if this will be of benefit but have you tried http://bristolslostpubs.eu/index.html It gives a history of Landlords for each Pub. I've found it good for the Bath Pubs but probably doesn't give the detail you're looking for. Regards Tony E > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:11:43 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about spirit licenses? I've found a note >> written by my gr-gr-grandfather saying that the spirit license of his >> pub The >> Pilgrim was to be transferred to the Waverley in Lawrence Hill in March >> 1911.

Yes, thanks for adding that one too Roy, I use that one a lot for all sorts of things! A great site. I can’t believe how many records Ancestry is adding every day, it’s almost like it’s a race against other websites to see who has the most records loaded! The day they have added all the parish registers so that we can read page by page through them ourselves from wherever in the world we are will be wonderful! We are so starved of access to parish registers here in Christchurch! The FHL has been closed now for 2 years! So any new resources are a big bonus. Amanda From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Downloadable Bristol family history indexes From: "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> > A friend just alerted me to a resource I was unaware of on the > Familysearch web site, where there are lots of old books of interest to > genealogists which are freely downloadable. Apologies if you already know about > this. > > Go to https://familysearch.org/#form=books > > Click on the green button "Family History books" > Key `Bristol´ for search term and see what you get - 7,248 > results! Even better try the parish name you are looking for. If you then click on > DETAILS it tells you more about each on, or click on the image and it will > load up into a viewer from which you can save to hard drive. > I downloaded the parish register for St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey > last night! Of course you are just lucky if your parish is there.> Another brilliant site for finding books on genealogy and family history is the Internet Archive. This is an enormous site containing all kinds of media and something like 150 BILLION (yup, that's right) archived pages. The URL is: http://archive.org Select "Texts" in the main menu and enter "Bristol England" and you will get 370 hits (not all relevant to family history, of course). Enter "Gloucestershire Parish Registers" and you get 12 hits, while "Somerset Parish Registers" gives you 11. Many of these are volumes of Phillimore marriages. You can either read the books online (and they are searchable) or download them in a number of different formats including PDF. Entering "Bristol England" and selecting All Media produces some fascinating-sounding radio broadcasts and podcasts, including an audiobook of John Latimer's Sixteenth Century Bristol. And don't forget Google Books, either! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Tony, I've been in touch with the chap who runs the site - he's been very helpful. I gave him the photo of The Pilgrim which appears on there. best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Tony Evans Sent: 12 September 2012 21:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Spirit Licenses Hi Mike I'm not sure if this will be of benefit but have you tried http://bristolslostpubs.eu/index.html It gives a history of Landlords for each Pub. I've found it good for the Bath Pubs but probably doesn't give the detail you're looking for. Regards Tony E > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:11:43 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Does anyone know anything about spirit licenses? I've found a note >> written by my gr-gr-grandfather saying that the spirit license of his >> pub The >> Pilgrim was to be transferred to the Waverley in Lawrence Hill in March >> 1911. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List A friend just alerted me to a resource I was unaware of on the Familysearch web site, where there are lots of old books of interest to genealogists which are freely downloadable. Apologies if you already know about this. Go to https://familysearch.org/#form=books Click on the green button “Family History books” Key ‘Bristol’ for search term and see what you get – 7,248 results! Even better try the parish name you are looking for. If you then click on DETAILS it tells you more about each on, or click on the image and it will load up into a viewer from which you can save to hard drive. I downloaded the parish register for St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey last night! Of course you are just lucky if your parish is there. Here’s a few Bristol titles: The Annals of Bristol in the Seventeenth Century The Defendant’s fist many blows did strike: The Rev John Usher of Bristol, RI, vs Capt Simeon Potter of Bristol , RI 1761 (what on earth is that about?!) Chilcott’s Descriptive History of Bristol.... Transactions of the Bristol Archeological Society (several) Notes or abstracts of the wills contained in the volume entitle the great orphan book of wills in the council house of Bristol The parish registers of Marshfield Gloucester have fun searching! Amanda NZ

Thanks Josephine, all suggestions gratefully received. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Josephine Jeremiah Sent: 12 September 2012 07:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [B&S] Spirit Licenses On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:11:43 +0100, Mike Matthews <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know anything about spirit licenses? I've found a note > written by my gr-gr-grandfather saying that the spirit license of his > pub The > Pilgrim was to be transferred to the Waverley in Lawrence Hill in March > 1911. Hi Mike and Listers, I can't add anything about spirit licenses, but it crossed my mind that pub proprietors might belong to Bristol's Licensed Victualler's Association whose address in 1911 was Baldwin Chambers, 58 Baldwin Street. Albert E. BLAKE was secretary, then. Looking at the Waverley in 1911, I see that it was called the Waverley Spirit Vaults. Walter Hy JAY was the proprietor before Frank CURTIS. Strangely enough, I was looking into a JAY family of Hanham, yesterday. Josephine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike / all Infectious disease should also include outbreaks of Chicken Pox - Scarlet Fever - Diptheria all of which affected areas here within the Uk all were treated very differently in the past than they are today with the intervention of modern medicine and antibiotics. Best Wishes Keith On 10 Sep 2012, at 15:03, "Mike Gould" <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks to Helen, Tony and Edna for their information about infectious > diseases. From links provided, it appears that there was not a national > epidemic as such, but as Tony has said, TB or Consumption was endemic in the > population until the arrival of penicillin. > > Best wishes, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Gould > Sent: 10 September 2012 09:59 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [B&S] Website request for infectious disease outbreaks in UK over > history > > Hi Listers, > > Can someone please let me know of a website that lists the years in which > there were outbreaks of infectious diseases in the UK over time. It's been > posted on the list before, but I can't seem to find it. > > George GOULD died in Litton in 1857 of "Scrofula" (TB). He was only 24 > years old and a shoemaker by trade. I was wondering whether this was an > isolated case, or part of a local outbreak, or a national one ? > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, Yesterday, I was looking at Dinah FRY, the daughter of James and Betty, who was baptized on 8th. September 1793 at Hanham, GLS. Dinah was three years old when she was baptized. A possible marriage for James and Betty could be that of bachelor, James FRY, and spinster, Betty COOL, who were married on 4th. September 1791 at Bitton, GLS. Both were of the parish. It looks like three-year-old Dinah, who was baptized in 1793, may have arrived before the marriage of her parents. After finding the marriage of James FRY and Betty COOL, I started looking for the baptism of Betty COOL. There are three baptisms for girls called Betty COOL in Hanham, which could be possible matches. These Hanham baptisms took place in 1761, 1766 and 1770. I'm ot sure which it was because, as we know, children weren't always babies when they were baptized. A clue could be the burial of Betty FRY, aged 90, on 26th. July 1853 at Christchurch, Hanham, GLS. Abode was Hanham. This burial can be found inthe South Gloucestershire Burial Index: http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burial-data/burial-index/catalog?search=Fry The trouble with burials, though, is that ages given at burial aren't always accurate, especially if the person was very old. If the age of 90 was right and this Betty FRY was born Betty COOL, then she would have been born c. 1763. However, I still don't know which Betty was the one who married James FRY in 1791. There is a thread, which includes the Hanham baptisms for Betty COOL, on rootschat. Here it is: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,324954.0.html Does anyone have a link with Betty COOL, please? Josephine

I have recently found several documents relating to my CATER family (Stapleton area) which are in Latin; I can pick out names but little else. One is a Chancery Court document possibly dating from the early 1700's and which may hold the key to the relationship between my CATER ancestors and the WYATT merchant family who bequeathed them land and money. Is there anyone on the list who would be prepared to have a look at these documents and give a rough transcription please? thanks, Marion

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:28:51 +0100, Marion <[email protected]> wrote: > I have also found a map showing the location of Windmill Hill at the > Bitton > Families site http://www.bittonfamilies.com/Kingswood.html Comparing > with > modern maps it looks to be the area which now houses the cinema/bowling > complex at Longwell Green. Hi Marion, Thanks very much for this reference. That's an excellent page on the Bitton Families site because not only does it point to Windmill Hill on the map in A. Braine's 'The History of Kingswood Forest', which I've just taken off my bookshelf, but it also has a picture of Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood, where six children of William and Deborah BRIGHT were baptized in 1832. Josephine

From: "Amanda Kerby" <[email protected]> > A friend just alerted me to a resource I was unaware of on the > Familysearch web site, where there are lots of old books of interest to > genealogists which are freely downloadable. Apologies if you already know about > this. > > Go to https://familysearch.org/#form=books > > Click on the green button "Family History books" > Key `Bristol´ for search term and see what you get - 7,248 > results! Even better try the parish name you are looking for. If you then click on > DETAILS it tells you more about each on, or click on the image and it will > load up into a viewer from which you can save to hard drive. > I downloaded the parish register for St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey > last night! Of course you are just lucky if your parish is there.> Another brilliant site for finding books on genealogy and family history is the Internet Archive. This is an enormous site containing all kinds of media and something like 150 BILLION (yup, that's right) archived pages. The URL is: http://archive.org Select "Texts" in the main menu and enter "Bristol England" and you will get 370 hits (not all relevant to family history, of course). Enter "Gloucestershire Parish Registers" and you get 12 hits, while "Somerset Parish Registers" gives you 11. Many of these are volumes of Phillimore marriages. You can either read the books online (and they are searchable) or download them in a number of different formats including PDF. Entering "Bristol England" and selecting All Media produces some fascinating-sounding radio broadcasts and podcasts, including an audiobook of John Latimer's Sixteenth Century Bristol. And don't forget Google Books, either! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> > Hi Josephine > I have also found a map showing the location of Windmill Hill at the Bitton Families site http://www.bittonfamilies.com/Kingswood.html Comparing with modern maps it looks to be the area which now houses the cinema/bowling complex at Longwell Green. Marion > > > Hi Marion, > > Thanks for this sighting and for the Windmill Hill abode. I haven't looked > in The South Glos Burial Index yet for JAY, but you could well be right > with JOY being a misspelling of JAY as I have seen JOY in other resources > in which I have been looking and wondered if the name should be JAY. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 10:57:02 +0100, Marion <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Josephine > > The South Glos Burial Index > http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burial-data/burial-index/catalog?letter=j&start=1000 > records > the burial of a Mary Ann JOY* (sic), aged 10, at Windmill Hill, > Kingswood > in 1832. I wondered if this may be a mis-transcribed relative of your > Deborah JAY Hi Marion, Thanks for this sighting and for the Windmill Hill abode. I haven't looked in The South Glos Burial Index yet for JAY, but you could well be right with JOY being a misspelling of JAY as I have seen JOY in other resources in which I have been looking and wondered if the name should be JAY. Josephine

Hi Josephine The South Glos Burial Index http://www.bafhs.org.uk/burial-data/burial-index/catalog?letter=j&start=1000 records the burial of a Mary Ann JOY* (sic), aged 10, at Windmill Hill, Kingswood in 1832. I wondered if this may be a mis-transcribed relative of your Deborah JAY Marion > Hi Jan, > > Thank very much for this information plus the household members. > > I can now see that the William BRIGHT, aged 56, who was buried on 12th. > November 1837 at Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood, GLS, could be a possible > husband for Deborah BRIGHT of the 1841 and 1851 censuses. > > William's abode was recorded as Windmill Hill, at his burial, whereas > Deborah was living at Mount Hill in 1841 and 1851. > > The abode given at the 1832 BRIGHT baptisms for children of this couple at > Holy Trinity Church, Kingswood was Mount Hill, too, but I suppose the > family have moved between 1832 and 1841 and then moved back again, though > I don't know of a Windmill Hill in the vicinity of Kingswood/Oldland. > > All food for thought, anyway, so thanks again for this 1841 look up > especially as it gives a number of the couple's children still living at > home. > > Josephine > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >